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Forge Trader
Posted - 2009.05.19 17:53:00 - [1]
 

What equipment and tactics give the solo miner the best shot to survive while mining nullsec?

Where to base? What ships to use? How to equip them?

(I have a second account, and a covops in that account).

Like most players, I will not go anywhere in Eve I cannot reliably protect my ships with a combination of preparation, skills, tactics,and attention.

For example, has anyone mined nullsec with a covetor w/cloak? (makes it into basically a cloaked retriever).

Thanks in advance for any ideas.


Adziy
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.19 18:11:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Adziy on 19/05/2009 18:13:01
If money is no object, go for this
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Rorqual
With some good guns (that'll depend on you're skill really) -remember to leave space for the mining lasers - and a Drone bay full of good fighter drones, like ogre 2s, but that'll take some time to learn the skills for. Just the drone would stop most ships. 300m3 of drones is alot.

Do you want to tank mine, or just get stuff and get out of there. If you are to tank, get a load of guns and one mining laser. That should keep you sorted. If you just want to do it quickly, do the reverse, and a load of mining lasers. Either way, get some shield boosters. They always help.

If money is an object, then you should probably get someone to help you, mabey join a corp.

There isnt really another way about it other than a massive ship. If people see you in a massive ship, they'll be less temped to attack you.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2009.05.19 18:20:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Adziy
There isnt really another way about it other than a massive ship. If people see you in a massive ship, they'll be less temped to attack you.
Wouldn't every pirate in EVE sell their souls (again) for a Rorqual kill?

Forge Trader
Posted - 2009.05.19 18:38:00 - [4]
 

It may be there is no way to mine solo in nullsec. So be it.

Compare solo mining in wormholes. It is possible to ninja mine with controllable risk: you are adjacent to a hisec system; have a natural safe spot (a wh you discovered into hisec); can watch w/combat probe or scanner for the approach of combat probes; no star map means pirates have difficulty finding you; if you are in an exploration site, they must launch probes, like anyone else; wh mechanics severely limits the mobility of aggressors, etc.

So, absent these mechanics, nullsec is and may remain basically empty.

Nevertheless, would make a try at playing the game in nullsec, but only if I can reliably protect my ships with good skills and tactics.

Do not quite understand how a Rorqual isn't just a big. slow target.

What about my idea of a cloaked covetor? Maybe watched by a covops monitoring other visitors to the system?


Adziy
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.19 18:45:00 - [5]
 


Wouldn't every pirate in EVE sell their souls (again) for a Rorqual kill?

True, but getting killed by one just takes the ****

Adziy
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.19 18:47:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Forge Trader

Do not quite understand how a Rorqual isn't just a big. slow target.

What about my idea of a cloaked covetor? Maybe watched by a covops monitoring other visitors to the system?




1st. Yes the Rorqual is a big slow target, it's just what I would use
2nd. If you can find a ship that will cloak you long enough for you to get a full load of ore, go on then. It'd be hard to stop you

Ikserak tai
Posted - 2009.05.19 19:05:00 - [7]
 

You can solo mine in nullsec. But not for very much or for very long. You'll go nuts looking over your shoulder every 5 seconds, and warping to a safespot and cloaking every time local changes.

If I really had to do it, I'd embed a main and an alt 5-6 jumps into a null-sec region, making the run right after downtime or when you are sure no pilots are in the system you're aiming for by checking the "pilots in space" on your map.

One character would have the mining ship, the other would have an industrial/gaterunner.

Log onto the mining character, mine up a shipful if you're lucky, and travel to a safespot and jettison your ore. Logoff. Logon to your alt, who is in the safespot, and transfer the ore from the jetcan to the industrial. Logoff.

Wait until the coast is clear, or just after downtime, and make your run in the industrial to wherever you can dock and secure the ore. Make the run back if you can/dare.

You can then make the assessment if all that effort is worth it.

Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
Posted - 2009.05.19 20:05:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Ikserak tai
You can solo mine in nullsec. But not for very much or for very long. You'll go nuts looking over your shoulder every 5 seconds, and warping to a safespot and cloaking every time local changes.

If I really had to do it, I'd embed a main and an alt 5-6 jumps into a null-sec region, making the run right after downtime or when you are sure no pilots are in the system you're aiming for by checking the "pilots in space" on your map.

One character would have the mining ship, the other would have an industrial/gaterunner.

Log onto the mining character, mine up a shipful if you're lucky, and travel to a safespot and jettison your ore. Logoff. Logon to your alt, who is in the safespot, and transfer the ore from the jetcan to the industrial. Logoff.

Wait until the coast is clear, or just after downtime, and make your run in the industrial to wherever you can dock and secure the ore. Make the run back if you can/dare.

You can then make the assessment if all that effort is worth it.



Well said :)


Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2009.05.19 21:22:00 - [9]
 

Quote:

Like most players, I will not go anywhere in Eve I cannot reliably protect my ships



Stay in high sec then, because you can't reliably protect your ships there, figures in low or 0.0 sec.


Quote:

If money is no object, go for this
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Rorqual
With some good guns (that'll depend on you're skill really) -remember to leave space for the mining lasers - and a Drone bay full of good fighter drones, like ogre 2s, but that'll take some time to learn the skills for. Just the drone would stop most ships. 300m3 of drones is alot.



There's a reason why Rorquals are rarely seen on the field: they are honey for caps killers, everyone including my corp *really* wants those killmails.


Quote:

What about my idea of a cloaked covetor? Maybe watched by a covops monitoring other visitors to the system?



They make for fun killmails, when we do 0.0 roaming gangs those who feel they are safe on that stuff are harshly brought down to reality.

Hint: it takes almost as long to find and tackle you than for you to warp off. Just be distracted some seconds (and mining is good at that) and you are done.


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You can then make the assessment if all that effort is worth it.



Been there, done that. It's only worth if:

- you are in an main holder corporation controlling an alliance space
- you are authorized and left to mine the few ABC roids systems.
- you have the logistics. This is listed last just by random chance, not because it's less important.

Else, just stay in high sec and suck it up.

Tandin
The Knights Templar
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.05.19 21:23:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Ikserak tai
You can solo mine in nullsec. But not for very much or for very long. You'll go nuts looking over your shoulder every 5 seconds, and warping to a safespot and cloaking every time local changes.



People, people, people.. You can easily solo mine in 0.0 with no problems if you do the following:

1) Find a dead end system that isn't claimed by alliance sov
2) Set up a POS with a corp hangar
3) keep local up and open to watch constantly
4) If someone enters system, warp to the POS immediately.
(Systems with long warps from the gate to the belts are best)

You will need a hulk or mining laser combat ship with a tank fit (0.0 rats can be kinda nasty for anything less).

Examples of combat ships that will work with mining lasers: BS, BC, HAC, or HIC. Preferably shield tankers to spam the lows with mining laser upgrades and cargo expanders.

You'll also need a hauler character on a second account for maximum profit although you could ferry back and forth in a combat ship or hulk.

Once you get the ore stashed in your corp hangar, you'll need a rorq (preferably to squish it) or JF to jump it back to empire to sell.

Forge Trader
Posted - 2009.05.19 23:00:00 - [11]
 

Ok, two different approaches to give it a try. Its a good start.

Thanks

Illectroculus Defined
No Bull Ships
Posted - 2009.05.21 19:31:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Illectroculus Defined on 21/05/2009 19:35:23

Mining solo in 0.0 is possible, you just have to find 0.0 space which is held by an alliance that doesn't mind neutrals. Best bet is to go to Providence which is held by CVA and won't automaticly shoot neutrals.

From the Tash-Murkon region you can fly to the 'Esa' system which is 2 jumps from Y-MPWL, which is a 0.0 system with a station in it.

But before you do that join the relevant intel channels - 'TheCitadel' is the channel to listen in for pirate reports in that region.

The stations will charge you a docking fee, that's the price of living in someone else's empire.

As for ships, a retriever works great with a hauler to haul cans, it's cheap to replace. Can stealing isn't common down there. Alternatively you can tank a hulk to be strong against EM & Therm and if you pick the right rat spawn they won't be able to touch you.

Lokia Enroch
Special Situations
TOHA Conglomerate
Posted - 2009.05.21 21:06:00 - [13]
 

Don't mine in a cap ship. The fella that suggested it wants that KM. Don't go mine in Providence. Some of the holders and other alliances there have rules about who is allowed to mine, and in reality, the margin of profit is not great enough to warrant the extra effort for logistics. Unless you can get in a good corp/alliance.

If you are looking to make money safely, join a High Sec mining corp that focuses on cleaning out belts as fast as possible. Make sure they have Orca's to support with hauling and gang bonuses. If they can't run ops during your main play times, keep looking.

0.0 requires a level of logistics that most people don't want to bother with.

skye orionis
Posted - 2009.05.22 00:13:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Lokia Enroch
. Don't go mine in Providence. Some of the holders and other alliances there have rules about who is allowed to mine


I believe all station systems in providence allow neutrals to mine, and if you're not allowed to mine they will tell you nicely rather than shooting you. Don't ignore them, do what they say and they might even have suggestions on where you can go mining in their space.

Some parts of Catch belonging to Se7erance and Sylph is also neut friendly, but it's a lot closer to less tolerant alliances who like to go roaming and harassing pilots.

Kher'Aleer
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.05.22 11:35:00 - [15]
 

Just train both accounts into flying hulks, then go jetcan mining veldspar in some L1 mission space.
If you compare all the time it takes for the logistics, solo mining nullsec isn't worth it in an ISK/hour ratio.

The rorq post was just hillarious... or not.Rolling Eyes


 

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