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Eddie Vermin
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.05.21 08:36:00 - [1]
 

Just an inquiry who likes or dislikes that mission area can be invaded by pirates.
Most mission runners depend on loot bounty and salvage and rewards to make isk. Even in empire you loose all this as well as the mission objective that gets held for ransom, that is if your not in low sec then it's your ship or pod then the mission objective. Don't bash me I'd like to hear form both sides of the issue.

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2009.05.21 08:40:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 21/05/2009 08:43:20
Originally by: Eddie Vermin
Most mission runners depend on loot bounty and salvage and rewards to make isk.

Okay, rely on it to do what? Whatever it is, it isn't so important that you should be entitled to risk-free ISK, and missions are definitely risk-free if you do them in high sec.
edit: or they would be risk-free if they were made into PvE-only zones.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.05.21 08:43:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 21/05/2009 08:43:26

Oh my gosh, how can anybody even conceive of any sort of PVPish activities in a PVEish environment ?!?

Here's two radical "solutions" :

1. Get out of the mission hubs and start missioning in the less crowded systems, so you will almost never see any "invaders" in your mission.

2. Ask for the right to shoot anybody in sight. For all intents and purposes, mission deadspaces become 0.0 space and anybody can kill everybody else without interference inside.


Dracorimus
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.05.21 08:49:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Eddie Vermin
Just an inquiry who likes or dislikes that mission area can be invaded by pirates.
Most mission runners depend on loot bounty and salvage and rewards to make isk. Even in empire you loose all this as well as the mission objective that gets held for ransom, that is if your not in low sec then it's your ship or pod then the mission objective. Don't bash me I'd like to hear form both sides of the issue.


Its the old Risk VS Reward, you risk your ship in low sec for the rewards of the missions, simple as that, dont like it, dont come to low sec, or if you do, dont whine when we kill you.

Wilja Anrick
Caldari
XIII Interstellar Legion
Posted - 2009.05.21 09:00:00 - [5]
 

Running for your life,
Deadspace; no haven from scum,
Space is dangerous.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.05.21 09:06:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Dracorimus
Originally by: Eddie Vermin
Just an inquiry who likes or dislikes that mission area can be invaded by pirates.
Most mission runners depend on loot bounty and salvage and rewards to make isk. Even in empire you loose all this as well as the mission objective that gets held for ransom, that is if your not in low sec then it's your ship or pod then the mission objective. Don't bash me I'd like to hear form both sides of the issue.


Its the old Risk VS Reward, you risk your ship in low sec for the rewards of the missions, simple as that, dont like it, dont come to low sec, or if you do, dont whine when we kill you.


Thats entirely the reason they won't come to low sec, its not even an "if we kill you" its a "When we kill you"

Eddie Vermin
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.05.21 09:14:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Eddie Vermin on 21/05/2009 09:17:49
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 21/05/2009 08:43:20
Okay, rely on it to do what? Whatever it is, it isn't so important that you should be entitled to risk-free ISK, and missions are definitely risk-free if you do them in high sec.
edit: or they would be risk-free if they were made into PvE-only zones.


4 or five ships against a mission runner makes them entitled to risk-free isk. And they are not risk-free in high sec, the same happens there except for loosing your ship if you choose not to aggress after they take your loot. So again why should they be entitled to free isk.
I'll answer for you, Just because they can do it, right?

It is fun to evade mission runner invaders and adds some excitement, but to be able to take everything and being made so easy to do is the issue. And as you said risk-free, face it, must be hard to spend so much time ganking for profit =]

Neamus
Posted - 2009.05.21 09:15:00 - [8]
 

Join a 0.0 alliance and leave empire behind. Null sec deadspace plexing is your friend, its far more profitable and actually safer most of the time than high sec mission running.

If you really cant live without your missions, then yes, there are mission agents deep in 0.0, their missions are also far more profitable than empire or low sec.

I find it difficult to understand why so many are obsessed with high sec vs low sec mission running when life is so much better in 0.0.

I mean really, what isnt there to like? Join a good alliance and you get hugely profitable ratting, mission running, deadspace plexing, mining, an active 0.0 market, moon mining etc etc. PvP on tap when ever you feel like it, and nice peaceful space to carebear in when you don't.

If there is any trouble incoming you usually hear about it long before it arrives. Long enough that you either have time to dock / SS or go get a PvP ship to join the fun.

Living in empire longer than you have to is like living in a public toilet because you like the smell of stale urine.

Eddie Vermin
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.05.21 09:26:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Neamus
Join a 0.0 alliance and leave empire behind. Null sec deadspace plexing is your friend, its far more profitable and actually safer most of the time than high sec mission running.

If you really cant live without your missions, then yes, there are mission agents deep in 0.0, their missions are also far more profitable than empire or low sec.

I find it difficult to understand why so many are obsessed with high sec vs low sec mission running when life is so much better in 0.0.

I mean really, what isnt there to like? Join a good alliance and you get hugely profitable ratting, mission running, deadspace plexing, mining, an active 0.0 market, moon mining etc etc. PvP on tap when ever you feel like it, and nice peaceful space to carebear in when you don't.

If there is any trouble incoming you usually hear about it long before it arrives. Long enough that you either have time to dock / SS or go get a PvP ship to join the fun.

Living in empire longer than you have to is like living in a public toilet because you like the smell of stale urine.


lol good suggestion, not my first toon tho. I would like to get back to 0.0 but can't find a corp there that I like and the ones that I do are too busy thinking I'm a spy. Right now my friends are in empire and a long way to getting to null space but I urge them. As for the smell I agree but I thinks it's not urine.

Shade Millith
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.05.21 09:28:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Eddie Vermin
4 or five ships against a mission runner makes them entitled to risk-free isk.


Mission rats are not ships, they are glorified peeshooters in the shape of a space ship.

Reven Cordelle
Caldari
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2009.05.21 09:31:00 - [11]
 

Yes. People can find you regardless of security, which means they can steal whatever you haven't bolted down.

The solution is to train up for a barge and mine Veldspar like everyone else in High Sec.

ISK for nothing and no risk whatsoever.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.21 09:33:00 - [12]
 

In over 5 years, I've only once had my mission 'invaded' and that was in a busy Caldari mission hub in which I only remained for one day, normally I'm in systems with <10 people in local to run my missions.

Promptly started shooting my wrecks until the salvage thief left.

If people just do one or both of the above then it there won't be any salvage stealing. But nooooo, people prefer to be silly whiny sheep that huddle up together, because the Navy is the only corp you can run missions for, eh?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.05.21 09:35:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Eddie Vermin
4 or five ships against a mission runner makes them entitled to risk-free isk.
By very definition of "risk-free ISK", you're not entitled to it.
Quote:
And they are not risk-free in high sec, the same happens there except for loosing your ship if you choose not to aggress
…so in other words, they are entirely risk-free.

killerco
Gallente
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.05.21 09:37:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Dracorimus
Its the old Risk VS Reward, you risk your ship in low sec for the rewards of the missions, simple as that, dont like it, dont come to low sec, or if you do, dont whine when we kill you.
Draco is right, i've been doing missions for a long time in eve, both in low sec and high sec and its all about the reward versus the risk. Hell i've been killed several times but thats eve Very Happy

Neamus
Posted - 2009.05.21 09:38:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Eddie Vermin
Originally by: Neamus
Join a 0.0 alliance and leave empire behind. Null sec deadspace plexing is your friend, its far more profitable and actually safer most of the time than high sec mission running.

If you really cant live without your missions, then yes, there are mission agents deep in 0.0, their missions are also far more profitable than empire or low sec.

I find it difficult to understand why so many are obsessed with high sec vs low sec mission running when life is so much better in 0.0.

I mean really, what isnt there to like? Join a good alliance and you get hugely profitable ratting, mission running, deadspace plexing, mining, an active 0.0 market, moon mining etc etc. PvP on tap when ever you feel like it, and nice peaceful space to carebear in when you don't.

If there is any trouble incoming you usually hear about it long before it arrives. Long enough that you either have time to dock / SS or go get a PvP ship to join the fun.

Living in empire longer than you have to is like living in a public toilet because you like the smell of stale urine.


lol good suggestion, not my first toon tho. I would like to get back to 0.0 but can't find a corp there that I like and the ones that I do are too busy thinking I'm a spy. Right now my friends are in empire and a long way to getting to null space but I urge them. As for the smell I agree but I thinks it's not urine.


Ahem... Wink

Raukho
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2009.05.21 09:48:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 21/05/2009 08:43:20
Originally by: Eddie Vermin
Most mission runners depend on loot bounty and salvage and rewards to make isk.

Okay, rely on it to do what? Whatever it is, it isn't so important that you should be entitled to risk-free ISK, and missions are definitely risk-free if you do them in high sec.
edit: or they would be risk-free if they were made into PvE-only zones.


Ninja salvaging is risk free to also the only point where I agree with above poster. Ninja salvaging should flag just as wreck steeling. Wheter to respond how to respond and if it's the smart thing to do is a different story.

Jastra
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.21 09:56:00 - [17]
 

omg...welcome to 2006

Quote:
"Don't bash me I'd like to hear form both sides of the issue."


then follow advice from the bazillion previous comments on posts like this and dont mission in a mission hub..... or if you do, accept some miniscule risk and that an occasional mission will get raided... legitimate gaming tactic...


Br Errman
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2009.05.21 10:00:00 - [18]
 

I have run missions in both high- and low-sec space; I've been jumped three times in lowsec and had an attempt made in highsec...but I got away Wink .

Through these experiences, and perusing these forums, I've learned what I ought to do, and what equipment I ought to fit, to improve my odds in evading pirates.

Note to self: trash the warp core stabilizers. The penalties far outweigh the benefits, even on a hauler.

As to your OP: I don't mind as long as I win.

Eddie Vermin
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.05.21 10:01:00 - [19]
 

The smell is getting thick.

So as I am getting it so far, it is not right for mission runners to get risk-free isk but it is for Prats to get it risk-free. Not that I would ever want to see it happen but I would love to see the posts if CCP stopped mission intrusion all together

Would you guys whine even louder if mission runners had a way to lower scanning them down by 50% with skills so your risk-free isk has to be worked for?

And they have not been able to do it for 5 years. And busy mission hubs are where the isk is why do you think the Prats are there? As for the huddling sheep, those are the ones that won't get together and deal with it as well as the mission runners that read this thread and don't give a response fearing getting flamed or made a target and that's commical.

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2009.05.21 10:03:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Shadowsword on 21/05/2009 10:03:39
Originally by: Raukho

Ninja salvaging is risk free to also the only point where I agree with above poster. Ninja salvaging should flag just as wreck steeling. Wheter to respond how to respond and if it's the smart thing to do is a different story.


Salvaging may be safe, but it's a low-reward activity anyway. It generally happen in caldari/gallente space, where most wrecks are serpentis/guristas ones, and their salvage is almost worthless. Might as well mine veldspar, more profitable and you can do it semi-afk...

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.05.21 10:03:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 21/05/2009 10:05:46
Originally by: Raukho
Ninja salvaging is risk free to also the only point where I agree with above poster. Ninja salvaging should flag just as wreck steeling.
So you're basically saying that running missions should flag you?

As for being flagged for salvaging, why? It makes roughly no sense at all.
Originally by: Eddie Vermin
So as I am getting it so far, it is not right for mission runners to get risk-free isk but it is for Prats to get it risk-free.
You keep banging on about this risk-free ISK the mission invaders are supposed to get, but you haven't exactly explained what it is or where it comes from. So could you care to elaborate?

Eddie Vermin
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.05.21 10:04:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Br Errman
I have run missions in both high- and low-sec space; I've been jumped three times in lowsec and had an attempt made in highsec...but I got away Wink .

Through these experiences, and perusing these forums, I've learned what I ought to do, and what equipment I ought to fit, to improve my odds in evading pirates.

Note to self: trash the warp core stabilizers. The penalties far outweigh the benefits, even on a hauler.

As to your OP: I don't mind as long as I win.


Thanks for that.
I only mind when 3 HACs and a couple of assualt ships take you and they call it PvP..... lol

Eddie Vermin
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.05.21 10:08:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Jastra
omg...welcome to 2006

Quote:
"Don't bash me I'd like to hear form both sides of the issue."


then follow advice from the bazillion previous comments on posts like this and dont mission in a mission hub..... or if you do, accept some miniscule risk and that an occasional mission will get raided... legitimate gaming tactic...




Hey it's all good advice and I'm hearing it. Some of it is very one sided tho but what should you expect.

Thanks

fatherted1989
Red Horizon Inc
Posted - 2009.05.21 10:11:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Shadowsword
Edited by: Shadowsword on 21/05/2009 10:03:39
Originally by: Raukho

Ninja salvaging is risk free to also the only point where I agree with above poster. Ninja salvaging should flag just as wreck steeling. Wheter to respond how to respond and if it's the smart thing to do is a different story.


Salvaging may be safe, but it's a low-reward activity anyway. It generally happen in caldari/gallente space, where most wrecks are serpentis/guristas ones, and their salvage is almost worthless. Might as well mine veldspar, more profitable and you can do it semi-afk...


...lol?

salvaging a decent lvl2+ can bring in far more isk than the mission rewards+bounties alone.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.05.21 10:12:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
In over 5 years, I've only once had my mission 'invaded' and that was in a busy Caldari mission hub in which I only remained for one day, normally I'm in systems with <10 people in local to run my missions.

Promptly started shooting my wrecks until the salvage thief left.

If people just do one or both of the above then it there won't be any salvage stealing. But nooooo, people prefer to be silly whiny sheep that huddle up together, because the Navy is the only corp you can run missions for, eh?


Shocked Wow you've changed...

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.05.21 10:14:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: fatherted1989
salvaging a decent lvl2+ can bring in far more isk than the mission rewards+bounties alone.
That tells you more about the rewards and bounties of L2s than about the value of salvaging…

Br Errman
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2009.05.21 10:15:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Eddie Vermin
Thanks for that.
I only mind when 3 HACs and a couple of assualt ships take you and they call it PvP..... lol


That is PvP, just not challenging when it's 5+ to 1 odds. Thankfully, I was jumped by one player each time (though I did lose 3 of 4 times).

Eddie Vermin
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.05.21 10:18:00 - [28]
 

quote]You keep banging on about this risk-free ISK the mission invaders are supposed to get, but you haven't exactly explained what it is or where it comes from. So could you care to elaborate?


Do you think that they just fly in for fun. They take your loot, salvage and take the mission objective if there is one and hold it for ransom, as well as your ship or pod if it is a low sec mission or the same in high sec if your stupid enough to attack 4 or 5 Prats that easily out gun you. There is no risk for them that's why they do it. If there was a risk they would not be there, and if there was no isk involved they would not bother. elaborated? Smile

Mish'Kala
Minmatar
Between the lines
RAID Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.21 10:21:00 - [29]
 

I used to run mission on another toon. I may run them again on this toon at some point. Scanning down a mission runner isnt hard, but it does require some work on tha part of the scanner.

If they steel your lewts, shoot them. Or you can come cry about it on the boards and no one will care

If the salvage wrecks in the mission space, tough, salvage isnt salvage until its in a cargo hold. before that its a wreck. it belongs to no one.

During 8 months of missioning i was invaded a total of 3 times. Once cost me the mission cos i wasnt equipped to deal with the guy who flipped my mission loot can. instead i said nothing left and turned in the mission, big whoop.
dont mission in the mission hubs. find a lower quality agent in the quieter systems and live a happy peaceful life.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.05.21 10:23:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 21/05/2009 10:23:43
Originally by: Eddie Vermin
They take your loot,
Not risk free.
Quote:
salvage
Free-for-all.
Quote:
take the mission objective
No guaranteed ISK.
Quote:
as well as your ship or pod if it is a low sec mission
Not risk free.

The difference is that, unlike most mission runners, they accept low risk as an acceptable one — that is not the same as "risk free."

So I would still like to know where this "risk free ISK" is?


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