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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.05.08 16:32:00 - [1]
 

Amarr has always been a drone heavy race along with Gallente. The Legion needs drone bays on more of its offensive subsystems - even if they're tiny pittance drone bays. This ship lags behind the other t3 cruisers in a lot of ways, and giving them 25m3 drone bay on liquid crystal magnifiers, for example, would help a lot.

DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
Posted - 2009.05.08 17:03:00 - [2]
 

You're closet Gallente, the sooner you get out the sooner you can field more murderous death machines.

Arushia
Nova Labs
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2009.05.08 18:41:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Arushia on 08/05/2009 18:43:12
Edited by: Arushia on 08/05/2009 18:42:29
Both the Drone Synthesis projector subsystems need a boost.

Proteus:
Hybrid Propulsion Armature and Dissonic Encoding platform give capabilities on par with the Deimos; a tech-2 ship.
Drone Synthesis Projector gives capabilities on par with the Vexor; a tech-1 ship.

Legion:
Assault Optimization gives capabilities on par with the Sacrilege; a tech-2 ship.
Liquid Crystal Magnifiers give capabilities on par with the Zealot; a tech-2 ship.
Drone Synthesis Projector gives capabilities on par with the Arbitrator; a tech-1 ship.

And yes, the other legion subsystems deserve a small (10-25) drone bay.

Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Frontier Venture
Posted - 2009.05.09 02:55:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 09/05/2009 03:01:54
Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 09/05/2009 02:55:22
Originally by: Arushia
Edited by: Arushia on 08/05/2009 18:43:12
Edited by: Arushia on 08/05/2009 18:42:29
Both the Drone Synthesis projector subsystems need a boost.

Proteus:
Hybrid Propulsion Armature and Dissonic Encoding platform give capabilities on par with the Deimos; a tech-2 ship.
Drone Synthesis Projector gives capabilities on par with the Vexor; a tech-1 ship.

Legion:
Assault Optimization gives capabilities on par with the Sacrilege; a tech-2 ship.
Liquid Crystal Magnifiers give capabilities on par with the Zealot; a tech-2 ship.
Drone Synthesis Projector gives capabilities on par with the Arbitrator; a tech-1 ship.

And yes, the other legion subsystems deserve a small (10-25) drone bay.


If you actually bothered to look harder, the Legion gets a 200M3 Dronebay whereas the Arb/Curse gets 150M3. Also, I believe the Legion can out-tank the other ships and outperform. I see no reason to change them.

Also, if you happen to look at the Zealot/Sac, they have 15m3 or less dronebays. Again, I fail to see the need to add drones onto the Legion's other subsystems.

--Isaac

Narfas Deteis
Posted - 2009.05.09 10:00:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Isaac Starstriker

Also, if you happen to look at the Zealot/Sac, they have 15m3 or less dronebays. Again, I fail to see the need to add drones onto the Legion's other subsystems.

--Isaac


Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Subsystem Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to kinetic missile damage per level
7.5% bonus to Heavy, Heavy Assault and Assault missile launcher rate of fire per level
10% bonus to heavy missile and heavy assault missile velocity per level

Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Subsystem Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to heavy assault missile damage per level
5% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire per level

So... maybe it would be a good idea to make this Legion subsystem more similiary to Sacrilege and give it few drones, just to compensate lack of missile bonuses.
Something like:

Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Subsystem Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to heavy assault missile damage per level
5% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire per level
5 m3 drone bay capacity and 5 Mbit/s bandwidth per level

...or just give it few drones.

aldarrin
Posted - 2009.05.09 11:59:00 - [6]
 

For a cruiser that costs as much as a capital ship, I would be ****ed if it had less than a 25 m3 drone bay. In any configuration.

For bandwidth (using most drone friendly subsystems):
Gallente - 125 m3
Amarr - 100 m3
Minmatar - 75 m3
Caldari - 50 m3

But for all, I think the minimum should be equivalent to T1 BCs:
Gallente - 50 m3
Amarr - 25 m3
Minmatar - 40 m3
Caldari - 25 m3

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.05.09 13:07:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: DigitalCommunist
You're closet Gallente, the sooner you get out the sooner you can field more murderous death machines.


That look like johnsons. I'm not closet anything, which is why Gallente doesn't hold much appeal.

But yeah, Legion is definitely lacking in some areas. Caldari (crosstraining for asap) get an unkillably passive-tankable ECM predator, Gallente get a 1000 dps blasterdronehategrinder, Minmatar get the usual garbage scow with awesome web bonuses... and Legion gets the choice of "inferior missile boat," "inferior drone boat," "crappy tanked gunship with no drones and low dps" or "cloaking probing bubble evading stealth hauler."

This thing should be able to crap out five light drones in gunboat configuration. Three heavies/sentries in drone configuration. Right now it's just not as scary as the other three strat cruisers.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.05.09 14:34:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Narfas Deteis

Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Subsystem Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to heavy assault missile damage per level
5% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire per level
5 m3 drone bay capacity and 5 Mbit/s bandwidth per level

...or just give it few drones.


I like this. Or a bonus to assault missile velocity.

Grez
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
Posted - 2009.05.09 16:58:00 - [9]
 

The Legion needs work on everything.

It has the lowest DPS of all T3's, and the lowest DPS tank of all the T3's.

Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Frontier Venture
Posted - 2009.05.09 17:21:00 - [10]
 

Question to anyone replying here:

Have any of you actually flown a Legion and other T3 ships?

I doubt it.

--Isaac

Incantare
Posted - 2009.05.09 20:15:00 - [11]
 

The bonuses on the missile subsystem don't tell the whole story. To fit 6 launchers the Tengu makes some massive fitting sacrifices while the Legion can do so with enough grid to spare for two 1600mm plates and an mwd.

That said I think it should get some drone bay because on top of the lower damage bonus it lacks the range bonus.

I haven't really looked at the gun sub so I won't comment.

Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Question to anyone replying here:

Have any of you actually flown a Legion and other T3 ships?

I doubt it.

--Isaac


Have you?

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.05.09 20:17:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Question to anyone replying here:

Have any of you actually flown a Legion and other T3 ships?

I doubt it.

--Isaac


In one now.

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.05.10 01:22:00 - [13]
 

hopefully they'll beef it up a bit, i'm guessing this is just a case of prenerfing gone too far ;\

aldarrin
Posted - 2009.05.10 04:40:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Question to anyone replying here:

Have any of you actually flown a Legion and other T3 ships?

I doubt it.

--Isaac


You, my friend, might want to get to know the test server. It's a wonderful place. It's where Eve becomes almost like a FPS.

Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
Bloody Amarr's
Posted - 2009.05.10 07:39:00 - [15]
 

prices reflect usefullness of ship, check them loki < legion < proteus < tengu

DragonWarp
Amarr
Forsaken Forerunners
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2009.05.10 22:51:00 - [16]
 

Personally, I feel that both the Proteus and the Legion need a bit of a drone bandwidth boost, mainly the Legion though. Now, I will admit, this is just using EFT, but I gave them both drone fits, and compared damage and tank. They both had around the same level of omni tank, however, the Proteus had two extra low slots, so rather then give it extra tank, I gave it a pair of MFS II's, which caused it to do more dps with three T2 blasters using Null then the Legion using four T2 Pulse with Conflagration. For the same size tank, both stable. Adding in 5 HH II's for the Legion, and 3 Ogre II's and 2 HH II's for the proteus, and the Proteus was doing 30% more dps.

Again, that's just me playing around in EFT, I don't have either of those ships yet. (a blueprint I can't build doesn't count :P )

One of the big problems for me is the lack of low slows on the Legion, but still, having more drone bandwidth would be nice.

Weight What
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.10 22:58:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Question to anyone replying here:

Have any of you actually flown a Legion and other T3 ships?

I doubt it.

--Isaac



Please stop trolling each and every thread, in this forum and Assembly Hall. Your nose looks like a **** and your attitude is just ridiculous. Post something constructive for a change.

To whit:


Originally by: Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball
A skeleton sits on a throne in an empty court. Winds change. Make good on today's deliverances.



I agree with the OP. The Legion's (and, to a certain extent, the Proteus's) drone subsystems definitely need a looking at.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.05.10 23:05:00 - [18]
 

Don't even mention the Proteus. The Proteus can do as much DPS with railguns as the Legion can with pulse lasers. Legion is so hilariously undergunned compared to Proteus it's painful.

Actually, hell. It needs another turret. Just trust me on this. I was right when I said it about the Zealot. The Legion's a supposed gunship, but its dps is barely higher than a Zealot or Absolution, and lower than a Harbinger.

Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Frontier Venture
Posted - 2009.05.11 02:21:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Question to anyone replying here:

Have any of you actually flown a Legion and other T3 ships?

I doubt it.

--Isaac



Please stop trolling each and every thread, in this forum and Assembly Hall. Your nose looks like a **** and your attitude is just ridiculous. Post something constructive for a change.

To whit:


Originally by: Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball
A skeleton sits on a throne in an empty court. Winds change. Make good on today's deliverances.



I agree with the OP. The Legion's (and, to a certain extent, the Proteus's) drone subsystems definitely need a looking at.


Wow, always someone with the personal attacks. I am sorry that you feel that attacking me will shut me up in someway. My opinion however, is still valid. Whether or not you agree with me is your own problem and degrading this thread just because you can't stand the fact that someone doesn't agree with your train of thought is saddening.

--Isaac

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.05.14 13:50:00 - [20]
 

Hey neat! I finished training Amarr Offensive to 5! Now my Legion with faction heatsinks does -almost- as much DPS as my Zealot with T2 heatsinks! Whoopeeeeeee!

Asestorian
Domination.
Posted - 2009.05.14 15:08:00 - [21]
 

Under pain of death I agree with Istvaan. Also the Legion really does need to be more sexyawesome.


 

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