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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.05.19 17:04:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: The PitBoss on 28/05/2009 17:29:25

Please look into the mechanics of Neutral/Alt remote repping and their Aggression.

Current Game Mechanic


A Neutral/Alt remote repper can rep someone under attack.

The repper is aggro'd to the attacker.

The repper DOES NOT get an aggression timer in the effect that they may DOCK UP -or- JUMP through a gate leaving them half assed free for sticking their nose into a fight.

There is no real risk for the repper and he may disengage after turning the tide of a battle at ANY TIME.

Game Mechanic Example

  • I war dec a corporation .... one of its pilots decides to flaunt a ship I can easily kill infront of me.

  • I start shooting the ship ... all of a sudden his ALT (who is hugging a station -or- a warp gate) starts remote repping him

  • His alt is now aggressed to me ... leaving me the option to shoot the original target -or- shoot the remote repper.

  • So if I shoot the remote repper ... he is allowed to dock up or jump through the gate anytime he feels comfortable ... He doesn't have to wait the NORMAL 1 minute de-aggro to do so. In which I could probably kill him during that de-aggro time and punish him for sticking his nose in our war.

  • If I ignore the repper ... i'm fighting a losing battle against a ship i can normally take.


Suggested Fix


NORMAL aggression timer when concerning DOCKING & Gate JUMPING ... which is 14 mins ... which 1 minute of that you can't dock -or- jump.


Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
Posted - 2009.05.20 14:40:00 - [2]
 

Suggested fix that is already implemented:

1. stop pvp'ing in empire
2. stop playing station games
3. ??????????????????????????
4. profit!

No need for additional fixes.

Not supported.

Tyleritus
Mortis Angelus
Posted - 2009.05.20 23:40:00 - [3]
 

Supported


Dimension Overlord
TEMPLAR.
Gentlemen's Club
Posted - 2009.05.20 23:45:00 - [4]
 

supported 100%

McAcabtr
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.05.20 23:47:00 - [5]
 

I heard this was classed as common sense is this why its not been implemented with the rest of the aggression mechanics?

sukmanobov
Minmatar
The Priesthood
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.05.20 23:48:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: sukmanobov on 06/05/2010 23:14:59
Edited by: sukmanobov on 20/05/2009 23:49:08
supported.

Repping alts have a easy life. time to shake it up alittle buy giving them agrrestion timers,

don't forget that RR ships don't need guns if your just repping so you can have a huge tank to wait out the agression timer.
I don't see the problem with them getting agression timers.

Adding and abetting the enemy!

Editing: for PB's reincarnation of this post 05/05/10

I now have a alt that can RR silly amounts of armor/sheilds only because everyone else does it and its near impossible to fight WT's/CanFlippers now without it.
I still agree with no out of corp remote reppers and would be glad to move my alt into privs if thats whats needed. tbh tho get a pair of B**ls and actauly fight 1v1 or gtfo of the game and go play somin else i do not use my RR unless they bring out there own. I took a hyperion down to 5% hull in a Cane whilest my alt watched as he did not use RR/neutrals only his local rep mods this was a fair fight and a bloody good one! coudos to that pilot for actualy having the B**ls to fight me fairly.

ElvisKlump
Posted - 2009.05.20 23:50:00 - [7]
 

Adding my support i'm looking forward to starting eve 100% and when I do i'm going to War Dec.

Sombra Escarlate
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.20 23:51:00 - [8]
 

1.war declarations are there to allow PvP in empire woot woot but your belief that we only PvP in empire is wrong to start with Rolling Eyes
2.so i suppose no one EVER camps a station in low sec or 0.0 mmm o.0
3.Shocked
4.thx for the lootz \o/

i support this so that anyone getting involved in a fight has the same jeopardy as anyone else involved in the war


V0rtigern
Posted - 2009.05.20 23:55:00 - [9]
 

If you interfere with a PVP action you deserve the same consequence this is EvE after all, actions must have a consequence!

XapiD
Posted - 2009.05.20 23:59:00 - [10]
 

Supported.

morpherio
Amarr
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Posted - 2009.05.21 00:17:00 - [11]
 

makes sense!

Angela Constantine
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.05.21 01:14:00 - [12]
 


Kretin
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.21 01:23:00 - [13]
 

Definitely supported

Yarik Mendel
Amarr
Red Horizon Inc
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.05.21 02:08:00 - [14]
 

supported

Kilz0r
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.05.21 02:50:00 - [15]
 

this is so broken right now, anyone can screw with anyone's fight without a shred of consequence.

supported.

Greenlike ish
Posted - 2009.05.21 05:05:00 - [16]
 

I support

Ignition SemperFi
No Falcons Allowed

Posted - 2009.05.21 05:40:00 - [17]
 

supported as long as its only docking and gate jumping aggression that comes into play.

just like if you rep someone with a GCC, the remote repper gets a gcc.

It shouldnt bring concord though if you rep someone, due to abuse, just the aggression timer

Brother Agenos
Maelstrom Crew
Paradigm Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.21 08:19:00 - [18]
 

supported

Gigolo Jo
Gallente
Method of Destruction
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.21 09:51:00 - [19]
 

supported

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.21 11:36:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Ignition SemperFi
supported as long as its only docking and gate jumping aggression that comes into play.

just like if you rep someone with a GCC, the remote repper gets a gcc.

It shouldnt bring concord though if you rep someone, due to abuse, just the aggression timer


Agreed and supported

Soldis
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe

Posted - 2009.05.21 12:23:00 - [21]
 

supported

Lee Dalton
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.05.21 12:37:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Lee Dalton on 21/05/2009 12:37:02
Supported yet again.

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.05.21 12:41:00 - [23]
 

Dear God supported!

Xiaodown
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.05.21 13:20:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Ignition SemperFi
supported as long as its only docking and gate jumping aggression that comes into play.

just like if you rep someone with a GCC, the remote repper gets a gcc.

It shouldnt bring concord though if you rep someone, due to abuse, just the aggression timer


Agreed and supported


Supporting this because it needs to be supported. And because Hardin is cool.

boardin
Posted - 2009.05.21 14:37:00 - [25]
 

Supported

Johncrab
Minmatar
Teram Odator Rilfur Pegastur

Posted - 2009.05.21 14:44:00 - [26]
 

Agreed, supported and shouting for changes

Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
Posted - 2009.05.21 15:38:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Sombra Escarlate
1.war declarations are there to allow PvP in empire woot woot but your belief that we only PvP in empire is wrong to start with Rolling Eyes
2.so i suppose no one EVER camps a station in low sec or 0.0 mmm o.0
3.Shocked
4.thx for the lootz \o/

i support this so that anyone getting involved in a fight has the same jeopardy as anyone else involved in the war




1. Never said any such thing. Whatever you're smoking, stop smoking it. I just said stop doing it in empire.
2. Lowsec is also part empire fyi. Many systems in 0.0 don't have stations in them, and you can shoot whoever you like in 0.0, without worrying about concord. Besides, I never said any such thing. I said: stop playing station games. Problem solved.
3. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to startle youLaughing
4. As long as you're in empire, you won't get any of my lootEmbarassed

0/10 try again

Political Prisoner
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.05.21 15:41:00 - [28]
 

risk -vs- reward ... imbalance here ... support


Sacha Sinclair
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.05.21 17:26:00 - [29]
 


spinarax
Spawns of Thanatos
Gentlemen's Club
Posted - 2009.05.21 17:30:00 - [30]
 

/supported

Originally by: Fille Balle
Suggested fix that is already implemented:

1. stop pvp'ing in empire
2. stop playing station games
3. ??????????????????????????
4. profit!

No need for additional fixes.

Not supported.


this also involves gates and do you even understand agro mechanics? this have nothing to do with where you pvp.




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