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Drakoulia
Caldari
Resource Collection and Management
Tri Sol Syndicate
Posted - 2009.05.16 02:13:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Please do not just delete these completely. Instead, why not put them in a separate chronicles section, "old and now obsolete". This accomplishes the same end result, but lets anyone who is interested in EVE's history go back and read them. You know, just like how all the old videos are still available to watch, even if they are no longer relevant.

Echoing this. It's better to have a reference to the old inaccurate documents than simply lose them. You never know what neat ideas might evolve out of them that can be fitted into canon.

I also enjoy reading many of the stories there, even if they might not be 'canon'. A separate section would be better than worrying about what stories I missed and will now never be able to read.

Kathryn Dougans
Amarr
Posted - 2009.05.17 16:24:00 - [32]
 

the "One man too many" chronicle is broken :(

Morgan Brykein
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.05.18 07:32:00 - [33]
 

Whoever controls the past controls the future. We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

Sorry, just had to say it.

Awesome work. Must've been tough.

Dementus Blanc
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.05.18 14:25:00 - [34]
 

Stairway to Heaven is another chronicle that looks like it could do with a rewrite or a straight chop.

I for one am happy to see this effort, though. Retcon doesn't have to be a bad thing, as evidenced by Blizzard's near-brutalization of their own lore. Sometimes this stuff has just been allowed to become too large, contradicting and tangled to be able to effectively move forward with it.

Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Mordus Angels
Posted - 2009.05.20 02:20:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Eventy One on 20/05/2009 02:21:00
With respect to the argument, obsolete chronicles should not simply be purged, people have alluded to modifications or a separate section, rather than simple deletions.

Can I also suggest using the tactic of explaining inconsistencies rather than getting rid of them altogether. Our own histories (in RL) have inconsistencies. Attributing the inconsistencies that arise from particularly difficult lore could be a simple as:

"... took place in the year 12314, according to the Gallente historian Irk, however Gallente historians are notoriously known for inaccuracies in their work, and for modifying history . Most competant historians (such as Caldari ones) agree the date was more likely 12354."

Etc.

Only the substantive bits of lore need absolute resolution. If the difficult bit of inconsistency isn't instrumental in the overal EVE story, and can be explained away in terms of other factors, such as the info was seen to be correct at the time, but additional scholarship has proven it incorrect, problems can be somewhat tolerated.

I don't think the goal should be as comprehensive as removing all problems from EVE lore.

Vherkin
Amarr
War Cake
Posted - 2009.05.24 03:21:00 - [36]
 

Well, its sad to remove these history, put them in a special section.

And for the The Tierijev Pocket, i think is easier to change an in-game sovreignty than a book novel. Even if you have to create an alternate route for the gallente militia.

Or atleast, add a correction in the eve site about the novel.
"We are sorry people Tierijev Pocket was not the place they think to attack in the novel but..."

Kaito Haakkainen
Posted - 2009.05.26 21:00:00 - [37]
 

Verge Vendors in-game description will also need to be changed:

Originally by: Verge Vendor
While otherwise unnotable, Verge Vendor is the home to one of the most infamous experiments of all time. Tierijev is found in Verge Vendor, the site of a doomed cooperative between the Caldari State and the Gallente Federation. While the ripples of Tierijev have long since settled, Verge Vendor still evokes memories of cooperation for the sake of scientific progress in many. As such, the number of young, idealistic scientists found in the region is disproportionately higher than found in other larger, richer areas. Many dream of the day the hope of Tierijev set won't be a simple one-off, but rather a blueprint for greater scientific harmony throughout the galaxy.

Kaito Haakkainen
Posted - 2009.05.29 11:59:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Kaito Haakkainen on 03/06/2009 17:16:14
Edited by: Kaito Haakkainen on 31/05/2009 16:50:54
Still going with the Guristas faction being only 10 years old?
They seem remarkably well connected, organized, and equipped for it, but it's not impossible.

There's also no mention of the severe memory loss and reduced motor functions Fatal received from his podding during the Crielere event, which may be worth mentioning in the "Fatal and The rabbit" chronicle.

(The Rabbit would probably like his capital "R" back too. Very Happy )

EDIT: Going through a lot of the PF right now to get a good grip on the Caldari backstory, will post up any other oddities here unless I should be posting them elsewhere.

Fatal and the Rabbit: It's been more than a "few months" since the ambassadors kidnapping.

The Breakout: "he managed to beat the advancing Gallente ships off and retreat to the moon of Floreau."
I don't care how flowery the moon is or how phallic they look, there's no excuse for a Caldari war hero to be "beating off" Gallente ships. I'm just fussy but it strikes me as a poor choice of words. Laughing

Prophesy of Macaper: "in recent months the eyes of the world have increasingly turned towards this old tome for explanations." should be years.

Rebel with a Cause: "Ten years ago" giving the year rather than how long ago it was would save having all these outdated references, a trend I've seen in a couple of the changes made already.

The Peralles Incident: "In recent months"

New horizons: "The effect was that the Caldari thought of them as Caldari first, their corporation came second, with the bloodline they belonged to a distant third." should perhaps read "thought of themselves as Caldari first".

I stopped here as the rest of the chronicles may see many changes, however one quote from The Science of Never Again caught my eye: "He overcame the cerebral deficiencies required for effective starship command through the use of cyber implants"
This makes being a capsuleer a simple matter of money, hugely undermining the prestige of the position and leaving one to wonder why almost anyone with a good bit of money behind them isn't a capsuleer given our independent status, special exceptions from local laws, and access to cloning technology.

Kaito Haakkainen
Posted - 2009.06.23 18:26:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Kaito Haakkainen on 23/06/2009 19:09:42
Edited by: Kaito Haakkainen on 23/06/2009 18:54:51

Ruthless

Riddled with issues, most of which are ranted about elsewhere, though I did spot some a couple of items other have either missed or haven't massively whined about.

There's some time-traveling Protein Delicacies on Ralirashi's shirt, existing there several years before their creation by SuVee. Stranger still they're on a Caldari shirt, and the news surrounding the scandal stated there was no demand for the product within the State.

The period of 10 years between death of Otro's father and the main events of the story conflicts with the 10yr age of the Guristas as does the organizations existance, let alone their highly established infrastructure, fleet, and spy-network in a story seemingly set before Fatal and The Rabbit stole their first Condors.

...they aren't really still flying those are they? The chron says they are but I wouldn't trust a Condor to deliver my breakfast in one piece.

Although I imagine with Tony ret-conning the Scorp to being the States first BS this will change either way, the description on the Rattlesnake says that The Rabbit may have designed the Scorpion which probably makes the Guristas almost as old as the State.

"Besides Fatal himself, I don’t believe that any one man caused more damage to the Navy than Bane did" - Is it just me or does Tony forget the existence of The Rabbit for most of this story despite it being heavily Gurista-centric. Perhaps Bane really did do more harm, but that's quite a stretch since The Rabbit seems to be the technical-genius and mastermind upon which, for all Fatal's charisma and leadership, the success and specific direction of the Guristas has largely rested.

Saki Archeus
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.07.04 19:20:00 - [40]
 

ok, here's some questions about some inconsistencies and gaps:
- how did they find out about the other solar systems? Sometimes it mentions stargate creation, othertimes that there are ancient stargates already there.
- how did the Amarr find the Minmatar empire? you only mention the creation of one stargate in the timeline
- what were the first ships of each race?
- if the races hadn't had ships yet, how did they navigate into eve? and how did the Minmatar manage to colonize Pator without a spaceship to move there?
Originally by: "Amarr introduction"

In recent years, however, the Amarrians have begun to run into serious opposition. First, they met the Gallente Federation. Although much smaller than the Amarr Empire, the Amarrians soon found the economic and military might of the Gallenteans a match for their own.

what is this Gallente opposition?


Raem Civrie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.07.08 11:47:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Saki Archeus

Originally by: "Amarr introduction"

In recent years, however, the Amarrians have begun to run into serious opposition. First, they met the Gallente Federation. Although much smaller than the Amarr Empire, the Amarrians soon found the economic and military might of the Gallenteans a match for their own.

what is this Gallente opposition?



Presumably they opposed being subservient slaves. Which would explain why there's a Gallente Federation rather than the Gamarr Theocracy.

Kaito Haakkainen
Posted - 2009.08.02 13:57:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: CCP Gnauton
This project will continue to be a work in progress for the next few months. Every few weeks you should see a new changelist where the latest fixes have been put up for your perusal, and we’re aiming to have the project fully completed by this summer.


Any chance of a report on what progress has been made over the last 12 weeks as there has been no new changelist, a quarter of the year has passed, and autumn approaches.

Vime
Caldari
Posted - 2009.08.09 22:53:00 - [43]
 

Good that you're fact-checking, but what about the grammatical and word choice errors? I've found quite a few in the two-page scientific article 'Faster Than Light Communication' and even more that I haven't finished documenting yet in the chronicle 'The Spirit of Crielere'. Who would I contact about these? A petition seemed like overkill...

Nachshon
Caldari
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2009.08.28 18:38:00 - [44]
 

You know, there's room to elaborate on the initial Amarr-Gallente contact. Did it happen before or after the Caldari-Gallente war? Was there in fact a brief Amarr-Gallente war?

Kaito Haakkainen
Posted - 2009.09.03 12:15:00 - [45]
 

Another month, another request for a progress update.

Kaito Haakkainen
Posted - 2009.10.03 11:32:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Kaito Haakkainen
Another month, another request for a progress update.

Kaito Haakkainen
Posted - 2009.12.01 17:31:00 - [47]
 

Another two months, another request for an update.

7 months now without any of the change-lists that were supposed to posted every few weeks.
Summer has come and gone, as has autumn, and and while I realize that was never intended to be a deadline it would be appreciated if we could hear something, anything, on what is going on with the prime-fiction changes.

Trabber Shir
Caldari
5I Incorporated
Posted - 2009.12.08 18:13:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Kaito Haakkainen
Another two months, another request for an update.

7 months now without any of the change-lists that were supposed to posted every few weeks.
Summer has come and gone, as has autumn, and and while I realize that was never intended to be a deadline it would be appreciated if we could hear something, anything, on what is going on with the prime-fiction changes.


It looks obvious to me. This was just one of those things they picked up without realizing how big of a job it was. Letting the retcon project die quietly and leaving the contradiction doesn't disturb the fan base nearly as much as announcing they can't do it without a complete rewrite, or announcing that they are canceling the project.

Vherkin
Amarr
War Cake
Posted - 2009.12.18 10:36:00 - [49]
 

It's sad, loved the idea of that projet.
But 7 month without update ?
Probably dead and forgetten by ccp.

Cyberman Mastermind
Posted - 2010.01.08 21:17:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: CCP Gnauton
  • Fixed an error in Chronicle “The Hanging Long-Limb” where it was implied that capsuleers routinely spend weeks or months at a time in the capsule without emerging.


I think the correct word is "retcon", not "fix".

Also, the text is now missing a closing. A dot, or some more text?


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