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Mirime Nolwe
APOCALYPSE LEGION
Posted - 2009.05.27 17:08:00 - [271]
 

Iīm a 5 months old player, relatively new since i dont play more then 2 hours a day and sadly i cant Play all days of the week, so, in knowledge iīm not a EVE guru, although i enjoy a lot reading the forum and the some guides that people write.

I also enjoy giving my feedback and then reading what others think about it. One important thing is to know how to accept how the others are, enjoy, behave, etc etc And sadly that quality its not present in Akita huge Ego. Iím really sorry to say this but you are just a arrogant fool that think the divine explanation of all things have been handed to you.

You just need to accept that people are all different from each other, so what I like to do in this game might not be the same that you like, is it wrong? You pointed that X ou Y expansion have been a failure because YOU didnít like it, so what about the other people? Is this a single player game that need to be shaped into personal taste?
Get real and stop the personal vendetta against the players that enjoy staying in highsec doing missions, they get good isk without high risk? So what? They do missions, get isk and most of them spend that in better modules, ships to do what? Missions. Others support their PvP losses with mission profit with an alt, others others others others others. Each one do what they want, isnít this sandbox game?

I really donít understand why some players want to force the others to do PvP, why? It donít make any sense at all. Just enjoy that way you like to play the game and leave the others play the way they want.

I do missions, I do enjoy it. I do plan to start my pvp ďcareerĒ soon but if I want to stay in Highsec doing missions and getting ISK that way no one should force me to go into Lowsec to do them.

Its funny to see that most of people whining about it are 2/3/4 years old players that can earn ISK the way they want, how do a new player do it? Industry? How many months do a player need to be earn some money in that career? But.. if I do focus in Industry how can I do pvp? With mining lasers? If lvl4 mission profit goes down a lot how can ďnewĒ people support their pvp losses? Wait.. Donít tell me, my Corp support my losses!

But if some people want to get a way first to support themselves without others help? Isnt missions a good way to do it at start?

To be honest, I know its useless to say anything, forum arguments are like that anyway, each one thinks they are the voice of reason.

Here it is, another mission noob view of the game. Flame at will. And sorry about my English.

Ms Delerium
Posted - 2009.05.27 17:09:00 - [272]
 

Edited by: Ms Delerium on 27/05/2009 17:09:12
I propose, rename the game to : EVE - The Raven Simulator

as everyone and his dog is flying a Raven out there...

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.05.27 17:47:00 - [273]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 27/05/2009 17:52:48
Originally by: Mirime Nolwe
You pointed that X ou Y expansion have been a failure

Nope, haven't. I pointed out the massive waste of developer time made while working on those expansions.
Wastes of time due to features worked on and dropped, features broken, half-finished, or just lacking the proper balance, all leading to a severe underuse (at best).
Wastes of time, because that dev time could have been much better spent on improving existing things or properly finishing less features or whatnot.
Sure, not ALL dev time was wasted on any PARTICULAR expansion, and SOME of the "wastes of time" could have never been avoided (you can't ask the people from art to write missions, nor the mission-writers to debug code, etc) but overall, there always were major discrepancies between some stuff that mattered and was given little or no attention, while some weak content was given loads of attention.

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Get real and stop the personal vendetta against the players that enjoy staying in highsec

What vendetta ? Me stating that people in lowsec should EARN MORE than those in highsec and that those in 0.0 should earn more than those in lowsec is suddendly a vendetta against highsec players ?

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I really don’t understand why some players want to force the others to do PvP, why?

Who does ? I don't. I merely point out the fact PVP is something people usually lose ISK on, so if areas in which PVP goes on are NOT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE REWARDING than those where PVP seldom happens, a minority of people will ever go there.

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It don’t make any sense at all.

Sure, when you have no clue what people are talking about and you read only what you want to understand, it obviously makes no sense as a whole, it can't possibly make sense.

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Just enjoy that way you like to play the game and leave the others play the way they want.

Everybody is free and has the right to play the game any freaking way they see fit.
What people should NEVER be free to do nor should they ever have the right to is to earn a lot of ISK taking practically zero risks, when somebody who takes significant risks only earns a bit more.
The overall income level should rise FASTER than the risk level, so that people are ENCOURAGED to want to take more risks.

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I do missions, I do enjoy it. I do plan to start my pvp “career” soon but if I want to stay in Highsec doing missions and getting ISK that way no one should force me to go into Lowsec to do them.

Nobody will force you to do anything.
But if I get "my way", if you CHOOSE to go to lowsec or 0.0, you will earn far more there than you earn now in highsec.
Not just a little bit more, but FAR more.
So much more, that after you gather the courage to get there, you will wonder why did you ever hesitate to leave highsec in the first place.

Xaen
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.05.27 18:00:00 - [274]
 

Wow, you've nearly reached the point of frustration I was at about a year ago.

But it's all pointless. CCP is always going to do whatever they want and to hell with the players. I complained incessantly about the UI for about 3 years before I gave up.

It seemed so strange to me. Every other MMO out there has a strong modding community and the UIs are vastly better as a result. So why was EVE so different? Why did it alone seem to disallow one of the greatest features an MMO could have?

Two things that mattered seemed unique to me:
  1. EVE isn't beholden to a publisher. So things that would affect the entire player base don't necessarily get the attention they should. Little bugs, UI problems and balance issues languish forever because no developer likes fixing bugs instead of doing new, fun stuff. I know this because I am a developer. I get paid for it & everything.
  2. The client uses python. I'm kinda speculating here, but I know that most other modern MMOs use LUA for the UI and C++ for the game itself. EVE seems to use some mixture of python and C++ on the client side. The /LUA:OFF flag notwithstanding, I think the client isn't easily moddable. But this needs to change if EVE is to survive.

I guess EVE will just continue to languish as it currently is with a player base that is increasing barely faster than the world population growth, but much, much, slower than the growth of the number of the world's EVE-capable personal computers.

Now Akita, you could continue your eloquent, articulate, and bitter posts about the things that I are wrong like I used to, or you could give up like I since have. I'm still training skills on the off chance that I might want to play again someday, and having new toys I can play with will help, but I haven't seriously logged in for fun in weeks. I may eventually quit and stop caring, because CCP obviously doesn't care about the things I care about. They're perfectly entitled to do so, just as I'm perfectly entiteled to stop paying them and stop playing.

Or you could throw in the towel and go play something else instead. I've gone with Warhammer Online. It's all about PvP including drops from players, experience from players, and more pvp levels than PvE ones. Additionally, it has near instant PvP action instead of the blue balls that are typical of many EVE ops. So send me an EVE mail if you'd like a free trial account mailed to you. Just include a working email address. Mythic will actually reward recruiting new players with stuff that will make you level or travel faster if you recruit enough people (four and six accounts respectively)! So unlike EVE, I have a real incentive for this aside from it being a fun game.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.05.27 18:20:00 - [275]
 

Originally by: Xaen
Now Akita, you could continue your eloquent, articulate, and bitter posts about the things that I are wrong like I used to, or you could give up like I since have. I'm still training skills on the off chance that I might want to play again someday, and having new toys I can play with will help, but I haven't seriously logged in for fun in weeks. I may eventually quit and stop caring, because CCP obviously doesn't care about the things I care about. They're perfectly entitled to do so, just as I'm perfectly entiteled to stop paying them and stop playing.

I'm still enjoying the forum PVP (even if it sometimes starts feeling like slamming my head against a brick wall).
The market shenanigans are a nice touch (bonus points for cashing in on CCP's inadequacies once spotted, additional bonus points on cashing in on the backs of the people calling me clueless).
And then there's (still) some of the old gang (granted, the numbers are dwindling, but more due to RL issues like an expanding family or longer work hours rather than EVE's shortcomings).

I'm not ready to give up on EVE just yet... but I'm slowly getting there, if things continue on the same path.
With a bit of luck (or the exact opposite), I might run out of spare RL time before I run out of patience with EVE.

insidion
Caldari
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.27 18:45:00 - [276]
 

There is nothing wrong with mission running in empire. It is a necessary evil that needs to be available for EVERYONE. When I have no other alternatives, I return to empire to mission run to get back on my feet.

People who whine about risk vs reward always crack me up. To them, jumping a mission fit noob with ten of their friends is somehow 'risk'. There is nothing wrong with piracy. Blobbing and ganking are just ways of life in EVE, and the fact that you've scared all the fish away is your own fault. =)

The problems really are:
1. Between empire carebears and 'ebul pirates' BOTH sides are right and have valid points. Don't try to force your playstyle on someone else and don't get ****y just because they don't want to be your victim. There are PLENTY of targets out there on all fronts, and there's PLENTY of ways to make ISK.

2. PVP and PVE is too dissimilar and don't play well with each other. A PVE fit ship is fit quite differently than a PVP ship and while they are often tricked out nightmares or some such, they don't stand a chance when they get jumped in mission.

3. Pirates have all the tools they need. Wardecs, lowsec, nosec, suicide ganking, probing, etc. They're there for you to use, it's up to you to use them. Having run out of targets in lowsec, I've given up my pirating ways for a while now and returned to empire having fun doing merc work, mission running and empire wardecs. Adapt or die, same as anything or anyone else.

4. Low sec needs a BIG boost, and preferrably something unique, and something that doesn't just attract noobs/industrial alts galore. This was why FW was introduced in the format that it's in I guess, which is ok, but not really what PVPers are ultimately looking for.

5. Null sec needs some serious fixing. Titans, super blobbing, sovereignty, etc. Lots of mechanics that have improved, don't get me wrong, but 0.0 just ain't fun to me anymore and lowsec is even more boring. As Akita T mentioned, things have to be profitable and preferrably not a complete pain in the ass to do in order to attract more people out beyond empire, and it can EASILY be done without interferring with anyone's playstyle.

tl;dr version is that there's no need to be crying for nerfs, you should be crying for boosts and a little more instant gratification from CCP. Boost lowsec rewards, make null sec more fun again (it was once upon a time, I swear), give people a reason to leave empire and everyone will be happier for it.

EVE is turning more and more into a second job rather than 'fun', and that's frankly gotta change.

Har Donmon
LB's Hole Mongers
Posted - 2009.05.27 19:54:00 - [277]
 

Akita I think it is time you chilled out and maybe went outside for a while. Instead, its painfully obvious you just sit in your little corner of the world mashing your browser's refresh button hoping there is something to continue QQ'ing about.

Whether or not your points are valid, all you come off as is a pre-teen whiner with a strong command of the English language. Grats.

Terak Rorkai
Posted - 2009.05.27 20:53:00 - [278]
 

Originally by: Har Donmon
Akita I think it is time you chilled out and maybe went outside for a while. Instead, its painfully obvious you just sit in your little corner of the world mashing your browser's refresh button hoping there is something to continue QQ'ing about.

Whether or not your points are valid, all you come off as is a pre-teen whiner with a strong command of the English language. Grats.


All I can say is lol did u actually intend to be taken seriously if all u do is attack him and can't even come up with valid counter points.
Akita is trying to get ccp's attention to some very valid point so either be constructive about ur replys or simply don't bother making them since in the end u will just be proving ur own points but about urselves.

Biggest change from ccp I would like to see is between proper feed-back from them and granting access to modders since the best example of such actions come in the form of world of warcraft, biggest mmorpg out there and it's still growing oh and the funniest thing is a lot of new stuff they stick in it comes from add-ons people have made 4 it.

If I get a reply to this post I expect some might be haters of wow and to them I reply wow's number 1! 4 a reason except it or bash it's ur choice but they r obviously doing something right.

THE L0CK
Posted - 2009.05.27 20:59:00 - [279]
 

Edited by: THE L0CK on 27/05/2009 20:59:41
Originally by: Terak Rorkai
Originally by: Har Donmon
Akita I think it is time you chilled out and maybe went outside for a while. Instead, its painfully obvious you just sit in your little corner of the world mashing your browser's refresh button hoping there is something to continue QQ'ing about.

Whether or not your points are valid, all you come off as is a pre-teen whiner with a strong command of the English language. Grats.


All I can say is lol did u actually intend to be taken seriously if all u do is attack him and can't even come up with valid counter points.
Akita is trying to get ccp's attention to some very valid point so either be constructive about ur replys or simply don't bother making them since in the end u will just be proving ur own points but about urselves.

Biggest change from ccp I would like to see is between proper feed-back from them and granting access to modders since the best example of such actions come in the form of world of warcraft, biggest mmorpg out there and it's still growing oh and the funniest thing is a lot of new stuff they stick in it comes from add-ons people have made 4 it.

If I get a reply to this post I expect some might be haters of wow and to them I reply wow's number 1! 4 a reason except it or bash it's ur choice but they r obviously doing something right.


Telling the Developers they waste time making new content doesn't seem to be very forthcoming me thinks. Now had he worded it differently and placed in a few 'It is of my personal opinion' and not state them as facts then maybe they would be a little more valid. Unless of course he's not telling us that he is not only a customer but the CEO then it would be more fact. If that were the case though I would think he would want to keep the attitude more in the office and off the boards.

Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.05.27 21:11:00 - [280]
 

Edited by: Earthan on 27/05/2009 21:12:17
Folks nobody is saying that staying in high sec is bad and nobody wants to force anybody to pvp .

Its just the balance of risk/reward should be balanced.Low sec should bemuch more profitable then high sec , 0.0 then low sec. And this i mean for individual everyday solo/small group pilot activites , not including moon mining.

You want to paly all time in high sec? Great but you shoudl earn much less then in 0.0.Like we speculated maybe cutting rewards of level 4 high sec by 25 -30 % .Its still decent isk.

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.05.27 21:16:00 - [281]
 

i dont get missioners.
i mean there are loads of better single player games out there eve IS PVP everything should be towards this fact

baltec1
Posted - 2009.05.27 21:21:00 - [282]
 

I loved my time in FW and only left because 0.0 called. Equaly I like playing around in wormholes and as far as I can tell, the in game economy is working better than the real oneugh

You want wasted developer time? Try the NGE. I bought the Mustifar expansion only to have that chunk of bile pushed onto me. 2 years of work all gone with one ****ty expansion. Your realy have no reason to be complaining.

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.05.27 21:51:00 - [283]
 

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Get real and stop the personal vendetta against the players that enjoy staying in highsec doing missions, they get good isk without high risk? So what? They do missions, get isk and most of them spend that in better modules, ships to do what? Missions. Others support their PvP losses with mission profit with an alt, others others others others others. Each one do what they want, isnít this sandbox game?


Did you even read the OP?

EVE is a multiplayer game. Being able to farm assloads of ISK with no risk means that there's absolutely no incentive to put yourself at risk. It makes the game two-dimensional; you farm ISK in hisec, then either run more missions or spend the ISK on stuff to go pewpew with in lowsec/0.0.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.05.28 05:26:00 - [284]
 

Originally by: THE L0CK
Telling the Developers they waste time making new content doesn't seem to be very forthcoming me thinks.

So... wait... you're trying to tell me that the developers that worked on T3 are HAPPY about the low adoption rates of T3 ? That those that did work on T3 HAVEN'T repeatedly said they are dissapointed how their work is so underused ?
Or, are you trying to tell me the guys that worked on the storefronts are happy instead of dissapointed the whole feature was entirely dropped ? Or that the guys that helped code alchemy reactions are so pleased with the results it caused ?
Give me a break...

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Now had he worded it differently and placed in a few 'It is of my personal opinion' and not state them as facts then maybe they would be a little more valid.

They ARE facts. The fact that they're also my opinions is of secondary importance.
In order to deny the issues presented as being factual, you'd really have to wear some heavy prescription tunnel-vision glasses.
I don't feel the need to "sugar-coat" what I am saying, sugar-coating and asking politely doesn't seem to have any effect with CCP whatsoever, the only recourse is wide-spread public outrage.

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Unless of course he's not telling us that he is not only a customer but the CEO then it would be more fact. If that were the case though I would think he would want to keep the attitude more in the office and off the boards.

Oh, so the FACTS themselves are completely irrelevant, it's the PERSON that posts them and the MANNER in which they are posted that makes them true or false ?
Gah... moron tolerance exceeded, release safety pressure valves, she's gonna' blow Evil or Very Mad

Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2009.05.28 19:25:00 - [285]
 

Originally by: Akita T
And no, I wouldn't want to work for CCP, it's obvious they have plenty of people with good ideas, yet somebody somewhere is frakin' up the priorities and details of it all.
So, no, I would no longer want to work for CCP even if they made me a personal offer. I used to, once upon a time, but that was almost two years ago. Now, hell, no way.
That is, unless I see a change in the way they resolve things. Unlikely, but you never know.
And you expect anybody (probably a dev) to believe this? Rolling Eyes
Yeah, right.. tell me about it.

I have to agree with Durzel. You might point out some real issues, but those aren't very hard to spot in the first place.
However the self-opinionated and one-sided presentation plus the obstinate way of insisting on your solutions makes it near impossible to even start a constructive dialogue.
Actually it seems you don't want to talk about ideas and solution anyway.
You just want everybody agreeing with you, right?
Well, good luck.

Iyhi Baal
Gallente
Blue Republic
Posted - 2009.05.29 02:29:00 - [286]
 

Originally by: Earthan
Edited by: Earthan on 27/05/2009 21:12:17
Folks nobody is saying that staying in high sec is bad and nobody wants to force anybody to pvp .

Its just the balance of risk/reward should be balanced.Low sec should bemuch more profitable then high sec , 0.0 then low sec. And this i mean for individual everyday solo/small group pilot activites , not including moon mining.

You want to paly all time in high sec? Great but you shoudl earn much less then in 0.0.Like we speculated maybe cutting rewards of level 4 high sec by 25 -30 % .Its still decent isk.


See this is where you are wrong. Mission are properly balanced with respect to risk and reward. No one running missions will ever build an empire or challenge the status quo. Mission are a diversion for ppl that lack time or will or skill or know how to undertake more profitable enterprise. Missions are the perfect place for the noob, the pilot alt from his/her alliance duties, the person that does not want to break out the spreadsheet /pad of paper to do industry or trade. And lets be clear I am not saying this to attack any pilots because from time to time I fall in each of those categories, occasionally all at the same time.

Also, low sec is far more profitable than empire. You can not separate moon mining from low sec and then say there is nothing to be done there. Low sec is the perfect place for the fledging industrial corp to make enough isk to move to the next step. Even solo there is tons of isk to be made in low sec (done it ! Cool )but as the saying goes "many hand makes light work" and EVE rewards organizational skills.

More directly, to the point of AT's OP, the various things that have been added to EVE in the numerous patches have been a boon for those that have had the mind to take advantage of them.

WH space! Spot on! A place where the clever corp/alliance can control access, gather resources and grow without bumping heads with the established alliances -- brilliant!

The Rorqual/Orca -- my two favorite purposed ships in the game. Instantly solving the volume/hauling problem faced by miners and manufactures while at the same time introducing new buffs for miner.

My point is not to refute every issue that you have against the current incarnation of EVE. My point is that EVE is a MMO; one that rewards team work and cleverness. Your focus on individual isk/hour is somewhat near-sighted in the mechanics of success. If you can't compete against the actions of individuals perhaps you should enlist the aid of your friends and use the tools that CCP has put out there. It is not that hard to beat the paltry earnings of those that play the individual game. Fact is, all of the actions of the herd(again not to disparage) do not challenge or threaten the status quo and that is where the game begins. You need to raise the level of your play. I play to upset the apple cart, you should too!

Over all, I am very happy with the direction that EVE is taking and the course that CCP has charted. I am looking forward to the coming changes and especially ambulation.

Jobby
Minmatar
PURPLE.
Posted - 2009.05.29 02:31:00 - [287]
 

Originally by: Durzel
Don't you ever get tired of posting grandstanding threads like this?


Presumably not.

xavier01
Posted - 2009.05.29 08:57:00 - [288]
 

There's a lot to do in Eve... just have to search it out. Eve has a rather small/niche playerbase and not a lot of development staff - compare it to the playerbase of WoW (and no, i'm not a wow player), and you get an idea of just how much staffing/dev work can be done with millions of players contributing $$ versus just 200k players. Personally, I think the game is done pretty darned well for what they have to work with.

If someone doesn't like the way a game is set up, the world (rl) is free enough for you to create a NEW game...... from scratch. Just don't forget to include the ridiculously-complex math algs, rendering engines, the tens of thousands of layered image maps, the multi-channel network-I/O stream processing, the tons of 3-d models, physics-constraint defs, gigantic dbms systems with SAN support and dbms-backup systems, and OH my favorite... the complex player-run market that rivals the NYSE and WalMart's inventory-mgt system, all the while having to contend with everyone screaming for updates, patches, upgrades, etc. My suggestion to you... work from the planetary level upward. And don't forget to include the universe before the project is finished Wink

jamaican herbs
Posted - 2009.05.30 01:33:00 - [289]
 

Edited by: jamaican herbs on 30/05/2009 01:35:25

Originally by: Iyhi Baal
Originally by: Earthan
Edited by: Earthan on 27/05/2009 21:12:17
Folks nobody is saying that staying in high sec is bad and nobody wants to force anybody to pvp .

Its just the balance of risk/reward should be balanced.Low sec should bemuch more profitable then high sec , 0.0 then low sec. And this i mean for individual everyday solo/small group pilot activites , not including moon mining.

You want to paly all time in high sec? Great but you shoudl earn much less then in 0.0.Like we speculated maybe cutting rewards of level 4 high sec by 25 -30 % .Its still decent isk.


Originally by: Iyhi Baal
See this is where you are wrong. Mission are properly balanced with respect to risk and reward. No one running missions will ever build an empire or challenge the status quo.


Well he's not completely wrong, prolly from solo player point of view. I've ratted, mined and done exploration (even WH's) in 0.0 and it's not just worth the time, the income is just too unstable and sometimes it's too risky compared to highsec missions.

I lived in 0.0 with my alliance and defended the "precious" space. But it made me wonder why should i really defend the space? I can do highsec missions in complete safety with the same income. And with the isk I only want to pvp. In my case no point going in 0.0, except roaming pvp. Also I bet most of ppl in 0.0 wont get anything from the moon mining industry, the isk goes for "the greater good"

Originally by: Iyhi Baal
More directly, to the point of AT's OP, the various things that have been added to EVE in the numerous patches have been a boon for those that have had the mind to take advantage of them.

WH space! Spot on! A place where the clever corp/alliance can control access, gather resources and grow without bumping heads with the established alliances -- brilliant!


YAY! WH space has the same problem as 0.0 space: the income is unstable and/or too low for the risk/logistics involved, compared to lvl 4's. Aside for the funfactor of pvp, I'd have no reason to go there


Originally by: Iyhi Baal
My point is not to refute every issue that you have against the current incarnation of EVE. My point is that EVE is a MMO; one that rewards team work and cleverness. Your focus on individual isk/hour is somewhat near-sighted in the mechanics of success.


I agree, EVE is all about teamwork, especially pvp part. But the risk/reward isnt balanced when 20 ppl doing huge corp/alliance effort into going WH plexing/0.0 ratting/0.0 mining and realize they would have made the same amount of isk, all doing lvl 4's individually, safely, with no extra hassle

dbx
Posted - 2009.05.30 02:23:00 - [290]
 

I'll say it again, The Entire current game needs to be scrapped. Eve 2 should be in the works on a brand new engine, etc. Forget Ambulation.

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2009.05.30 02:25:00 - [291]
 

Originally by: dbx
I'll say it again, The Entire current game needs to be scrapped. Eve 2 should be in the works on a brand new engine, etc. Forget Ambulation.
The development of a "new" Eve would be a ****storm of inconceivable proportion given what we know about CCP.Cool

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.05.30 02:32:00 - [292]
 

Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 30/05/2009 02:33:05
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: THE L0CK
Telling the Developers they waste time making new content doesn't seem to be very forthcoming me thinks.

So... wait... you're trying to tell me that the developers that worked on T3 are HAPPY about the low adoption rates of T3 ? That those that did work on T3 HAVEN'T repeatedly said they are dissapointed how their work is so underused ?
Or, are you trying to tell me the guys that worked on the storefronts are happy instead of dissapointed the whole feature was entirely dropped ? Or that the guys that helped code alchemy reactions are so pleased with the results it caused ?
Give me a break...

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Now had he worded it differently and placed in a few 'It is of my personal opinion' and not state them as facts then maybe they would be a little more valid.

They ARE facts. The fact that they're also my opinions is of secondary importance.
In order to deny the issues presented as being factual, you'd really have to wear some heavy prescription tunnel-vision glasses.
I don't feel the need to "sugar-coat" what I am saying, sugar-coating and asking politely doesn't seem to have any effect with CCP whatsoever, the only recourse is wide-spread public outrage.

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Unless of course he's not telling us that he is not only a customer but the CEO then it would be more fact. If that were the case though I would think he would want to keep the attitude more in the office and off the boards.

Oh, so the FACTS themselves are completely irrelevant, it's the PERSON that posts them and the MANNER in which they are posted that makes them true or false ?
Gah... moron tolerance exceeded, release safety pressure valves, she's gonna' blow Evil or Very Mad



I haven't seen any links to said facts. I have seen a lot of opinion though

Preda Ellalle
Posted - 2009.05.30 05:08:00 - [293]
 

Akita, would you have my internet-baby? It'll have tentacles, an afro and will only be capable of speaking in meme's.

Soporo
Caldari
Posted - 2009.05.30 06:11:00 - [294]
 

Friggin nerf-herders. Instead of whining about lvl 4's in Empire (despite them getting a regular and repeated nerfing) you should be lobbying about boosting LowSuck instead.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.05.30 12:23:00 - [295]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
I haven't seen any links to said facts. I have seen a lot of opinion though

The ones where CCP employees that worked on T3-related things basically saying (in "very polite and cautious speak") they hate how low the adoption rates are and that they're dissapointed with the way it turned out ? Or which ones ?

Originally by: Soporo
Friggin nerf-herders. Instead of whining about lvl 4's in Empire (despite them getting a regular and repeated nerfing) you should be lobbying about boosting LowSuck instead.

I would prefer a heavy boost of lowsec (and a bit of a 0.0 boost too) and no empire changes myself. Ihave said so repeatedly in this very same thread.
But a mild empire mission-running income level nerf combined with a moderate lowsec boost (and mild 0.0 boost) would work too.
Barring that, the only remaining option would be a significant highsec mission-running income level nerf.
Either one works just fine by me.

Hariya
Posted - 2009.05.30 16:36:00 - [296]
 

Originally by: dbx
I'll say it again, The Entire current game needs to be scrapped. Eve 2 should be in the works on a brand new engine, etc. Forget Ambulation.


The engine is fine. What we'd need is content that people would consider worthwhile. Myself I am waiting eagerly for Jumpgate Evolution Laughing

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.05.31 00:54:00 - [297]
 

JGE is just arcade in space, it doesn't even begin to compete with EVE.
The content in EVE right now is almost fine, it just needs a couple of nudges here and there in the "reward amounts" category.

Adeline Grey
Posted - 2009.05.31 02:29:00 - [298]
 

Originally by: Durzel
Don't you ever get tired of posting grandstanding threads like this?


It is actually threads like these that get Eve changed for the better. CCP has good intentions, they just need a lot of pushing and proding to get them to go into the right direction.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.05.31 09:36:00 - [299]
 

...which needs to be done with a cattle prod some times.
Wink

Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
Posted - 2009.05.31 14:18:00 - [300]
 

Originally by: Akita T
...which needs to be done with a cattle prod some times.
Wink



Just posting to stay I am continually amazed by your stamina when it comes to fighting the good fight, Akita. I do hope more and more people are listening to you, as your arguments on where CCP could improve are by far more often right on the mark than not.


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