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AnatomicalFaith
Gallente
Instant Annihilation
Posted - 2009.05.21 17:35:00 - [31]
 

Support 100%

Keitoshi Yamada
Caldari
Sephray Industries
Serenitas Solutus
Posted - 2009.05.21 18:56:00 - [32]
 

Supported.

Station games need to not even exist.

Telling someone not to play station games is telling someone that "there is a problem here, but I have no solution for it other than a lame troll"

Honestly, if you rep someone, you are now part of the fight. If you disagree, then go play some other game. IRL, if there are two people fighting, and another person jumps into the fray with some bandaids and painkillers, you'd bet that the other person would decide that you have joined the fight, too. Why would the person who you're helping want to spend any time to kill you?

Seriously, positive effects should aggress the opponent, and offensive effects should aggress the defensive.

Hell, if it were my decision, any and all effects would aggress everyone involved.

Cookz Semarian
Posted - 2009.05.21 19:10:00 - [33]
 

supported

Car Wars
Mortis Angelus
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.05.21 23:36:00 - [34]
 

Remote repping should be risky. supported.

Gavin Darklighter
Ministry of War

Posted - 2009.05.22 01:22:00 - [35]
 

I would take it a step further and give the people who are attacking the person getting RR'd killrights on the RR'er

Tekno Viking
Posted - 2009.05.22 01:50:00 - [36]
 

not supported

Kailen Thorn
Caldari
Serenity Prime
Cascade Probable
Posted - 2009.05.22 09:52:00 - [37]
 

/ supported

Dktr Faustus
Posted - 2009.05.22 10:15:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: V0rtigern
If you interfere with a PVP action you deserve the same consequence this is EvE after all, actions must have a consequence!


Wot he said

Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
Posted - 2009.05.22 10:26:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Fille Balle on 22/05/2009 10:26:38
Originally by: Dktr Faustus
Originally by: V0rtigern
If you interfere with a PVP action you deserve the same consequence this is EvE after all, actions must have a consequence!


Wot he said


Ok, but how about adding consequences to wardec's? Have you thought about that? At the moment, you can declare war and if it turns out that that you're in over your head, there's no consequences. So, how do you suggest balancing this feature?

Regarding gates: learn 2 tackle? Learn 2 gate camp? It's not that hard. In fact, l2p

Shan Dollean
The Illuminatii
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2009.05.22 12:59:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: V0rtigern
If you interfere with a PVP action you deserve the same consequence this is EvE after all, actions must have a consequence!


This.

Supported.

The Jackhammer
Minmatar
MunsterMunch
Hydroponic Zone
Posted - 2009.05.22 15:32:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Fille Balle
Ok, but how about adding consequences to wardec's? Have you thought about that? At the moment, you can declare war and if it turns out that that you're in over your head, there's no consequences. So, how do you suggest balancing this feature?


Learn how to read the OP Rolling Eyes

Supported



Aastarius
Posted - 2009.05.22 16:05:00 - [42]
 

Fully supported

RoCkEt X
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.05.22 16:09:00 - [43]
 

not supported, it adds another dimension to pvp, you should be able to take into account anything that might happen during the fight. just have your own backup and ensure you have something to deal with the logistics ship.

not supported

-RX

Caassimolar
Posted - 2009.05.22 23:50:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: RoCkEt X
not supported, it adds another dimension to pvp, you should be able to take into account anything that might happen during the fight. just have your own backup and ensure you have something to deal with the logistics ship.

not supported

-RX


Read the op in its entirety, the only solution is to blob heavily, is that really a solution you're advocating? if not, give us examples.

Keitoshi Yamada
Caldari
Sephray Industries
Serenitas Solutus
Posted - 2009.05.23 02:14:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: RoCkEt X
not supported, it adds another dimension to pvp, you should be able to take into account anything that might happen during the fight. just have your own backup and ensure you have something to deal with the logistics ship.

not supported

-RX


That's gotta be one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard.

Either you didn't read the OP correctly, or you're stupid.

Woo, dealing with a logistics ship, fine, no one has a problem with logistics ships.

OP has a problem with people repping other people with no consequence.

Say I wardec you. You attack our fleet, and an alt corp's fleet with nothing but logistics ships come in.

They can actively repair my fleet with no consequences, and you can do nothing about it unless you want to wardec the alt corp, which isn't a solution to a mistake in the game's current mechanics.

The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.05.23 04:09:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: The PitBoss on 23/05/2009 04:13:54
Originally by: Caassimolar
Read the op in its entirety, the only solution is to blob heavily, is that really a solution you're advocating? if not, give us examples.


ok .. let me break it down.

  • I war dec a corporation .... one of its pilots decides to flaunt a ship I can easily kill infront of me.

  • I start shooting the ship ... all of a sudden his ALT (who is hugging a station -or- a warp gate) starts remote repping him

  • His alt is now aggressed to me ... leaving me the option to shoot the original target -or- shoot the remote repper.

  • So if I shoot the remote repper ... he is allowed to dock up or jump through the gate anytime he feels comfortable ... He doesn't have to wait the NORMAL 1 minute de-aggro to do so. In which I could probably kill him during that de-aggro time and punish him for sticking his nose in our war.

  • If I ignore the repper ... i'm fighting a losing battle against a ship i can normally take.

So what I'm asking for .. is the NORMAL de-aggro 1 minute timer on the remote repper just like everyone else gets.

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.05.23 10:09:00 - [47]
 

There's something hilarious about Privateer Alliance of all people complaining about the use of NPC corp alts.

However its a valid issue, so thumbs up.

S'vart Tseirgn
Calimae Logistics Foundation
Manifest Destiny.
Posted - 2009.05.23 12:04:00 - [48]
 

Supported - it definitely needs fixing.

Kiri Serrensun
Posted - 2009.05.23 22:21:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Kiri Serrensun on 23/05/2009 22:21:31
Supported.

killerco
Gallente
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.05.24 11:12:00 - [50]
 

supported

Verys
I Heart Chaos

Posted - 2009.05.24 19:27:00 - [51]
 

You get involved in a fight you get aggro simple as. It makes no sense that it's not like this already since logistics can really turn the tide in a battle.

scartor
Posted - 2009.05.24 19:45:00 - [52]
 

confirming that i agree with the op.

there should be a penalty to turn the tide in a engagement that you have no right to interfere with

Builder AlphaOne
Posted - 2009.05.25 15:17:00 - [53]
 

full support. and i've seen guys from the author's alliance [Privateers] doing exactly this outside stations, after which they dock immediately.

[ingame since beta testing.]

The Jackhammer
Minmatar
MunsterMunch
Hydroponic Zone
Posted - 2009.05.25 16:02:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Builder AlphaOne
[ingame since beta testing.]


But still can't figure out how to click the 'support' button ... Rolling Eyes

Tunamake
Posted - 2009.05.26 15:44:00 - [55]
 

Full aggression penalties should be applied.

Kelban Kevar
Gallente
Evocations of Shadow
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2009.05.27 23:04:00 - [56]
 

let um get cocorded for now on nuff said

Ignition SemperFi
No Falcons Allowed
Posted - 2009.05.28 15:39:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Kelban Kevar
let um get cocorded for now on nuff said


NO!

but still supporting the OP's topic

Spartacist Helecho
Posted - 2009.05.28 16:57:00 - [58]
 

Supported Very Happy

FU22
The 8th Order
Posted - 2009.05.29 00:45:00 - [59]
 

supported

Delvardious Kaesos
Caldari
State Protectorate

Posted - 2009.05.29 01:56:00 - [60]
 

Supported.


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