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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.05.06 23:33:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 06/05/2009 23:48:58
Don't take this the wrong way it's not anti-china at all.

So I'm living in an apartment of people that were working at sony, people still in school, and resent graduates, as well as people that come over that have resently lost there job as Artist at nearby game companies.

I'm still in school but it worries me hearing that the art industy is drying up with the ecomony the same way factory jobs are drying up.

They have been letting artist go left and right at all mojor game companies. What is going on? I didn't even know a game company could give an artist a pink slip that simply states, "there isn't enough work left for you to do" when the company is banging out major titles.

Just ship the work overseas? WTF? Will I have to move to France just to get a job in 2 years? The wrost part of this is this companies aren't cutting thier programing staff which gets paid more anyways. I know it's just economic of "hey these guys will do it cheaper, that saves us money" but that doesn't help in the long run. OUr econmy is going to ****, and this people are laying off artist now?

Well Go figure these people I hang out with and ***** about it aren't spending money anymore. This is a terrible cycle. If you just keep cutting jobs, like GM did to 30,000 people yesterday, people won't spend money anymore.

And yet the experts seems baffled at the idea that americans aren't spending as much as they used to. Are they dumb?

This whole idea of, We are an american company, but we can pay people that aren't american to do our work, without them even having to move up here is terrible. What are those workers in China going to come over to america and put thier paycheck money back into the system?

Hopefully obama's tax on company that outsrouce will cruve this, making it more expensive to outsrouce than to hire people that live near you.

I just don't get it :( It feel slike ameirca is funneling all of it's money into people that live outside the ecomny, and the rice people that horde it at the top.

If those people that were taking the jobs were going to spend that money on american products and at least get me a job at wallmart I would be happy. But no, they will use that money in china/france/india.

And I can only guess this the same in other counties as well. I wonder if blizzards doing it yet Rolling Eyes It's not about if they have to , or if they can't afford thier artists, it's all about "we need,want more money, so lets cut back spending"

but by cutting back spending by giving to people who's faces you haven't even seen...


Bottom line. I have to work hard on my art to get a job. Then I have to apply to companies. Then I have to meet them and they have to feel like I care about the comnaies and the games they make. And then I have to pass an test "at least for most unless your gods gift to art". ANd finally I have to pass an interview.

But This other people get a job without ever even having to submit a portfolio to the company :( Why do they get to work in the gaming industy without even a resume, or a phone call? Just because they are part of an animation art machine? Maybe I should go work at one of those, seeing as the only way to get a job as an entering artist now would be to move to another county and become a faceless, underpaid, pixel pusher.

I just hope this trend changes by the time I graduate, or I'm moving to canada. Or maybe canada will be just as bad by then.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2009.05.07 02:23:00 - [2]
 

To put it bluntly, corporations are more interested in the immediate bottom line than the health of the economy. They want someone ELSE to fix the economy. Unfortunately, all corporations think this way, so they ALL start screwing the economy over.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.05.07 02:57:00 - [3]
 

Most corporations fail to get the concept that in order to make money, you have to spend money. They only see in quarterly reports, and have no clue about any long-term effects. If they in fact would have invested in the economy now while it's "cheap", they would have gotten ahead when it was over. But instead they're more worried about the CEO's trustfund.

I do think that around half the companies who are laying off a lot of people right now will be bankrupt in 2 to 4 years, or will at least have grown stagnant. For that matter, i guess that 90% of all companies will see a change in directors and CEO's, with the leaving ones taking the brunt of the companies assets with them as a "leaving bonus".

I think it's time for striking again. In a time where the top level managers are more concerned with their own pockets than their companies' welfare and the welfare of their nation, they'll have to be remembered of who does the actual work. I don't think i'd stand for this kind of behaviour if it happened whereever i work. I'd rather get fired than continue working for people who obviously don't care about me or my coworkers, as we're seen as nothing more than disposable assets.

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2009.05.07 05:21:00 - [4]
 

I'm pretty confident you will be able to get a job in 2 years. However - question is will you get paid for it what you excpect to get and will it be on the subject you graduated.

This is kinda global market and if guy in china or india can do the same job cheaper he will get to do it. Situation where 20% of countries in world get 80% of wealth is not something that can be considered long term stable in the light of globalization.

So to compete against developing countries one has to either lower the price to same ballpark (and that might not be feasible solution bcos of living standard being a lot higher in developed country) or ... find something other to do where outsourcing is considerably harder.

JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2009.05.07 06:27:00 - [5]
 


This is interesting, considering that the video-game industry has proven itself to be nearly recession proof (only industry still posting regular profit.)

It just doesn't make sense..

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.05.07 09:55:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: JordanParey

This is interesting, considering that the video-game industry has proven itself to be nearly recession proof (only industry still posting regular profit.)

It just doesn't make sense..


yeah, It's not like this companies are even losing any money. It's just pure greed. Another one of our colleges got his pink slip today at sony.

I Almost want to say that outsourcing should be illegal. At least when a countries unemployment rate goes up to 20%. It should be a crime punishable by law to out source work.

MooKids
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.05.07 11:54:00 - [7]
 

Well, this is EA and Sony we are talking about, two companies that hate their customers and release crap all the time. Do you really think they care about their employees?

Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.07 13:07:00 - [8]
 

Macroeconomic theory tells the story differently.

All trade, including the trade of services, benefits both parts of the trade and the world economy, generating economic surplus.
There are winners and losers when there is free trade, but there is always net gain.

Mr Reeth
Posted - 2009.05.07 16:22:00 - [9]
 

You do know that most American animation is done in Korea right?

Most factory jobs went to Mexico... then left Mexico for China.

Help lines and tech support all went to India.

A crap load of American movies are filmed in Canada.

What made you think you where safe?

EliteSlave
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.05.07 17:08:00 - [10]
 

CCP outsources some their art aswell...

Dong Ninja
Posted - 2009.05.07 17:31:00 - [11]
 

Sony and EA are still terrible (EA has improved, I think it finally caught up to their wallets or someone on the board of directors heard they suck). I don't think I've bought a product from them in years because they aren't game/software/electronic companies, they are a cold business out to make money, not provide a service.

I'd prefer if EA and Sony sucked my **** instead of the other way around. I know losing a job sucks for your friend, but maybe he can land one at a more reputable company that will give him financial security and respect at the same time.

Spore sucked anyway, never did see the appeal to it.

MyOwnSling
Gallente
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.05.07 18:12:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: MyOwnSling on 07/05/2009 18:18:07
Edited by: MyOwnSling on 07/05/2009 18:16:04
Originally by: MotherMoon
an american company
The irony is that Sony is not an American company.
That said, they do have an extremely large presence in America, both in production and sales, so I don't think it exactly invalidates your use of them here.
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Macroeconomic theory tells the story differently.

All trade, including the trade of services, benefits both parts of the trade and the world economy, generating economic surplus.
There are winners and losers when there is free trade, but there is always net gain.
That's funny because I have also been thinking about how much economic theory seems be getting ignored in this recession.

Darkerz Reloaded
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.07 18:19:00 - [13]
 

Start building roads, or work for CCP and paint roads in space

Kelly Dataminer
Posted - 2009.05.07 19:18:00 - [14]
 

Sorry guys but there are certain skill sets which are going to be outsource viable and its only going to get worse. Art is definitely one of those as you don't have language barriers nor medium barriers. Some guy in Sri Lanka can probably do as good a job or better than an overpaid American but for pennies on the dollar. We've already seen this happening with programming and of course labor. Global economics is just like that. As long as we have a global economy but separate national economies/currencies someone will take it up the rear. Usually the higher paid folks.

Obama's tax isn't going to really do anything but make larger companies move their headquarters outside of the US and establish "subsidiaries" in its former location. Thus allowing the companies to give Obama the finger and only allowing work done in the US to be taxed. Some companies have already started this phase. Heck, take a good look at CCP pulling up stakes. Do you think its former nation is going to be able to tax the crap out of them like they used to?

Hate to say it folks but "labor" is dying to automation and a cheaper workforce. "Labor" is now starting to include certain white collar jobs.

And dont' forget, a nation's economy is not the responsibility of a business. A business is there to make money and nothing else unless its charter specifically says so. The economy is up to a balance of government regulation and the purchasing habits of "the people". And right now "the people" want stuff cheap and quick regardless if its made in western nations by skilled laborers of Habib in a cave somewhere in Islamabad. "The people" hold the highest blame, do something about them.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.05.08 01:15:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 08/05/2009 01:30:26
Originally by: EliteSlave
CCP outsources some their art aswell...


yeah, but they didn't hire 50 artists 4 years ago, and then fire them all because someone else would do it cheaper.

Originally by: Mr Reeth
You do know that most American animation is done in Korea right?

Most factory jobs went to Mexico... then left Mexico for China.

Help lines and tech support all went to India.

A crap load of American movies are filmed in Canada.

What made you think you where safe?


Like someone above said, it seemed like the gaming industry was fail=proof :P

also I'm young and naive.

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Paint roads in space


This is the biggest thing, another oil workers resnetly posted here about the same thing. He was told he should move off and work somewhere else. But part of it wanting to live where you allrady are, were yout family, and your lover is.

Also, sure, can someone at CCP show me how to get a job at a place they outsrouce work? Maybe I'll move to france and leave my whole life behind just because of greedy CEOs :/

Maybe america will get so ****y that other counties will outsrouce to here, because our econmy will be so weak some day.

But yeah, working for CCP sounds great, too bad I would have to move to iceland...

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This is interesting, considering that the video-game industry has proven itself to be nearly recession proof (only industry still posting regular profit.)

It just doesn't make sense..


This is what makes me think they have the money, they just don't care, were not artists working on something we love anymore, were a necessary evil...

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.05.08 01:23:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Macroeconomic theory tells the story differently.

All trade, including the trade of services, benefits both parts of the trade and the world economy, generating economic surplus.
There are winners and losers when there is free trade, but there is always net gain.


small issue, americas ecomny crashed in half. This is the reason why we've been losing jobs everywhere right?

This means that the vavle of the american dollar is currently a lie.

If a country is poor "AKA America and it's 3 million layoffs in the past 6 months" and it then outsources, there is an issue.


Think of it way. My dad is a musician. He used to a;most never play in canda, because a buck cost them 1.50. This meant the places up in canada would have to pay him more than the places in the US, just to met the standards of livings amount he had to take home.

Now that the $ dropped, It's less expensive for them.


Think of it this way, If the american $ was cut in half gobaly, out sourcing would be twice as expensive, and american workers would get thier jobs back, because outsourcing would $ in price for those companies. The people doing the art can take the $ and trade it in for a lot more cash. But this is wrong, because america is actully still in an econmic down slide, I have no idea why the $ hasn't gone the way of the icelandic isk.

These companies are giving money to other counties that those people will never put back into our ecomny.

Sure, you are right that the econmies where this money is going are getting better. Hell they might get much, much better. And the better they get, the lower our $ is worth.


Or something...


my point is were poor, and were not even supporting ourselfs.

KISOGOKU
Posted - 2009.05.08 01:33:00 - [17]
 

This is moronic , with same logic i can say other countries should demand more jobs because gaming companies taking out money from other countries they never put back Cool
And if you dont have talent nothing will save you btw
Originally by: MotherMoon

These companies are giving money to other counties that those people will never put back into our ecomny.



Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.08 02:56:00 - [18]
 

Im not all that worried to be honest.

1. Sony and EA release subpar games to begin with.
2. Art can not simply be outsourced to another country. Artists have their own way of doing things, their own styles that they have mastered and to try and get one part of the world to adopt another part of the worlds style of art, even for concept art, is not an easy task.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.05.08 03:03:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Jacob Mei
Im not all that worried to be honest.

1. Sony and EA release subpar games to begin with.
2. Art can not simply be outsourced to another country. Artists have their own way of doing things, their own styles that they have mastered and to try and get one part of the world to adopt another part of the worlds style of art, even for concept art, is not an easy task.


Heh, Thats what I'm hoping.

also, I wasn't just talking about this industy, all industies, who are the people buying fast food, gas, houses, cars in america?

I meant that those people in other counties won't be helping the whole econmy, not the gaming industy.

In fact the gaming industry is the one thing those over sea art people most likely will be putting money back into.

I was talking about local ecomny, the things that determine the value of the dollar.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.05.08 03:42:00 - [20]
 

It doesn't matter how many people the "Industry" sues for copyright infringement for money. They will always want more. Cut costs, increase productivity, increase profit margins. Sue this guy, sue that guy, hell sue his dog for listening to it too!.

This is ample proof. For christ sake Evil or Very Mad

Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.08 07:04:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
These companies are giving money to other counties that those people will never put back into our ecomny.


Which is the best possible outcome. If it never makes it back to the US economy in exchange for goods the US just exchanged valuable service for worthless pieces of paper.
Except it never happens that way. Eventually there will always be an exchange as no nation can continually have a trade deficit (it will balance out, eventually).

Mr Reeth
Posted - 2009.05.08 07:13:00 - [22]
 

Companies always say they are moving to other countries or outsourcing so they can reduce costs and remain competitive. Does anyone think that outsourcing in this case will reduce the cost of games?

The only thing the cooperate heads see is the bottom line. If we don't like that the art is being outsourced we need to just not buy the games. They'll send the jobs back real fast. The problem is that most people just don't care.

KingsGambit
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.05.08 08:59:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: KingsGambit on 08/05/2009 08:59:31
Originally by: MotherMoon
If a country is poor "AKA America and it's 3 million layoffs in the past 6 months" and it then outsources, there is an issue.
This is not the case. You need to think like the man with the purse strings, not as a disgruntled employee. As a company it will cost an amount to employ you to work for them. If you need something that doesn't have a geographical element, that can be conducted by phone/Internet, then you as a company can get that work done anywhere. Now if it costs you $12/hour plus pension, sick pay, annual leave, maternity leave, liability, etc to employ someone local to work for you, or you can pay a company overseas $5/hour to do it for you, which will you choose?

I've oversimplified it a lot, but the illustration is accurate and one reason why China and India's economies are booming now, whilst the West is in recession. I understand your point, that the country really should help its citizens considering the economic climate..it would be a good start. But the fact remains that if a company can get the same work done for less money, they will do that...it's called good business. How many clothing and sports labels use sweat shops in pacific rim and other asian countries? Nike and Gap to name two. Same reason why women aren't always paid equally, or employed/promoted equally...they cost companies more (despite equal opportunities law). It's the nature of business and making profit, it won't change as you hope.

Ratchman
Posted - 2009.05.08 13:40:00 - [24]
 

Welcome to the wonderful world of business.

Companies operate on an amoral level. That is to say that they're not evil, they are just ethical blank slates. If they have to walk over you to make a profit, they will do. Simple as that.

Good businesses learn to appreciate their workforce, and treat them well. Heinz (of baked bean fame) was a good example of this. He paid his staff well, treated them with respect, and even built custom homes for members of staff with disabled children. Needless to say, during that time, staff turnover was practically zero, and Heinz cemented its position as a global brand. Cadbury's is another example. The whole town of Bournville was built to house the workers (although Cadbury himself stipulated that workers were not allowed to drink during the week, and frowned on the activity generally). Even the company my father worked for, for a very long time, were considered the best place to work in my hometown, and nobody ever left if they could possibly avoid it. However, all of these companies have succumbed to modern business ethics.

Unfortunately, too many businesses look at short-term bottom line economic, which is why companies eventually end up in dire straits. They will deny the promise of a pound tomorrow to guarantee a penny today. Ambition tends to be the cause of this, as people like to prove that they can get results, and the quicker they can do this, the quicker they can climb the ladder. Their vision is not of the company's future, but of their own. But they can't see that the long-term viability of the company is inextricably linked to their own fortune. Beware the employee with more ambition than sense. "Sub-prime lending can work. We just give money to people who can't possibly pay it back and we are guaranteed a profit". A frigging marmoset could have seen that economic crisis coming, had he been placed in that job.

The whole outsourcing thing has been going on a while. I've lost a job to outsourcing in India before. I don't feel bitter about them taking my job, just for the company dropping me after a decade of service because they could get the same service cheaper elsewhere. I don't expect to have a free ride, but some degree of respect (beyond that of 'resource') would have been nice.

Now, I find it funny that these Indian companies are starting to invest in training people in England, because the staff in their own country are now asking for too much. It just goes to show these things go round in cycles. It'll happen in the OPs case as well, but it may take time. Once a market has all the business, the costs start escalating, and they can charge what they like, because they have no competition. This is why you don't put all of your skills 'eggs' in one basket. At least the aforementioned Indian companies are smart enough to realise they can outsource too, rather than jacking up the prices to accommodate their staff, but it does show that they are as dispensable as we are.

Still, if you ever find yourself in a position of authority, remember to look after your staff, because they will look after you (at least, in most cases). My mother always told me to treat people right on your way up, because you'll meet them again on your way down. I can remember a young woman I used to work with who schmoozed her way into management (without actually having to sleep with anyone), and then proceeded to treat everyone below her (and even at her own level) with such hideous disdain, she swiftly became the most hated person in the office. When she found herself in difficulties, practically everyone rushed in to stab her in the back, and with such venom that it did kind of break her emotionally, and seeing someone like that in that state fills you with a weird ambivalence. I think then she realised she'd been treating people completely the wrong way.

Business can run without ethics, but a good business will hold together because of it.

Ratchman
Posted - 2009.05.08 13:52:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Jacob Mei
Im not all that worried to be honest.

1. Sony and EA release subpar games to begin with.
2. Art can not simply be outsourced to another country. Artists have their own way of doing things, their own styles that they have mastered and to try and get one part of the world to adopt another part of the worlds style of art, even for concept art, is not an easy task.


You're right on point 2, but no economist or executive has artistic appreciation. It's not what they are employed to do. Their understanding is the bottom line.

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.08 19:26:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Ratchman
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Im not all that worried to be honest.

1. Sony and EA release subpar games to begin with.
2. Art can not simply be outsourced to another country. Artists have their own way of doing things, their own styles that they have mastered and to try and get one part of the world to adopt another part of the worlds style of art, even for concept art, is not an easy task.


You're right on point 2, but no economist or executive has artistic appreciation. It's not what they are employed to do. Their understanding is the bottom line.


Its not artistic appreciation that they should look at but the amount of time and training it takes an artist to master a particular style. You cant just take someone who has done art in the asian style and tell him to draw superman in the american style at the same speed as the american artists and get the same quality, it just doesnt work like that.

Kelly Dataminer
Posted - 2009.05.08 20:01:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Jacob Mei

2. Art can not simply be outsourced to another country. Artists have their own way of doing things, their own styles that they have mastered and to try and get one part of the world to adopt another part of the worlds style of art, even for concept art, is not an easy task.


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You're right on point 2, but no economist or executive has artistic appreciation. It's not what they are employed to do. Their understanding is the bottom line.


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You cant just take someone who has done art in the asian style and tell him to draw superman in the american style at the same speed as the american artists and get the same quality, it just doesnt work like that.



I hate to break it to you guys but you're wrong on so many levels and don't even realize it. It always starts with outsourcing but the biggest thing to kill labor really wasn't outsourcing, it was automation. And Art isn't any different.

Game art other than concept isn't done by hand anymore. Its done in a program. Its automated. There's no chinese flair to Auto-Cad. Human heads are grids of angles formed by a program. Asians rendered drawing are just as vanilla as US/UK drawings to the point that asians complain about it being too western. Comic books are starting to go that route, even south park is now computer generated and no longer paper cutouts.

So yes, companies can send outsource are and get it back as good or even better than someone in the US/UK. Its a sad truth. The only thing we can do is stay ahead of the technology curve and create jobs that require higher and higher skillsets to do. Base un-educated or semi-skilled labor can only last for so long. The only thing to worry about is quality control and their are ways to handling that (unless you're Dell).


Global economies have changed EVERYTHING. Trade was always a big deal but in this age of information it has surpassed everything. The Heinz model is still intact due to its current size. It still has distribution and manufacturing around the world. But its a mass producer. Smaller companies that produce limited hard goods can't do that. Game companies only have to produce a single program/game (their only hard goods)...then have it copied by the millions in a Chinese factory (mass producer).


Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.08 21:20:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Kelly Dataminer
Originally by: Jacob Mei

2. Art can not simply be outsourced to another country. Artists have their own way of doing things, their own styles that they have mastered and to try and get one part of the world to adopt another part of the worlds style of art, even for concept art, is not an easy task.


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You're right on point 2, but no economist or executive has artistic appreciation. It's not what they are employed to do. Their understanding is the bottom line.


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You cant just take someone who has done art in the asian style and tell him to draw superman in the american style at the same speed as the american artists and get the same quality, it just doesnt work like that.



I hate to break it to you guys but you're wrong on so many levels and don't even realize it. It always starts with outsourcing but the biggest thing to kill labor really wasn't outsourcing, it was automation. And Art isn't any different.

Game art other than concept isn't done by hand anymore. Its done in a program. Its automated. There's no chinese flair to Auto-Cad. Human heads are grids of angles formed by a program. Asians rendered drawing are just as vanilla as US/UK drawings to the point that asians complain about it being too western. Comic books are starting to go that route, even south park is now computer generated and no longer paper cutouts.

So yes, companies can send outsource are and get it back as good or even better than someone in the US/UK. Its a sad truth. The only thing we can do is stay ahead of the technology curve and create jobs that require higher and higher skillsets to do. Base un-educated or semi-skilled labor can only last for so long. The only thing to worry about is quality control and their are ways to handling that (unless you're Dell).


Global economies have changed EVERYTHING. Trade was always a big deal but in this age of information it has surpassed everything. The Heinz model is still intact due to its current size. It still has distribution and manufacturing around the world. But its a mass producer. Smaller companies that produce limited hard goods can't do that. Game companies only have to produce a single program/game (their only hard goods)...then have it copied by the millions in a Chinese factory (mass producer).




Your talking about the technical aspects, not the actual skill needed. Your example, south park, is a poor example as anyone with MS paint can generate a south park character where as if you asked someone to draw say concept art for the latest prince of persia game, or hell even Eve online its a completely diffrent story.

I also hold to tbe belief that Sony and EA release games for pure profit with little to no regard for the artistic aspect of their product, which reflects in the lousy quality where as games from say Ubisoft or Bioware are obviously better looking from an artistic point.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.05.09 02:26:00 - [29]
 

I can generate different kinds of styles, but I disagree on the all models are done with programs now.

You still need lead artists to fix things up, and model more complicated important models. That is why tech 3 for instance was done all in-house.

But us starting artists will never be as good as artists with lots of experience, not until those guys retire and we take their place.

So the point is, this outsourcing in the art industry, is taking the entry level jobs that our school has been teachings us for years is where we'll really start learning...

I don't care about money as much as I care about doing what I love. I'm one of those artists. And it sucks that we have laws on lace that make it so I can't work at sony for as much as they work for.

Really think about that by the way. The we have laws in place that make it so a company can not pay an artist 5$ an hour. But there is non law that says they can't do it to other people...

I would you know, I'd work for free, I have worked for free, but I'm protected by collage and loan money right now, I still need money to live. :/

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. I don't feel bitter about them taking my job, just for the company dropping me after a decade of service because they could get the same service cheaper elsewhere. I don't expect to have a free ride, but some degree of respect (beyond that of 'resource') would have been nice.


/thread

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.09 04:26:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon


I don't care about money as much as I care about doing what I love. I'm one of those artists. And it sucks that we have laws on lace that make it so I can't work at sony for as much as they work for.



Considering Sony and its various companies (SOE, etc) as well as EA has shown themselves to be companies who only aim for the addiquite line in terms of quality and if you are truely someone who takes pride in their work than sony and EAs actions really shouldnt concern you that much if at all.

Yeah Sony and EA might start a trend and other video game studios of a similar mind might follow suit but im fairly confident that studios known for their quality wont.

Plus there is always the option of hooking up with other individuals and making your own video game studio Very Happy


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