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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2009.07.21 13:39:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Isakova

I don't know what to suggest as its a fun game mechanic, but its completely risk free, ridiculously easy to do, and in many cases highly profitable.


It's not risk free, ninja looters die if they do it to the wrong corp (and no it's not the mission runner shooting them). I both died as a ninja looter and killed ninja looters, so I know.

Darcel Black
Gallente
Aribar Industries
Terminal Ferocity
Posted - 2009.07.21 14:04:00 - [152]
 

I don't know what you're all complaining about, I run missions frequently and I have not once been ninja salvaged Cool

Kiri Serrensun
Posted - 2009.07.21 15:05:00 - [153]
 

Just doing a quick informal survey: How many ninja salvagers currently operating in the game got started because of threads like this?

Bibbleibble
Posted - 2009.07.21 15:06:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: Kiri Serrensun
Just doing a quick informal survey: How many ninja salvagers currently operating in the game got started because of threads like this?


My money is on all except the very first.

Izztyrr Maemtor
Posted - 2009.07.21 15:45:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Kiri Serrensun
Just doing a quick informal survey: How many ninja salvagers currently operating in the game got started because of threads like this?


Me Very Happy

Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
Segregati0n
Posted - 2009.07.21 16:45:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: Isakova
I don't know what to suggest as its a fun game mechanic, but its completely risk free, ridiculously easy to do, and in many cases highly profitable.

It is not risk free if the ninja salvager runs into the wrong people.

For example, the corp I run with has people in it who like to hunt down mission runners and steal their loots (not me because it is to much like work). But these same people in my corp do run missions themselves, in mission hubs, to increase their faction to get more locator agents for when we hunt war targets. Sometimes, just for kicks, we all do the mission together. We look forward to someone busting the mission and taking our loots and bringing back a PvP fit ship.

Man, that would be so funny. Laughing

supr3m3justic3
Caldari
GANK STARZ
Posted - 2009.07.21 16:49:00 - [157]
 

How about carebears get perma-banned from the game?

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.07.21 16:50:00 - [158]
 




ZOMBIE THREAD!!!!!!

BACK FROM THE DEAD!!!!!




Robert Caldera
Posted - 2009.07.21 16:53:00 - [159]
 

/me did it a while... until I had to move far away from motsu

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.07.21 16:56:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Junko Togawa
Originally by: Tippia
In other words, a poor solution I'm a gankbear.

Originally by: Malcanis
I accept this proposal as long as mission rewards and bounties are decreased proportionately with the reduction in risk. About a 95 0% cut would seem to be appropriate.

Originally by: Bullageddon

"Wah I want risk free iskies KB padding!"

There's risk in all aspects of money making in this game, even salvaging griefbaiting. The salvager gankbear is just the risk mission runners have to live with.

deal with it, move ondon't nerf me, I fail at EvE.

There, I fix them for u. Is moar akkurats nao. ugh


First off, if the MR is such a moron that he shoots at a salvage frig with his mission ship, he deserves the loss.

Second, I rarely loot from the MR when I salvage. It has to be an extremely juicy piece of loot or he has to have bugged me for me to steal from him. So I hardly ever go blinky to an MR. I appear, I salvage, I leave.

WAH @ you

Junko Togawa
Caldari
Posted - 2009.07.21 22:05:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Junko Togawa
Originally by: Tippia
In other words, a poor solution I'm a gankbear.

Originally by: Malcanis
I accept this proposal as long as mission rewards and bounties are decreased proportionately with the reduction in risk. About a 95 0% cut would seem to be appropriate.

Originally by: Bullageddon

"Wah I want risk free iskies KB padding!"

There's risk in all aspects of money making in this game, even salvaging griefbaiting. The salvager gankbear is just the risk mission runners have to live with.

deal with it, move ondon't nerf me, I fail at EvE.

There, I fix them for u. Is moar akkurats nao. ugh


First off, if the MR is such a moron that he shoots at a salvage frig with his mission ship, he deserves the loss.

Second, I rarely loot from the MR when I salvage. It has to be an extremely juicy piece of loot or he has to have bugged me for me to steal from him. So I hardly ever go blinky to an MR. I appear, I salvage, I leave.

WAH @ you

Successful troll is successful. Next! Very Happy

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2009.07.21 23:47:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Junko Togawa
Successful troll is successful. Next! Very Happy


Always feed the trolls.

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.07.22 00:00:00 - [163]
 


Quote:
I don't know what to suggest as its a fun game mechanic, but its completely risk free, ridiculously easy to do, and in many cases highly profitable.


Sounds like another ridiculously profitable hisec profession that I can think of.

Quin'gan
Posted - 2009.07.22 00:31:00 - [164]
 

I had 2 ninja salvagers entering the mission i was in - and there's actually only one thing that works. Pop the wrecks just before the ninja's come in range with their salvager.

They came back later, saw who i was - and left.

I have learned my lesson and allways make sure to kill every wreck i produce now. Before i left the stuff for the salvagers - but with the recent rise in the numbers of aggressive ninjas, salvaging while i still do the mission, i dont want to leave anything for them.

My wrecks = my salvage... if not, why can i pop the wrecks with no flag?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.07.22 00:35:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Quin'gan
My wrecks = my salvage... if not, why can i pop the wrecks with no flag?
Correction: your wreck = your loot. The salvage belongs to whomever extracts it first because it doesn't even exist before someone does that. You can pop them because the cans inside them belong to you and you're free to destroy your own stuff at will.

Mr Sean
Posted - 2009.07.22 00:39:00 - [166]
 

WORKING AS INTENDED

:)

Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2009.07.22 00:53:00 - [167]
 

I'll put it simply, the drivel most people love to use is "Risk vs reward" a term they heard coined by whomever they heard it and then follow it like law. But how about this, your risk for your reward? You run missions in complete safety from being a free target. You are free to make isk in relative safety, you are not interrupted by having a single neutral come into system, you are not to worry about being probed out just to get killed. The only thing you have to worry about is some isk loss. And you know what? You can still keep making isk, he isn't gonna be in every single mission you run on.

And you know what I think it really is? It's the fact that you can't helped to be inconvenienced in any way. You say Risk vs Reward like it's a way of life.. until it effects you in any way.

tl;dr:

You risk the salvage of your wrecks so you are not instantly blown up every time you are seen in the same grid.

Stop trying to think that Risk vs Reward is a valid argument, especially when you whine when your reward comes into contact with its risks.

Fennore
Posted - 2009.07.22 01:25:00 - [168]
 

All i can say is Recon 3 of 3 level 4 ugh. I like to stay a little wile and watch the ninjas go pop in the green. Twisted Evil

Zartanic
Posted - 2009.07.22 01:27:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest
I'll put it simply, the drivel most people love to use is "Risk vs reward" a term they heard coined by whomever they heard it and then follow it like law. But how about this, your risk for your reward? You run missions in complete safety from being a free target. You are free to make isk in relative safety, you are not interrupted by having a single neutral come into system, you are not to worry about being probed out just to get killed. The only thing you have to worry about is some isk loss. And you know what? You can still keep making isk, he isn't gonna be in every single mission you run on.

And you know what I think it really is? It's the fact that you can't helped to be inconvenienced in any way. You say Risk vs Reward like it's a way of life.. until it effects you in any way.

tl;dr:

You risk the salvage of your wrecks so you are not instantly blown up every time you are seen in the same grid.

Stop trying to think that Risk vs Reward is a valid argument, especially when you whine when your reward comes into contact with its risks.


Actually I said ages ago risk v reward and looking at it your way I agree. Neither of us have any real risk. I have nothing against players who ninja salvage anyway, its an occupation like any other and its a good way to get new players into the game. The only issue I had was the fast they were not flagged but really that would cause so many other problems in the game I can see the sense in leaving it as it is.

Also I suspect CCP is hoping this will encourage more mission runners in low sec, I'm working on doing that myself. Also WH's are easy to find too and there is plenty of salvage there, even in my rubbish BC Im getting a lot of loot from those. Many I find are virgin and the risk is low even though its nul sec. Anyway they are more fun.




Titan Pilot
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2009.07.22 02:43:00 - [170]
 

last comment about encouraging mission runners to move to low sec lol

listen, these guys in empire are not stupid. half of them are the leet pvpers from 0.0, other half dont have time to gate camp. bottom line is most are just trying to make isk to feed their PVP habit. Sure some are farmers but not all. This whole salvaging debate is stupid. Probe down mission runner, warp to gate, enter, salvage warp out. There is no risk and all reward. Its stupid and CCP likes like to mind frak mission runners with this crap.

CCP: they are not going to jump into low sec to be ganked. Sooner CCP wakes up and realizes it, sooner they can find a way to make this PVP game fun to make isk will shooting douches in the face. The FW reward system might finally put a dent in the problem.

/thread

piloot idioot
Posted - 2009.07.22 02:51:00 - [171]
 

instead of fitting tons of cap rechargers and whinning on the forums. mission runners could fit a.. wel i donno.. warp disruptorShocked

Ohnoes Bobsdead
Posted - 2009.07.22 03:23:00 - [172]
 

I think the problem is related to the invulnerability of NPC Corps. Ninja salvagers, gankers, ISK farmers and the lamest of the pirates hide behind this mechanic. Once you are off your trial you should be out of the NPC corp. If this was the case ninja salvagers would have to worry about being wardecced or a having a Merc corp hired by the carebears. It would certainly make empire life a bit more interesting with a bit more scope for long term grudges and revenge to be worked out.

As for me, Im still taking advantage of it - try and do something about it when I drop into your mission or scout for my main in your 0.0 system.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2009.07.22 05:14:00 - [173]
 

Not sure about joining a corp.

Those of us who work for a living (when we are not in Momma's basement playing MMOs) have to deal with real corporations all day - the drama, the politics, and real-life ninjas only it's not your
wreck and loots they take, its your credit and hard work.

Then there are taxes - PC corps have taxes. RL has taxes (much worse too).

Who wants to continue that on their time off?

Khandara Seraphim
Amarr
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2009.07.22 05:24:00 - [174]
 

I thankfully dont have to mission anymore but the solution is obvious.

Shoot your wrecks!

If a ninja salvager starts heading for your wrecks, just start popping the ones they're going for. After all, the ninja salvagers are there for profit and if you get a reputation for denying them that then soon they won't bother anymore.

Mr Sean
Posted - 2009.07.22 05:41:00 - [175]
 

It's been said a million times - but it seems pretty logical to me that Salvage rights belong to the first person to get the salvage.

Shoot your wrecks. Warp out really fast and see how well the Salvager can tank. Figure something out. Beyond whining about it :P

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.07.22 05:48:00 - [176]
 

Quote:
After all, the ninja salvagers are there for profit


lol wut

Franga
NQX Innovations
Posted - 2009.07.22 11:14:00 - [177]
 

Love these threads. MOAR!

Franga
NQX Innovations
Posted - 2009.07.22 11:16:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Not sure about joining a corp.

Those of us who work for a living (when we are not in Momma's basement playing MMOs) have to deal with real corporations all day - the drama, the politics, and real-life ninjas only it's not your
wreck and loots they take, its your credit and hard work.

Then there are taxes - PC corps have taxes. RL has taxes (much worse too).

Who wants to continue that on their time off?


YEAH! FIGHT THE MAN ... man. You're a true maverick. You buck the trend of playing an MMO to interact with people. Power to you. Don't get sucked into the lies of 'it's fun to be in a corp' or 'being in a corp actually brings benefits'.

Robert Caldera
Posted - 2009.07.22 11:21:00 - [179]
 

Edited by: Robert Caldera on 22/07/2009 11:36:39
I love morons shooting their wrecks :))
Since I'm doing salvaging only secondary for money, primary for fun such MR aren't bugging me at all.
At such behavior I just approach all that fat large filled wrecks first, the most MR realize its dumb blowing the own loot and having it is better than nothing and begin to smack local instead of shooting, if they havent smacked before already :)) hilarious

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2009.07.22 11:27:00 - [180]
 

Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 22/07/2009 11:27:31
I used to run hundreds and hundreds of missions and only once did I ever see an intruder... who stayed for about 1 minute and warped out Confused

Might have something to do with not running my L4s in Motsu Razz


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