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Jordon Miles
Crimson Empire.
Aeternus.
Posted - 2009.07.29 01:38:00 - [211]
 

Supported Completely

sukmanobov
Minmatar
The Priesthood
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.07.29 02:22:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: BloodSoaked Goddess

I found it completely IRONIC that Privateer Alliance would be moaning about neutral remote reps when they are as guilty as their targets for this if not more so...

Four neutral remote reps in a fight today where they already outnumbered us and had the upper hand but the fear of losing a ship caused them to bring out the neutral reppers for the gank vs fight..

You are a hypocrite Pitboss and the rest of your alliance are as full of fail as the people you accuse.

Fix your own internal pvp'rs before you try and fix the rest of eve!!




Looks as if you are as loud mouthed in the forums as you were in alliance chat goddess, FYI Sukmanobov has NEVER used Nuetral remote RR. I also know for a fact that Rico Felix, Sombra, Shan, PB, Delzoun, jared, wolf, and most of Mbalm does not use them in fact i know of no one in mbalm that does. If any one does please feel free to tell us.

I Will admit to using my alt to RSB suk every now and then but thats no gonna help if im in a Rupture and a domi undocks. tho if i undock a rupture to fight a Cruiser/BC a remote nuet remote mega / logistic ship I.E. GGB would change the fight in the WT's favour.

If privs are using nuet RR then you have every right to complain just don't go spreading rumors about priv's using neut RR in fights as a norm because we don't.

P.s. notice the word "Nuetral" not corp before all the post about i seen privs using RR

sukmanobov
Minmatar
The Priesthood
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.07.29 02:29:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Ferocious FeAr
Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 28/07/2009 07:23:38
You made this thread about neutral remote reps but your alliance is widely using the tactic.


Not that i know of. Please name corps.


sukmanobov
Minmatar
The Priesthood
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.07.29 02:44:00 - [214]
 

Edited by: sukmanobov on 29/07/2009 02:45:59
Originally by: Loki Farseer
Also clarification for RR etc in Highsec:

1. If you help a person in any way that is being attacked or at war you are automatically flagged to those People/Corps?Alliances.

This can be RR (Remote Rep) Energy Transfer, Tracking Links, Logi Drones, Sensor Link's... anything that helps that ship. Once that happens you are fair game to be shot and killed by anyone that was fighting the guy you helped (ie you are a valid target).

Being Neutral only helps you as I said above the 1st or (if the privateers 2nd through 50th time) to suprise your enemy. All the same rules etc then apply.

Discuss


ha ha ha Loki the biggest Nuet RR user in jita YARRRR!!

Problem is that if you fight say Phoon VS Phoon. both are around the 30% armor left, then you target undocks his neutral RR domi then its pritty mutch all over for ya as there is no way your gonna burst the rest of that phoon plus the the RR domi. so the fight then becomes a "Can i get docked before i pop" then smack in local about how you gt docked in time. the end because you won't undock and fight again because he has nuet RR.

I agree with both proposals PB - aggrotimer and Viktor Vegas - that out of corp RR should not be alowed

P.s. i just read kailen Thorns Post about his use of neut RR, i don't support this but its his choice if doesn't mind being a hypocrite ShockedVery HappyShocked

Guts Armslave
Caldari
Crimson Empire.
Unity Thru Aggression.
Posted - 2009.07.29 03:46:00 - [215]
 

i so support thisVery Happy

Loki Farseer
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.07.29 05:14:00 - [216]
 

Lol fine. I get them to join the corp/alliance. Your scenario still fails if he waits to undock is in my corp and rr's me. You gonna switch targets and kill him? Nope you're gonna dock. Same as you guys always do and did.

Try thinking around the problem and quit whining. Beating RR is easy and we do it daily. This includes the Privateer's rather fail attempts at RR.


Eve Forums.... If you can't beat em... whine about it and CCP will do it for you. Rolling Eyes

Abernie
Solice Technologies

Posted - 2009.07.29 08:49:00 - [217]
 


Kailen Thorn
Caldari
Serenity Prime
Cascade Probable
Posted - 2009.07.29 10:13:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: sukmanobov
Edited by: sukmanobov on 29/07/2009 02:45:59
Originally by: Loki Farseer
Also clarification for RR etc in Highsec:

1. If you help a person in any way that is being attacked or at war you are automatically flagged to those People/Corps?Alliances.

This can be RR (Remote Rep) Energy Transfer, Tracking Links, Logi Drones, Sensor Link's... anything that helps that ship. Once that happens you are fair game to be shot and killed by anyone that was fighting the guy you helped (ie you are a valid target).

Being Neutral only helps you as I said above the 1st or (if the privateers 2nd through 50th time) to suprise your enemy. All the same rules etc then apply.

Discuss


ha ha ha Loki the biggest Nuet RR user in jita YARRRR!!

Problem is that if you fight say Phoon VS Phoon. both are around the 30% armor left, then you target undocks his neutral RR domi then its pritty mutch all over for ya as there is no way your gonna burst the rest of that phoon plus the the RR domi. so the fight then becomes a "Can i get docked before i pop" then smack in local about how you gt docked in time. the end because you won't undock and fight again because he has nuet RR.

I agree with both proposals PB - aggrotimer and Viktor Vegas - that out of corp RR should not be alowed

P.s. i just read kailen Thorns Post about his use of neut RR, i don't support this but its his choice if doesn't mind being a hypocrite ShockedVery HappyShocked


what are u on about man? i dont use RR? my main dosnt even have skills to use RR. and plus i fly frigs, so what is the point of it?

where'd i say that i did? I was agreeing that RR was ok, but they need to put a aggression countdown to keep them in the fight. so they can be shot at and blown up for trying to help the fight

Kailen Thorn
Caldari
Serenity Prime
Cascade Probable
Posted - 2009.07.29 10:25:00 - [219]
 

Edited by: Kailen Thorn on 29/07/2009 10:28:39
Originally by: Loki Farseer
Pitboss... sad man sad. I had told myself I couldn't be bothered to post in this crap... but I just can't help it.ugh

Since you've been around so long (5+ years) you should remember when it was adapt or die... with the other alternative being STFU in EVE.

Now it's the above 2 with an overwhelming addition of Emo whine on the forums for change.

A little back-story for those just joining:

4-6 of us shut down the Privateer Alliance in Jita for basically 2 weeks (honestly when you re-dec'd us for another week I almost pi$$ed myself laughing). You're rant is we had neutral RR and RR is overpowered etc. Dude seriously if you can't figure out how to defeat 4-6 (generally less) of us with 1-2 RR guys helping... you're doing it wrong and need to emo rage quit now (can I have your stuffs and put it to proper use)Laughing

RR isn't broken. ANYONE CAN DO IT. It's cheap, it's effective, it's about the only counter to blobs/huge station camps since Nano and ECM took a hit. You shouldn't be rallying support to get RR changed you should be figuring out how a small group could put that much hurt on your alliance with so little effort.

Neutral RR is the same as a non-neutral RR. Same rules etc, same limitations. Only difference is that the 1st time or maybe 2 (if you're REALLY not paying attention) you can suprise someone. Pitboss... Me doing 50+ Kills in just those 2 weeks to your Alliance isn't an RR's suprised us, it's a you fail. We had the same group the same guys etc... nothing changed. We fight against RR on a daily basis. It's simple to counter (if you know what you're doing) and I'd be glad to help you guys out with a remedial class on... watching who reps who, what they fit, what they use, and COUNTER IT.Rolling Eyes One size does NOT fit all and 1 tactic sure as H3ll doesn't always work (except RR against you guys apparently).

Let me give you a little taste of what will happen if they add an aggression counter to RR like you are whining about (since I doubt you've thought that far ahead). Stabs Pitboss... LOTSA STABS. Sit there RR, align out, warp. Rinse and repeat (and no you guys don't use HIC's for crap so don't even use that argument).. BTW, you can warp out and back as fast or faster then docking and undocking @ Jita 4-4... we've tested. You'll still fail, you'll still whine and all people will have to do is change a couple of mods and tactics a bit. TBH I could care less if you succeed in nerfing RR/adding an aggro timer since I'll just change what I do again.

OMG FALCONS ARE WTF PWN..., OMG NANO IS WTF PWN, OMG WTF RR IS WTF PWN... Whiners need to whine.. Whining about a tactic because you are too dumb to counter it is sad. But it's the way eve is going. All Hail the Age of Emo Whiners Expansion. Rolling Eyes


Right firstly,jita is a big place, your not the only war targets docked. so you and 1 - 2 others sitting outside, could mean bait. Generally theres 10+ in jita and we do not know who is working with who, and who is helping with the bait. so we generally are cautious.

Out of all the war-targets i have fought against, your name probably stands out the most. And its warning bells, as to not give this guy a fight. Cause he abuses the ass outta RR. Thats why we didnt go to jita, cause we knew it was a lost cause.

RR IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!! its the aggression countdown which is not their when someone RR's WHICH IS THE PROBLEM. Please, people need to understand that before posting. RR IS NOT BROKEN AND ANYONE CAN DO IT, but the AGGRESSION COUNTDOWN IS BROKEN.

No see, warping off takes time. All RR's i have seen are battleships, and they take time to align. So a frig would be on bumping duty. Plus if that BS takes damage, it must dock + repair, BUT HEY THEY CANT!! cause of the new mechanics, so they need to rep themselves and come back into the fight. So that dosnt work....

Kailen Thorn
Caldari
Serenity Prime
Cascade Probable
Posted - 2009.07.29 10:28:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Loki Farseer
Pitboss... sad man sad. I had told myself I couldn't be bothered to post in this crap... but I just can't help it.ugh

Since you've been around so long (5+ years) you should remember when it was adapt or die... with the other alternative being STFU in EVE.

Now it's the above 2 with an overwhelming addition of Emo whine on the forums for change.

A little back-story for those just joining:

4-6 of us shut down the Privateer Alliance in Jita for basically 2 weeks (honestly when you re-dec'd us for another week I almost pi$$ed myself laughing). You're rant is we had neutral RR and RR is overpowered etc. Dude seriously if you can't figure out how to defeat 4-6 (generally less) of us with 1-2 RR guys helping... you're doing it wrong and need to emo rage quit now (can I have your stuffs and put it to proper use)Laughing

RR isn't broken. ANYONE CAN DO IT. It's cheap, it's effective, it's about the only counter to blobs/huge station camps since Nano and ECM took a hit. You shouldn't be rallying support to get RR changed you should be figuring out how a small group could put that much hurt on your alliance with so little effort.

Neutral RR is the same as a non-neutral RR. Same rules etc, same limitations. Only difference is that the 1st time or maybe 2 (if you're REALLY not paying attention) you can suprise someone. Pitboss... Me doing 50+ Kills in just those 2 weeks to your Alliance isn't an RR's suprised us, it's a you fail. We had the same group the same guys etc... nothing changed. We fight against RR on a daily basis. It's simple to counter (if you know what you're doing) and I'd be glad to help you guys out with a remedial class on... watching who reps who, what they fit, what they use, and COUNTER IT.Rolling Eyes One size does NOT fit all and 1 tactic sure as H3ll doesn't always work (except RR against you guys apparently).

Let me give you a little taste of what will happen if they add an aggression counter to RR like you are whining about (since I doubt you've thought that far ahead). Stabs Pitboss... LOTSA STABS. Sit there RR, align out, warp. Rinse and repeat (and no you guys don't use HIC's for crap so don't even use that argument).. BTW, you can warp out and back as fast or faster then docking and undocking @ Jita 4-4... we've tested. You'll still fail, you'll still whine and all people will have to do is change a couple of mods and tactics a bit. TBH I could care less if you succeed in nerfing RR/adding an aggro timer since I'll just change what I do again.

OMG FALCONS ARE WTF PWN..., OMG NANO IS WTF PWN, OMG WTF RR IS WTF PWN... Whiners need to whine.. Whining about a tactic because you are too dumb to counter it is sad. But it's the way eve is going. All Hail the Age of Emo Whiners Expansion. Rolling Eyes


Also, if ECM is to be used to counter RR, which if it has a good set up, it has ECCM and that will waste the ECM. PLus that will also give aggression to the neutral RR, and if he is a player, he can then undock in a DPs ship and pop there rather weak ECM ship which engaged him to stop. so again, no, that dosnt sound good, does it?

Your little justification fails. so before posting loki, read that RR IS FINE!!! the AGGRESSION COUNTDOWN, which IS NOT THERE, is the problem

Felix Mibaz
Posted - 2009.07.29 12:17:00 - [221]
 

Repairing someone isn't an act of aggression, and should never be considered as such.

You already get the ability to shoot said person for 15 minutes if he sticks his head into your war. Just be happy you're not dealing with people that use their RR's differently (IE - have that alt steal from can belonging to their corp, then when they rep them, you get no chance to attack them).

I believe that is more of an issue than what you're complaining about. Not supported.

Not to mention Privateers use this tactic to get remote sensor boosters and reps for themselves as well. So this is a bit of whine in my opinion.

Gekeim
Posted - 2009.07.29 15:32:00 - [222]
 

Many in this thread that are for the change have expressed their view that this is a bug or an exploit, but has that ever been confirmed by the devs? If not, I don't think it's too far outside the realm of possibility that it is intentional.

I think it's also at least possible that if intended, it could have been meant as an alternative strategy to out-blobbing station campers (as stated by others). You have to admit for a small group of players caught in a station by a larger force, the options are pretty limited.

If it did change, would increasing the survivability of logistics ships help?

It seems to me that if a change is made for the sake of consistency then the conditions should be plainly spelled out in a way that offers no room for interpretation. Would something like "any action that harms or benefits a statistic on a ship flown by a pilot with an active one minute aggression timer triggers a one minute aggression timer" suffice?


Loki Farseer
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.07.29 16:47:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Kailen Thorn
Originally by: sukmanobov
Edited by: sukmanobov on 29/07/2009 02:45:59
Originally by: Loki Farseer
Also clarification for RR etc in Highsec:

1. If you help a person in any way that is being attacked or at war you are automatically flagged to those People/Corps?Alliances.

This can be RR (Remote Rep) Energy Transfer, Tracking Links, Logi Drones, Sensor Link's... anything that helps that ship. Once that happens you are fair game to be shot and killed by anyone that was fighting the guy you helped (ie you are a valid target).

Being Neutral only helps you as I said above the 1st or (if the privateers 2nd through 50th time) to suprise your enemy. All the same rules etc then apply.

Discuss


ha ha ha Loki the biggest Nuet RR user in jita YARRRR!!

Problem is that if you fight say Phoon VS Phoon. both are around the 30% armor left, then you target undocks his neutral RR domi then its pritty mutch all over for ya as there is no way your gonna burst the rest of that phoon plus the the RR domi. so the fight then becomes a "Can i get docked before i pop" then smack in local about how you gt docked in time. the end because you won't undock and fight again because he has nuet RR.

I agree with both proposals PB - aggrotimer and Viktor Vegas - that out of corp RR should not be alowed

P.s. i just read kailen Thorns Post about his use of neut RR, i don't support this but its his choice if doesn't mind being a hypocrite ShockedVery HappyShocked


what are u on about man? i dont use RR? my main dosnt even have skills to use RR. and plus i fly frigs, so what is the point of it?

where'd i say that i did? I was agreeing that RR was ok, but they need to put a aggression countdown to keep them in the fight. so they can be shot at and blown up for trying to help the fight


Umm Kailen... the top post is mine. The 2nd one was from a CORPMATE of your's sukmanobov (please at least read them and get your stuff straight before jumping up and down and waving stuff). I never said you specifically used RR and to be honest again could care less.


Kailen Thorn
Caldari
Serenity Prime
Cascade Probable
Posted - 2009.07.29 16:51:00 - [224]
 

yea, its ok loki, it wasnt a rant at you, it was a rant at sukman. at the bottom of his post it says P.S. i read kailens.....

the PS part was what i was getting at, not at you

Keitoshi Yamada
Caldari
Sephray Industries
Serenitas Solutus
Posted - 2009.07.29 17:29:00 - [225]
 

It really is kind of disturbing how many people don't bother to read what the post is about and just say "l2fightRR"...

I think it's been said here many many times that RR isn't the issue.

I think it's also been said here many many times that the lack of an aggression time is the problem.

RR is a purely logical tactic.
Lack of aggression creating "god mode" for neut RR is an exploit.

Loki Farseer
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.07.29 17:44:00 - [226]
 

Kailen...

You realize if you ran around and didn't sit at stations and gates you guys wouldn't have these problems with RR? Laughing I can do whatever I want since I don't have these mythical issues. A good majority of the time I don't even bother with RR since it's not needed.

Also the tasking of a frig to bump people.. lol GL with that. From what I saw (with VERY few exceptions) you guys and organization haven't seen each other in years.

Also try setting up a RR ship (pick a Logi, BS, hell I don't care). Drop 5-10 ECM drones on it and watch the 1 or 2 or even 3 ECCM's you crow about NOT DO JACK SH!T you're jammed m8 period and if you're doing it properly 1-2 jam cycles on the logi will let you kill your target(s). Again if you guys bothered to test things you would know this... but it's easier to whine on the forums about it.

You want to b!tch about something that's ****ed and OP, try the ECM drones lol. Those make me go ouch when I see them Shocked

The thing you Privateer guys don't get is... most of EVE doesn't like ya.. (might be those dec's against carebears and people that don't want to fight) I dunno. Sometimes I'd get convo's from people that hated the Privateers and wanted to just stick one to you and they'd help out.

My group had between 1-3 guys that had RR's of some sort around some of the time (could be 1 HS Large RR on a Mega, Might be 2 RR on a domi, could be a logi ship). Sometimes I had nada. Tbh, alot of people @ Jita and other places are looking for fights and RR/Sensor Boost/Remote ECCM boost people to get aggro and a fight.

Hell I do it all the time to get fights.

Add aggro counters to RR alts, I just add stabs align, add 1-2 RR's on each BS or go a new route. Makes no difference. It's just pathetic you can't figure out how many ways there are to beat it currently Laughing

Jaina Proudmoar
Posted - 2009.07.29 17:52:00 - [227]
 

Edited by: Jaina Proudmoar on 29/07/2009 17:52:42
Originally by: Loki Farseer

You realize if you ran around and didn't sit at stations and gates you guys wouldn't have these problems with RR?


99% of EVE PvP is at a station or gate.

Originally by: Loki Farseer

(might be those dec's against carebears and people that don't want to fight)



Yeah, all those 0.0 alliances.

The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.07.29 17:55:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: Keitoshi Yamada
I think it's been said here many many times that RR isn't the issue.

I think it's also been said here many many times that the lack of an aggression time is the problem.


THIS ... time to move on


Saju Somtaaw
Kagan-Kincaid Enterprises
Posted - 2009.07.29 22:02:00 - [229]
 

As long as it doesn't summon Concord, supported

Trinity Nova
Amarr
Unaccompanied Souls
Posted - 2009.07.29 23:01:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Felix Mibaz

You already get the ability to shoot said person for 15 minutes if he sticks his head into your war....


If you're allowed to shoot them then why not slap the timer on them as well?



Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.07.30 01:15:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Keitoshi Yamada
It is still, very much so, indirect aggression.

You're helping someone else aggress a target better than they could without your help.


Which is why they are now red to you. It is STILL not an aggressive act. Only those who commit aggressive acts are locked out of docking for 1 minute. And guess what? If he was committing an aggressive act, he would be concorded.

Quote:
Just as everyone /against/ this proposal says, "EVE is a dangerous place. Get over it..." ... EVE /is/ a dangerous place, that means it's dangerous for logistics aswell.


You're right, he's now red to all wartargets of the person he's repairing.

Quote:
For every action there is a consequence.


You're right, he's now red to all wartargets of the person he's repairing.

Quote:
So far Logistics near stations don't have any real consequences,


You're wrong, he's now red to all wartargets of the person he's repairing.

Quote:
Camping the dock to help a buddy then docking once you take damage is an exploit, not a tactic.


Don't fight on station.

Trinity Nova
Amarr
Unaccompanied Souls
Posted - 2009.07.30 10:39:00 - [232]
 

So rr isn't considered an "aggressive" act, is that what I'm hearing?

But I can shoot them because they are assisting someone who is a wt to me, did I get that one right as well?

Bottomline: The rr ship becomes a valid target in which he can be destroyed by me for committing a non-aggressive act in support of someone who is a wt to me.

Either people are really stupid OR they simply do not want to see their precious non-aggressing dual boxed rr fleet be put in its proper place.

It's very simple see if you can follow some commonsense:

If I am allowed to legally engage someone and kill them then they must have done something to deserve it. They must have in some way either directly or indirectly, passively or actively performed an aggressive act or assisted someone in performing an aggressive act. Which is reason enough for them to become valid targets. Sooooo, if that's the case why not apply the aggression timer?

But here's the real solution for those people that have no commonsense and cannot see the logic in this.

SIMPLY CALL THE AGGRESSION TIMER SOMETHING ELSE!!!!

So people don't get wrapped on the word "aggression".

There problem solved it's no longer the aggression timer it's now called the (insert favorite term here) timer.


Knara Semosin
Posted - 2009.07.30 18:18:00 - [233]
 


Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.07.30 19:56:00 - [234]
 

Edited by: Awesome Possum on 30/07/2009 19:56:01
Originally by: Trinity Nova
>snip illogical rant<


They have not committed an aggressive act against a player.

They have committed a friendly act on a target* who is at war. Thus rendering them a viable target for 15mins.

There is a huge difference.

There are plenty of ways to counter neutral RR. Use them, don't whine to have something nerf just because you can't counter it.

That Way Arrow

breaky1
THE FINAL STAND
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2009.07.30 20:50:00 - [235]
 

Edited by: breaky1 on 30/07/2009 22:07:49
/signed

However, Privateer Alliance uses neut reps constantly. Here's a few of Priv neut-repping alts, and there's plenty more:
Michal Cill, mirosan, Zivy Terc, Mirrabella

PB I know you mean well, but you should clean up your own shop.

Trinity Nova
Amarr
Unaccompanied Souls
Posted - 2009.07.30 21:51:00 - [236]
 

Awesome Possum think it through hero, think it through.

Don't let the word aggression get in the way. The game mechanic says it all.

You are a legitimate target (the reason doesn't matter) therefore you should be subject to the "Penalty Timer" formerly known as the aggression timer.

Now that we've changed the name of the timer we can get past the fact that remote repping is a lol "friendly" non-aggressive act that only affects the person being repped and in no way gives them an advantage or influences the outcome in any way.

Btw, CCP if you do change the name, I want credit. Naming a region or solar system after me would be payment enough.


The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.07.30 23:15:00 - [237]
 

Edited by: The PitBoss on 30/07/2009 23:20:42

Originally by: breaky1
PB I know you mean well, but you should clean up your own shop.


What's to clean up .. I've never endorsed -or- denounced RR ... I do recall somewhere asking for the mechanics on aggression and jump/dock timer to be looked at ...

AND how is bringing up this issue NOT trying to clean up shop?


Reposting this for those that are TOO LAZY -or- TOO DUMB -or- BOTH to read the original post ....


Originally by: The Pitboss
Please look into the mechanics of Neutral/Alt remote repping and their Aggression.

Current Game Mechanic


A Neutral/Alt remote repper can rep someone under attack.

The repper is aggro'd to the attacker.

The repper DOES NOT get an aggression timer in the effect that they may DOCK UP -or- JUMP through a gate leaving them half assed free for sticking their nose into a fight.

There is no real risk for the repper and he may disengage after turning the tide of a battle at ANY TIME.

Game Mechanic Example

I war dec a corporation .... one of its pilots decides to flaunt a ship I can easily kill infront of me.

I start shooting the ship ... all of a sudden his ALT (who is hugging a station -or- a warp gate) starts remote repping him

His alt is now aggressed to me ... leaving me the option to shoot the original target -or- shoot the remote repper.

So if I shoot the remote repper ... he is allowed to dock up or jump through the gate anytime he feels comfortable ... He doesn't have to wait the NORMAL 1 minute de-aggro to do so. In which I could probably kill him during that de-aggro time and punish him for sticking his nose in our war.

If I ignore the repper ... i'm fighting a losing battle against a ship i can normally take.


Suggested Fix


NORMAL aggression timer when concerning DOCKING & Gate JUMPING ... which is 14 mins ... which 1 minute of that you can't dock -or- jump.





I AM ASKING FOR THIS ... (once again) ...

1. Look into the change of mechanics of RR and aggression ...

2. a 1 minute jump/docking timer ...




Tortugan
Internal Anarchy
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2009.07.31 06:21:00 - [238]
 

If assisting a friend via RR is considered an aggressive act, who's to say that using your own local reps isn't? Is your next suggestion going to be 'HI THIS NIGHTMARE CAME OUT AND ACTIVE TANKED OUR WHOLE FLEET CCP PLEAASE NERF TANKING SO I MAY CONTINUE GRIEFING MINERS. KTHX.'

Who's supporting this change? Blobbers, griefers, and Privateers (all of the above). Who's opposing it? People who actually know their sh*t and enjoy having a chance in hell of fighting outnumbered.

Bottom line: The current mechanic is fine how it is for several reasons-
1) RR is not an AGGRESSIVE act. Just like running local reps vs running a warp scrambler- RR is a defensive boost ONLY.
2) There are NUMBEROUS counters to remote rep- try being creative about how you fight RR gangs- in some cases more DPS is best, in others, EWAR is king.
3) This would only serve to boost station blobbing by people like the Privateer Alliance, and once again, provide yet another nerf to small gang, guerrilla style warfare.
4) EVERYONE can use RR. It has NEVER been classified as a glitch, an exploit, or anything of the sort by CCP, which seems to be the main argument for the change.

Trinity Nova
Amarr
Unaccompanied Souls
Posted - 2009.07.31 20:15:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Tortugan
If assisting a friend via RR is considered an aggressive act, who's to say that using your own local reps isn't? Is your next suggestion going to be 'HI THIS NIGHTMARE CAME OUT AND ACTIVE TANKED OUR WHOLE FLEET CCP PLEAASE NERF TANKING SO I MAY CONTINUE GRIEFING MINERS. KTHX.'


Don't take this personally but are you ******ed or just stupid?

In one situation you are repping yourself and in the other you're repping someone else. There's nothing remotely the same about either situation (see what I did there with "remotely").

Somewhere there's a village missing its idiot maybe you should find your way back before they issue an amber alert.

Evil Communism
Posted - 2009.07.31 21:06:00 - [240]
 

I don't support docking/gate aggro for repping. The mechanic where the repper can be shot at (in empire) is enough.


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