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Serpents smile
Posted - 2009.05.19 12:07:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: DJTheBaron
Goth girls & rock chics are the best.


They look great, but your life will turn hell (and not in a good way). Confused



Just tie them up. Razz

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2009.05.19 12:08:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: DJTheBaron
Goth girls & rock chics are the best.


They look great, but your life will turn hell (and not in a good way). Confused



Just tie them up. Razz


Actually that might've solved alot of issues I had with my last two gf's.. hmm. Razz

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2009.05.19 12:25:00 - [33]
 

I'd just like to point out that this is the Daily Telegraph, who are.... not known for being terribly accurate. In that they tend to dumb down their articles for the lowest commmon denominator.

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2009.05.19 12:36:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Nyphur on 19/05/2009 12:37:29


It makes sense. EVE Online has reached relative market saturation in a growing market. More targetted advertising and word of mouth can only go so far, EVE's growth is restricted by the growth of the MMO market and particularly their chosen niche (25-30 male sci-fi fans). This is likely to increase by Star Trek Online and SWToR bringing in heaploads of new players to this market with the popularity of their IP, some of which will eventually bleed into EVE. Due to EVE's higher than average player retention, as long as the competing games don't have higher player retention rates, those players will tend to accumulate in EVE and it should still see steady growth. But to grow the market quickly requires targeting a new niche entirely and WoD doing that makes sense.

You'll see companies like Funcom, SOE and NCsoft are currently trying to get a game in every bracket they can think of as a way to diversify their product line and lower risk. It's a bit silly when one studio is putting out so many games but it's at least in theory a good idea from a classical marketing standpoint (See the trouble General Motors went through in the 1960s and how they solved it by placing a car in each price bracket). For CCP, it makes more sense to go for maximum penetration of one new niche with the goal that they would dominate this new market. Their current revenue stream is solid and significant, they don't need to diversify so heavily to lower financial risk.

With any luck, WoD will top its genre and see similar a growth pattern to EVE. Though I'd be interested to see how much of an initial influx of players it gains and where those players come from. I think that's key to understanding and explaining any post-launch player retention issues the game may have. Much better than not being able to explain the dropping number of subs and then having to hide the sub numbers from investors like AoC has :p.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.05.19 13:10:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Nyphur
Edited by: Nyphur on 19/05/2009 12:37:29


It makes sense. EVE Online has reached relative market saturation in a growing market.


Um, 25% increase in subs in less than 6 months is "saturated"? That's the kind of saturation most companies would be pretty happy with.

Terror Dactyl
Posted - 2009.05.19 13:16:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Nyphur
Edited by: Nyphur on 19/05/2009 12:37:29
EVE's growth is restricted by the growth of the MMO market and particularly their chosen niche (25-30 male sci-fi fans).



Did CCP really choose that niche of 25-30 (I agreed with the rest of your post)? None of the people I play EvE with fit in that age bracket, including myself... Because of the relative complexity of EvE and higher levels of concentration required, I would have thought it appeals to a higher age bracket (just an assumption)? I know of a pensioner who played until last year (he got podded in real life and didn't have an up-to-date clone unfortunately... ahem)...

I would like to see some sort of stats for market demographic for the eve player-base if anyone knows of any?

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.05.19 13:22:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Tiny Tove
Gosh it almost made me think that this is a for profit endeavour that makes each and every decision based on how much coin it will generate for the shareholders regardless of whether you're a carebear or a pirate. Geee what were the odds?


Train Reading I to avoid making yourself look silly.


Even non-public companies can have shareholders.

Terror Dactyl
Posted - 2009.05.19 13:28:00 - [38]
 

Quote:
"The Russian players are particularly good at the military aspects of the game," he says, adding that each nationality has its forté.


By extension then, the English are great at forming an orderly queue at the Jita Stargate and not complaining too much... The North Americans invade a region to get it's resources whilst not caring a jot about the indigenous peoples... The French complain and go on strike whenever CCP nerfs something, or, in reality, whenever they feel like it... I was going to add something about middle-eastern types and suicide ganking, but that would be in poor taste...

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2009.05.19 13:29:00 - [39]
 

Congratulations CCP for winning the "Vision & Future Growth Potential" Award.

I think that is well deserved Cool

Great Artista
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.05.19 13:35:00 - [40]
 

Quote:
...with players piloting ships resembling the Starship Enterprise...
No thanks. ugh

And aye, congrats to CCP for the prize.

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2009.05.19 16:40:00 - [41]
 

Where did the Telegraph get $15 a month from?

That's pretty cheap, I wouldn't mind paying the equivilent of $15 a month.

Try more like 15 euros's + transaction fee a month.

Absolute best price you can get online is buying US GTC's for $17.50 a month.

Dillon Arklight
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.05.19 18:57:00 - [42]
 

Nice find.

While the article may not be terribly accurate it is publicity which can only help CCP with attracting more 'escapists' to the game.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2009.05.19 19:08:00 - [43]
 

Will "World of Darkness" have "Coffin Camping" and "Coven Blob warfare" ?


I don't think the 18-25 year old female demographic will like that - but that would add truth to "EMORAGEQUIT".

Viqer Fell
Minmatar
RETRIBUTIONS.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2009.05.19 19:09:00 - [44]
 

What are they banging on about escapsts for?

I haven't been out of my pod in bloody months.

Ghoest
Posted - 2009.05.19 19:30:00 - [45]
 

Its interesting they they actually admit WD is aimed at chicks. I suspect there will be plenty of gay guys though.

Lardarz B'stard
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2009.05.19 19:33:00 - [46]
 

Quote:
The Russian players are particularly good at the military aspects of the game



Malvaceae Veri
Caldari
artemiss' path Corp
Legem Terrae
Posted - 2009.05.19 19:34:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Will "World of Darkness" have "Coffin Camping" and "Coven Blob warfare" ?


I don't think the 18-25 year old female demographic will like that - but that would add truth to "EMORAGEQUIT".


Imho, a truly well-executed representation of the WoD gorup combat mechanics should make that impossible.

Besides, there is always the sewer.

What really interest me is how they are going to implement ghouls, if at all. Would be cool to have some "minions" who can walk in daylight and do your bidding. Hey, what about dual charring? Nighttime, you play your vampire character, in daytime, you play your ghoul.

I am so going to make a Malkavian. Or a Daughter of Cacophony if bloodlines are going to be implemented. I sure hope the demented, all-seeing, nothing-interpreting foresight of our borcken little selves will be implemented well.

As for my earlier booing of the game and its targets, disregard it as a barin fat, the exams are eating away what is left of my mind after a child of the Great Shatterer of Realities Falsehood has made my blood flow with distruption and distortion, and the daimon within me claims ever new terriotires of my sleves with each moth I guide into a cnadle.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.05.19 19:37:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Terror Dactyl
Quote:
"The Russian players are particularly good at the military aspects of the game," he says, adding that each nationality has its forté.


By extension then, the English are great at forming an orderly queue at the Jita Stargate and not complaining too much... The North Americans invade a region to get it's resources whilst not caring a jot about the indigenous peoples... The French complain and go on strike whenever CCP nerfs something, or, in reality, whenever they feel like it... I was going to add something about middle-eastern types and suicide ganking, but that would be in poor taste...



That sounds surprisingly accurate. Where English = Highsec dwellers. North Americans = Goons (They invade BoB space to grab what they can in the cluster****) and French = TCF, who have the biggest alliance(s) in eve napped and surrender any fight they somehow manage to come out in equal odds against.

Karpathias
Posted - 2009.05.19 19:39:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Where did the Telegraph get $15 a month from?

That's pretty cheap, I wouldn't mind paying the equivilent of $15 a month.

Try more like 15 euros's + transaction fee a month.

Absolute best price you can get online is buying US GTC's for $17.50 a month.


I pay $14.95/month

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.05.19 19:40:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Terror Dactyl
Quote:
"The Russian players are particularly good at the military aspects of the game," he says, adding that each nationality has its forté.


By extension then, the English are great at forming an orderly queue at the Jita Stargate and not complaining too much... The North Americans invade a region to get it's resources whilst not caring a jot about the indigenous peoples... The French complain and go on strike whenever CCP nerfs something, or, in reality, whenever they feel like it... I was going to add something about middle-eastern types and suicide ganking, but that would be in poor taste...



That sounds surprisingly accurate. Where English = Highsec dwellers. North Americans = Goons (They invade BoB space to grab what they can in the cluster****) and French = TCF, who have the biggest alliance(s) in eve napped and surrender any fight they somehow manage to come out in equal odds against.


I lol'ed cause its mostly true. Laughing Shocked

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.05.19 19:49:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Where did the Telegraph get $15 a month from?

That's pretty cheap, I wouldn't mind paying the equivilent of $15 a month.

Try more like 15 euros's + transaction fee a month.

Absolute best price you can get online is buying US GTC's for $17.50 a month.


Speak for yourself - I'm paying £14.99 per 2 months for the rest of the year.

BTW I thought you were quitting eve because you didn't manage to get any cheap play.co box sets which was CCPs fault or something.

TimGascoigne
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.05.19 19:54:00 - [52]
 

and in the next article it looks I have been claiming MPs expenses for my eve subscription.

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2009.05.19 20:33:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Nyphur on 19/05/2009 20:33:39
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Nyphur
It makes sense. EVE Online has reached relative market saturation in a growing market.


Um, 25% increase in subs in less than 6 months is "saturated"? That's the kind of saturation most companies would be pretty happy with.

No, you're missing the point. A lot of the increase in subscription numbers can be easily attributed to the growth of the MMO market as a whole and specifically the sci-fi genre, which is expanding due to non-fantasy MMOs becoming more popular, which is a result of the fantasy MMO market being saturated. CCP have retained a relatively high level of market penetration within their chosen niche, it's just that the niche is expanding. I'm not saying CCP's chosen market niche is saturated and the sky is falling, I'm saying CCP holds a very high portion of that niche and that it's expanding, which is a very good position for CCP. In fact, it's brilliant that their main competition coming is a Star Trek MMO and a Star Wars MMO as these are more likely to bring in players from outside the market than to steal those inside it that CCP needs. Black Prophecy is the only real contender on the horizon and I still don't know what its gameplay is like.

Originally by: Terror Dactyl
Did CCP really choose that niche of 25-30 (I agreed with the rest of your post)?

It's highly likely that CCP just released the game and then watched what type of person makes up the majority of players. That's how most businesses "select" their target niche, they just fling a good product out and see who likes it. It's only after the current demographics have been identified that a company can go on to target them more directly. I'd imagine the vast majority of players actually do fall within that niche.

Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
Posted - 2009.05.19 21:49:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Terror Dactyl
The French complain and go on strike whenever CCP nerfs something, or, in reality, whenever they feel like it...


Being french myself, that one made me lol, I can't disagree, really Laughing

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2009.05.19 21:51:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Where did the Telegraph get $15 a month from?

That's pretty cheap, I wouldn't mind paying the equivilent of $15 a month.

Try more like 15 euros's + transaction fee a month.

Absolute best price you can get online is buying US GTC's for $17.50 a month.


Speak for yourself - I'm paying £14.99 per 2 months for the rest of the year.

BTW I thought you were quitting eve because you didn't manage to get any cheap play.co box sets which was CCPs fault or something.


I remember saying I'm paying with ISK for GTC's from now on if I don't come across a deal as good as the play.com one as it was the last straw for me on the crappy pricing they do for UK.

A lot of American boxsets would all get brought up by Brits if there were allowed to ship them, I've seen them at good prices if you convert the currency, which just goes to show.


Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2009.05.19 23:36:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Nyphur
Edited by: Nyphur on 19/05/2009 12:37:29


It makes sense. EVE Online has reached relative market saturation in a growing market.


Um, 25% increase in subs in less than 6 months is "saturated"? That's the kind of saturation most companies would be pretty happy with.


Subs != players.

Of that 25% increase, about half are new alts for a guy called "Imperian", the rest are Goon capital alts.

Captain Megadeath
Posted - 2009.05.19 23:37:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Where did the Telegraph get $15 a month from?

That's pretty cheap, I wouldn't mind paying the equivilent of $15 a month.

Try more like 15 euros's + transaction fee a month.

Absolute best price you can get online is buying US GTC's for $17.50 a month.


Swings and roundabouts.

Didn't hear a peep from you when the UK was paying about £9/month.

Instead of blaming CCP, blame the dictator Gordon brown and his cronies.

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2009.05.19 23:45:00 - [58]
 

Naughty 5pindizzy, correcting the telegraph article. *Slaps self* Happy yet?

Next flame plz.

Tiny Tove
Posted - 2009.05.20 09:49:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Tiny Tove
Gosh it almost made me think that this is a for profit endeavour that makes each and every decision based on how much coin it will generate for the shareholders regardless of whether you're a carebear or a pirate. Geee what were the odds?


Train Reading I to avoid making yourself look silly.


Even non-public companies can have shareholders.


I didn't want to be the one to break it to him, he seemed so.... knowing... and confident... it was almost as though he's had literally years of experience of pointless trolling....

Micia
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2009.05.20 10:03:00 - [60]
 

Quote:
Mr Veigar Pétursson, the company's former chief technology officer, was instrumental in creating the game, he does not get time to play it.


Colour me PO'd at the past week's (and ongoing current) crippling bug issues, but I think he should maybe try loggin' in to see what's up. Mad


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