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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services

Posted - 2009.07.20 05:12:00 - [151]
 


Cortex Reaver
The 14K

Posted - 2009.07.20 20:13:00 - [152]
 

Edited by: Cortex Reaver on 20/07/2009 20:13:59
Originally by: Fille Balle
Suggested fix that is already implemented:

1. stop pvp'ing in empire
2. stop playing station games
3. ??????????????????????????
4. profit!

No need for additional fixes.

Not supported.


You obviously don't understand how this really works. Empire or not has little to do with it.


Ankhra Mainyu
Posted - 2009.07.21 15:21:00 - [153]
 

Supported

Sans Honore
Gallente
Wirfadam Productions LTD

Posted - 2009.07.21 15:31:00 - [154]
 

Supported

Gaven Darklighter
Gallente
Invicta.
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2009.07.21 18:05:00 - [155]
 

Although I hate a lot of things about station games, this is going to throw so many other mechanics out of whack. From mission runners to RR gangs, it's going to be more of a pain for people than it will help them. There should be a solution, but this is not it.

Hailey Sunweaver
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe

Posted - 2009.07.21 18:18:00 - [156]
 

supported 100%

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.07.21 19:02:00 - [157]
 

SUPPORTED

Pyrostasis
Caldari
TDK Industries
Bi Winning Alliance
Posted - 2009.07.23 22:40:00 - [158]
 

completely support this idea

/signed

Petyr Baelich
Valar Morghulis.
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.07.24 15:40:00 - [159]
 

+1

Aedeas
Gallente
Veldspar Conglomerate
CaLiARr Alliance
Posted - 2009.07.24 16:02:00 - [160]
 

The whole point of being Neutral is saying "I dont want to be involved." Becoming involved invalidates neutrality. Supported. In fact why not go as far as saying that any neutral getting involved in a PvP battle (at least one involving 2 warring parties in Empire) automatically puts the corp into the war, and the necessary war dec/concord messages/fees are automatically sent and the corp goes to war 24 hours later.

Exie
The Suicide Express
Twilight Federation
Posted - 2009.07.24 17:40:00 - [161]
 

Supported, any external action either assisting or attacking another player should cause aggresion.

Valorous Bob
The Real OC
Cascade Probable
Posted - 2009.07.24 17:49:00 - [162]
 

/signed

even though i probably benefit from this not being implemented. ugh

downies
Posted - 2009.07.24 18:58:00 - [163]
 

1

Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
A Pretty Pony Princess
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2009.07.24 19:01:00 - [164]
 

Amidoinitrite?

Lee Dalton
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.07.24 19:23:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Aedeas
The whole point of being Neutral is saying "I dont want to be involved." Becoming involved invalidates neutrality. Supported. In fact why not go as far as saying that any neutral getting involved in a PvP battle (at least one involving 2 warring parties in Empire) automatically puts the corp into the war, and the necessary war dec/concord messages/fees are automatically sent and the corp goes to war 24 hours later.


Exactly - if you want to throw yourself into a fight, fine. But it should actually have consequences and commit you to the fight.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.07.24 19:50:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Aedeas
The whole point of being Neutral is saying "I dont want to be involved." Becoming involved invalidates neutrality. Supported. In fact why not go as far as saying that any neutral getting involved in a PvP battle (at least one involving 2 warring parties in Empire) automatically puts the corp into the war, and the necessary war dec/concord messages/fees are automatically sent and the corp goes to war 24 hours later.


So if [for example] I'm a member of Really Big Alliance., and some pissant corp ticks me off, and I see his corp is at war (or I just have an alt corp dec his), I can get a free dec against him by simply RR'ing one of his targets?

Aggression timers should be increased to 2 minutes (at least). I dislike neut RR, but its something everyone uses (or would if they had it available), even if they swear on bible/koran/torah/baghavad gita/pasta they wouldn't.

I like the way neutral RR works now, so no support here, yet.

Yakumo Smith
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.07.24 20:24:00 - [167]
 

Supported

Nyphur
Pillowsoft

Posted - 2009.07.24 23:44:00 - [168]
 

Having experienced this first hand, I know how broken it is. Remote repping should be classed as aggro for the purposes of the dock and jump timer when the target of the rep is engaged.

Pristine Nippletub
Excelsior Knights In Shining Armor

Posted - 2009.07.24 23:56:00 - [169]
 

Supported.

Red Katherine
Ammatar Free Corps

Posted - 2009.07.25 04:12:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: Red Katherine on 25/07/2009 04:11:56
Supported 100%.

Mashashige
Minmatar
Eternal Perseverance
Hellstrome Alliance
Posted - 2009.07.25 21:07:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Gaven Darklighter
Although I hate a lot of things about station games, this is going to throw so many other mechanics out of whack. From mission runners to RR gangs, it's going to be more of a pain for people than it will help them. There should be a solution, but this is not it.


How is that? will a mission runner get ****ed by not being able to dock? OMG WHEN DID THEY CHANGE RATS INTO FIGHTER DRONES? RR on a gate while trying to run away and not getting aggro is also silly, allows the idiots to run when they should die - as for RR anywhere else, I fail to see the impact on it.

THINK BEFORE YOU POST, YOU MORON (ingame).

as for the offer, supported.

Gnosis19
Caldari
Caldari Provisions

Posted - 2009.07.25 22:07:00 - [172]
 

Supported.

Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari
Original Sin.
Posted - 2009.07.26 09:27:00 - [173]
 

Support, and hurf: http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=4_30&page=2

Xornicon Altair
Woopatang
Primary.
Posted - 2009.07.26 10:06:00 - [174]
 

I'm in.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.

Posted - 2009.07.26 15:46:00 - [175]
 

Supported, with a possible modification that you don't get the docking/jump timer until after you get shot (while having a repping timer).

steveid
Viziam

Posted - 2009.07.26 17:06:00 - [176]
 

Edited by: steveid on 26/07/2009 17:07:01
personally i think this is too soft. If you remote rep an enemy under attack, or apply any gang modules to an enemy who's under attack then that enemy should have killrights on you for 7 days. If you get involved in the war you have to be involved imo otherwise wtf is the Yulai convention for?

Xydros
Veto.
Posted - 2009.07.26 21:14:00 - [177]
 

supported.

Tortugan
Internal Anarchy
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2009.07.26 22:33:00 - [178]
 

...You do realize this will continue the killing of small-gang warfare, no? PVP shouldn't always be about who has the bigger blob, and hit and run tactics should be encouraged. PitBoss and supporters, if you want remote reppers to have no escape, then why not fight in a belt? Oh yeah- because then you can't deaggro and dock up if things get nasty :).

Personally, I actually enjoy it when people use RR- neutral or not, against me. Reason being, 90% of the time, they end up doing something stupid- they aggress in something I can kill even with RR, they leave themselves open to EWAR, or (my personal favorite) they leave their rep alts in harm's way.

This thread was started by The PitBoss, executor of empire's premier griefing alliance, Privateer Alliance. Privateers are good at one thing- griefing. I'm sorry, Pit- you talk a lot about neutral remote rep abuse- but when was the last time you fought outnumbered (including all participating ships, RR or otherwise) against someone who actually had a fathom of experience in PVP? I'm sorry if you missed out on a couple mining barge kills because their buddies were generous enough to help them get out of Jita. And I'm sorry if you've lost a few ships to Wildly Inappropriate because your 'PVP' alliance is too disorganized and divided to learn to work as a team.

The current game mechanic supports teamwork (between corp mates, alliance mates, and just friends you meet in the game), guerrilla warfare (you can hit and run when heavily outnumbered, and force your opponent to adopt a different PVP strategy than just the bigger blob wins), and the element of surprise and danger that Eve is known for.

Pit, why not just bring anti-RR support? It ain't that hard. Let's consider the circumstances that recently took place- Privs decced WI- about 5 members of WI were interested in fighting, and between us, we had maybe 5 more friends/alts who'd help out as needed. That's 10 total versus an alliance of 200+, and you were still unwilling to fight because you couldn't work together to come up with an adequate counter to our strategies. Would it make a difference if all 10 of us were in alliance? Why don't you just bring 10 DPS ships and 190 remote rep ships? Find your own counters to remote rep. We have :)

tl;dr: Quit whining and find counters to it- there are plenty.

The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.07.26 23:12:00 - [179]
 

Edited by: The PitBoss on 26/07/2009 23:13:00

Originally by: Tortugan
... Yap Yap Yap ...


I was waiting for one of the KINGS of RRing for cheap kills to open his yap ...

No Offense but you said it yourself:

Originally by: Private Chat
[ 2009.07.12 08:39:46 ] The PitBoss > any particular reason your helping that douche bag?
[ 2009.07.12 08:43:29 ] Tortugan > Don't mean to sound like a douche- but I'm looking for pew- and seems like RRing a losing battle is the way to find it around here :)
[ 2009.07.12 08:43:49 ] The PitBoss > till they fix the mechanic
[ 2009.07.12 08:44:25 ] Tortugan > Even then- it'll just get sneakier tbh


This is the EXACT reason why I brought up this ISSUE ...

Stop hiding behind the facade that its going to kill small gangs ... If you the had skills you wouldn't need to rely on 5 alt accounts Laughing


Tortugan
Internal Anarchy
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2009.07.26 23:51:00 - [180]
 

Edited by: Tortugan on 26/07/2009 23:57:57
Originally by: The PitBoss
Edited by: The PitBoss on 26/07/2009 23:13:00

Originally by: Tortugan
... Yap Yap Yap ...


I was waiting for one of the KINGS of RRing for cheap kills to open his yap ...

No Offense but you said it yourself:

Originally by: Private Chat
[ 2009.07.12 08:39:46 ] The PitBoss > any particular reason your helping that douche bag?
[ 2009.07.12 08:43:29 ] Tortugan > Don't mean to sound like a douche- but I'm looking for pew- and seems like RRing a losing battle is the way to find it around here :)
[ 2009.07.12 08:43:49 ] The PitBoss > till they fix the mechanic
[ 2009.07.12 08:44:25 ] Tortugan > Even then- it'll just get sneakier tbh


This is the EXACT reason why I brought up this ISSUE ...

Stop hiding behind the facade that its going to kill small gangs ... If you the had skills you wouldn't need to rely on 5 alt accounts Laughing




As usual, taken out of context- and still not particularly relevant. What exactly is wrong with me helping out friends who are getting station camped by a priv blob? If you guys can't deal with some RR, find someone else to camp.

Edit: Not to mention- how the hell does bringing RR to make a 2 on 20 a 5 on 20 classify as 'cheap'? I'd say picking on carebears who don't know jack about PVP is a bit more 'cheap' than surprising griefers by winning a fight in which EVEN WITH remote rep, we are heavily outnumbered.


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