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Kasi Kasai
Posted - 2009.05.23 19:14:00 - [31]
 

Covetor barge 4 prereq, Supported

Kiri Serrensun
Posted - 2009.05.23 22:19:00 - [32]
 

As I understand it, the level 5's in the Covetor requirements are because it was once the ultimate mining ship, before exhumers arrived and then became much cheaper.

As someone who can fly a Covetor, supporting lowering Mining Barge (or indeed, Astrogeology) requirements to 4.

Valkyrie Aeris
Amarr
Industry Of Death
Posted - 2009.05.23 22:27:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Kiri Serrensun
As I understand it, the level 5's in the Covetor requirements are because it was once the ultimate mining ship, before exhumers arrived and then became much cheaper.

As someone who can fly a Covetor, supporting lowering Mining Barge (or indeed, Astrogeology) requirements to 4.


There need to be maintained a certain balance, lowering the astrogeology skill as well would be to much, you would then skip the retriever for the favoring of Covertor, by just lowering the mining barge skill requirement to IV you maintain a balance and you even the curve in the different ship upgrades in a miners career.


Kiri Serrensun
Posted - 2009.05.23 22:37:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Valkyrie Aeris

There need to be maintained a certain balance, lowering the astrogeology skill as well would be to much, you would then skip the retriever for the favoring of Covertor, by just lowering the mining barge skill requirement to IV you maintain a balance and you even the curve in the different ship upgrades in a miners career.


That's why I said "or Astrogeology". Not both--a miner would still use the Retriever for a month or so while waiting for the level 4 skill to reach 5.

Valkyrie Aeris
Amarr
Industry Of Death
Posted - 2009.05.23 22:42:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Valkyrie Aeris on 23/05/2009 22:42:57
Originally by: Kiri Serrensun
Originally by: Valkyrie Aeris

There need to be maintained a certain balance, lowering the astrogeology skill as well would be to much, you would then skip the retriever for the favoring of Covertor, by just lowering the mining barge skill requirement to IV you maintain a balance and you even the curve in the different ship upgrades in a miners career.


That's why I said "or Astrogeology". Not both--a miner would still use the Retriever for a month or so while waiting for the level 4 skill to reach 5.


judging on what implants and the learning skills, astrogeology takes about 2 weeks or more. the change would be to low in my opinion.

Mining barge from 4-5 takes abit over 3 weeks, thus changing that requirement down to 4 would create a sufficient gap between the Covetor and the hulk wich should provide a proper buffer between them and not bring any further unbalance issues in the mining barge fleet.

It's what atleast i think is the most logical solution :)

AtheistOfDoom
Amarr
Invicta.
Posted - 2009.05.24 02:54:00 - [36]
 

I always did wonder why it required 5. supported.

Hexor V
Galactic Terran Command

Posted - 2009.05.24 04:10:00 - [37]
 


Arrador
Posted - 2009.05.24 11:57:00 - [38]
 

/signed

Please lower Covetor Skill requirements!

Clansworth
Good Rock Materials
Posted - 2009.05.24 12:29:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: AtheistOfDoom
I always did wonder why it required 5. supported.
Well, there once was a time when There were no Exhumers... Coveter was the top mining ship, and had a requirement of V to reflect that. At least they didn't mirror the I, III, V progression of the barges onto the exhumers...

Imertu Solientai
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.24 13:36:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Imertu Solientai on 24/05/2009 13:36:23
Supporting this - The levels should be as follows:

Mining barge
1 - first tier mining barge
2 - retriever
3 - coveter
4 - NA
5 - NA

Exhumers
1 - first tier T2 barge
2 - second tier T2 barge
3 - Hulk
4 - NA
5 - NA

Karnoz
Posted - 2009.05.25 10:13:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Imertu Solientai
Edited by: Imertu Solientai on 24/05/2009 13:36:23
Supporting this - The levels should be as follows:

Mining barge
1 - first tier mining barge
2 - retriever
3 - coveter
4 - NA
5 - NA

Exhumers
1 - first tier T2 barge
2 - second tier T2 barge
3 - Hulk
4 - NA
5 - NA


This whole thread is about balancing the fleet, make a proper suggestion that doesn't unbalance the fleet even more than what it already is, i like your setup there, but there is one problem that just makes it all to easy for new beginners or old players moving into mining career and thats the fact that you've set the covetor one level to low making it unbalanced.
There need to be a certain buffer between the retriver and the covetor at the same time we provide a proper buffer between the covetor and the hulk.

I suggest it like this:

Mining barge
1 - first tier mining barge
2 - retriever
3 - NA
4 - coveter
5 - NA

Exhumers
1 - first tier T2 barge
2 - second tier T2 barge
3 - Hulk
4 - NA
5 - NA

Then we don't ask of to much and it remains a proper buffer that will bring a proper balance to the mining barge flotilla and doesn't make it to easy nor to hard, it's just perfect ;)

Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2009.05.25 10:35:00 - [42]
 

i support system suggested above

Molock Saronen
Posted - 2009.05.25 11:56:00 - [43]
 


Builder AlphaOne
Posted - 2009.05.25 15:14:00 - [44]
 

full support to reducing the skill requirement for a Covetor in order to make them, once again, a viable stop along the career path.

[Ingame since beta testing -- I remember mining in a Vexor because I couldn't afford a battleship yet.]

***
Related issue -- named T1 mining lasers [meta level 3, etc.] are approximately useless, even on an Osprey. There are way too many T2s at far too low a price in the game.

Smile

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Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies

Posted - 2009.05.25 19:09:00 - [45]
 


Senyru Suru
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies

Posted - 2009.05.25 19:51:00 - [46]
 

/signed
As a newbie player like you describe, i've not long had my Retriever and i'm much enjoying it - but i've started the learning parth towards the Covertor, because i assumed the progression curve was balanced and that it'd be a good stepping stone to the Hulk. Now I've read this, i'm switching my plan to go straight for Hulk.
i should have run the numbers i guess, but even so, i'd have been disapointed to have handed over the cash for a Covetor and then discover how little was required to get the Hulk.

Eltei
Posted - 2009.05.26 10:45:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Senyru Suru
/signed
As a newbie player like you describe, i've not long had my Retriever and i'm much enjoying it - but i've started the learning parth towards the Covertor, because i assumed the progression curve was balanced and that it'd be a good stepping stone to the Hulk. Now I've read this, i'm switching my plan to go straight for Hulk.
i should have run the numbers i guess, but even so, i'd have been disapointed to have handed over the cash for a Covetor and then discover how little was required to get the Hulk.


Yeah, as the system is now there is no point in spending money on the Covetor as you can spend those instead of the Exhumer skill and go for a hulk instead which is superior to the Covetor in all ways due to its way more stronger defensive abilities, cargohold and mining yield.

Thats why we now whine to have the Covetor fixed to make it once again usefull and a valid upgrade from the retriever.

Corey Feldman
Posted - 2009.05.26 14:10:00 - [48]
 


Israfil Azrael
Posted - 2009.05.27 08:03:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Senyru Suru
/signed
As a newbie player like you describe, i've not long had my Retriever and i'm much enjoying it - but i've started the learning parth towards the Covertor, because i assumed the progression curve was balanced and that it'd be a good stepping stone to the Hulk. Now I've read this, i'm switching my plan to go straight for Hulk.
i should have run the numbers i guess, but even so, i'd have been disapointed to have handed over the cash for a Covetor and then discover how little was required to get the Hulk.


This is what needs to be changed here, the covetor needs to be there before people go for the hulk

Eltei
Posted - 2009.06.03 10:41:00 - [50]
 


Reithan
Sick Tight
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2009.06.06 18:51:00 - [51]
 

Support

Stella SGP
The Kimotoro Initiative
Posted - 2009.06.06 22:49:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Stella SGP on 06/06/2009 22:52:11

Jin Labarre
Posted - 2009.06.07 02:21:00 - [53]
 

I'd prefer it to stay at Mining Barge 5, but instead of Astrogeology 5 it should be Astrogeology 4.
However, eventually CCP will do whatever they want anyway. So whether or not it ends up being MB4 or AG4, does not truly shiver the timbers that much. It has to be either one of the two and any change is better than no change.

Hence, supported.

Kav08
Posted - 2009.06.14 02:34:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Kav08 on 14/06/2009 02:35:17
Yep, i agree with OP.

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2009.06.14 11:43:00 - [55]
 

agree. now if only we could think of something that would redeem procurer...

Photon Ceray
Posted - 2009.06.14 12:51:00 - [56]
 

signed.

but keep in mind you need to give the retriever a small advantage still, cba think of one.

Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2009.06.14 13:30:00 - [57]
 

signed

Inari Valar
Posted - 2009.06.14 15:08:00 - [58]
 

I agree

Kralin Ignatov
Gallente
Macabre Votum
Posted - 2009.06.14 18:24:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Kasi Kasai
Covetor barge 4 prereq, Supported
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this

Micrihael Smith
Caldari
Eve Engineering Logistics
Posted - 2009.06.27 11:13:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Aeryn Eden
I fully support this.
it shouldn't thou be posted as a suggestion but rather an issue as the progression bar of the mining path in eve is currently to broken compared to all the other paths a new character would prefer to take.

Even older characters who wishes to skill in the industrial section and go for mining would benefit immensely by this as it would bring balance to the miners.


Are you saying miners are an unballanced lot?Very Happy Nah, you're probably right, and right again sayng this desperately need fixing. The hop from skill L1 (smallest barge) to L3 (middle barge) is fair, imho, but on account of the sheer time involved, and their relative merits, dragging yourself to L5 for the Biggest barge is out of order.
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