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CCP Mephysto

Posted - 2009.05.05 13:30:00 - [1]
 

Some of you may have noticed we are testing a new method of downloading the installer for Singularity. This system, called Pando, is a hybrid http download and p2p download system that should allow for much faster downloads to occur. The system operates similarly to bittorrent, and will install a small daemon on your PC that will allow the p2p component to work.

Feedback about this new system gratefully received. Please note that there is no intention of replacing the primary download system (BITS) at this time, this would be offered as well as / in place of the bittorrent option.

Amerilia
Posted - 2009.05.05 13:59:00 - [2]
 

IŽd just like the good old direct download over http...

Depili
Blood Works Inc.
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2009.05.05 14:00:00 - [3]
 

I don't like having any extra services running just to download some patch, so no thanks.

Ausser
Bubba Gump ORE Corp.
Posted - 2009.05.05 14:24:00 - [4]
 

The official p2p deamon option is a good idea.Very Happy

Where can we download it?

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2009.05.05 15:18:00 - [5]
 

Please remember that thee are LOTS of people that use broadband connection on IP taht block P2P (I can pay 1/3 of normal price jsut by acceptign not not be allowed to do P2P). So please keep other traditional ways to download it.

Ecky X
SniggWaffe
FREE KARTTOON NOW
Posted - 2009.05.05 15:21:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Seishi Maru
Please remember that thee are LOTS of people that use broadband connection on IP taht block P2P (I can pay 1/3 of normal price jsut by acceptign not not be allowed to do P2P). So please keep other traditional ways to download it.


Hence the hybrid. If I'm not mistake, WoW uses a similar system and very few people have issues with it.

CCP Mephysto

Posted - 2009.05.05 15:48:00 - [7]
 

Link is here (only on Windows atm, working on Mac) http://www.eveonline.com/download/?s=singularity

And as I stated, this will not replace the existing BITS downloader we use, but will become an option for those that choose to use it.

DTson Gauur
Caldari
Blend.
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2009.05.05 15:48:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: CCP Mephysto
The system operates similarly to bittorrent, and will install a small daemon on your PC that will allow the p2p component to work.


So... basically you'll hijack our bandwidth without any way for us to configure this "daemon" of yours to use acceptable levels of bandwidth (both down and up), ports used or connections opened / used or if we can manage the service itself to start/stop only when needed?

Haral Reimo
Posted - 2009.05.05 16:24:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: CCP Mephysto
The system operates similarly to bittorrent, and will install a small daemon on your PC that will allow the p2p component to work.


As long as it stays optional. I don't like update daemons, and it should never be required for Eve to work. This includes "helpfully" trying to reinstall/reactivate it at runtime (some of us run without administrator privileges for playing games).

Arous Drephius
Posted - 2009.05.05 17:09:00 - [10]
 

I don't like it. I don't want to have my upload bandwidth stolen (not everyone has unlimited bandwidth) just so I can download a patch. Nobody had any problems with the old HTTP downloads, so why use anything else?

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2009.05.05 17:22:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Arous Drephius
I don't like it. I don't want to have my upload bandwidth stolen (not everyone has unlimited bandwidth) just so I can download a patch. Nobody had any problems with the old HTTP downloads, so why use anything else?


Its basically a MANDATORY thing that ccp allow us to disable it. Even if my connectionallowed P2p I don wantto pay my EXPENSIVE link here in south america to help someoen in North america taht can get CHEAP links to download faster.

Miss President
Caldari
SOLARIS ASTERIUS
Posted - 2009.05.05 17:23:00 - [12]
 

I say no to secondary party services and programs, this is not very secure.

Direct download ftw.

Reten Kip
Everset Dropbears
Posted - 2009.05.05 17:38:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: CCP Mephysto
and will install a small daemon on your PC that will allow the p2p component to work.


Fonk dat. Don't install anything besides EVE on my computer.

Trimutius III
Avalon Guards
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.05.05 18:33:00 - [14]
 

I don't know it depends for me. If it will give much faster download maybe i'll use it sometimes. I still remember that long waiting until i downloaded Apocrypha... But i don't think that daemon will help, i downloaded at maximum speed that my ADSL net gives, my provider will not allow me to download faster even with daemon as i think.

Lareon Denery
Band of Cateteris
Veritas Immortalis
Posted - 2009.05.05 19:07:00 - [15]
 

No way. Pando is the worst thing I ever seen. I can't download anything with it and they didn't offer assistance at all (no troubleshooting in their site). Then -> no, thanks.

Nizdaar
Gallente
Digital Fury Corporation
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.05.05 19:29:00 - [16]
 

Get rid of it. It's all sorts of fail because there's no icon in the taskbar or anywhere else, it saturated my upstream which made everything I did really laggy and there appears to be no way to configure it.

I had to open up the resource monitor, see what was creating all the connections, find it in my task monitor and close the craptastic application that way.

If I had to describe it in a word, it'd be a trojan. Normal programs don't behave this way. If I missed something, then I missed it. But there's nothing obvious.

fuxinos
Caldari
Guys 0f Sarcasm
Posted - 2009.05.05 19:56:00 - [17]
 

P2p to download a patch? No thanks.


SMX
Amarr
Posted - 2009.05.05 20:30:00 - [18]
 

It looks like they are forcing us to use it seeing as the link to the TQ to Sisi patch on this page is dead at the moment.
Well I'm not gonna use any p2p software so I guess that means no test server for me then...

tx eight
Minmatar
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.05.05 20:33:00 - [19]
 

Why don't you officially seed and publish torrents for installers and patches and be done with it?

Why all this invention of bicycles, why use unknown, undertested protocols, buggy, practically unsupported client and server software with god knows how many security problems and vulnerabilities instead of proven, reliable protocol with lots of production-quality client and server code available?

BitTorrent was designed for the task, is used by millions of people for the task, has proven its worth. What's wrong with it?

Viktor Del'Grande
Gallente Forschung und Entwicklungscorp
Posted - 2009.05.05 20:37:00 - [20]
 

No daemon for p2p on my computer! NO


Sherio
Caldari
Exanimo Inc
Posted - 2009.05.05 20:39:00 - [21]
 

I still cannot download the client even with your new P2P software, get a network error. Please go back to the old way of dl'ing or at least use Bittorrent!

Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.05 20:53:00 - [22]
 

Mephysto, do you know if this change will solve the client corruption errors that have plagued certain people?

eliminator2
Gallente
Vindicated Blast.
Posted - 2009.05.05 21:05:00 - [23]
 

i don;t like to have to dl things from somewere else when all info and stuff is from here

seems pointless and iretating

Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
Posted - 2009.05.05 21:23:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: tx eight
Why don't you officially seed and publish torrents for installers and patches and be done with it?

What's wrong with it?



Nothing apparently. They just use their own torrent client.

Pboyt
Valiant Research Associates
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2009.05.05 22:41:00 - [25]
 

No thanks.

EliteSlave
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.05.06 01:39:00 - [26]
 

please do not make this mandatory, my ISP specifically blocks p2p sharing.

Ariane VoxDei
Posted - 2009.05.06 01:57:00 - [27]
 

Thanks for the warning about "installing a...", fortunately I have not tried to update my sisi folder for a few days.

Are there any more surprises you ought to tell us about?
In advance please -.-

From Pando EULA (http://www.pando.com/eula)
Quote:
In order to use the Services, you hereby grant permission for the Software to utilize the processor and bandwidth of your computer for the limited purposes of (i) facilitating the transfer of digital files and communication between the users of the Software and the Services and (ii) facilitating the transfer of digital files to servers for purposes of posting content on websites or blogs and (iii) pasting links to content in instant messages and RSS feeds.
Would anyone fluent in legalese care to take a stab at translating and explaining, to a broader audience, the implications of this?

It is vague enough to sound like: Your connection and CPU belongs to us now, for use in our network as we see fit. Lucky they didn't also claim your harddrive while they were at it, eh?

Do not attempt to install this on our computers.

GeekWarrior
Posted - 2009.05.06 02:21:00 - [28]
 

Please fire whoever came up with this brilliant idea.

Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
Posted - 2009.05.06 03:19:00 - [29]
 

Look, just put the downloader (and manual patches) on something like Amazon Web Services Cloudfront or similar. I don't have any interest in allowing outside connections to my desktop boxen and I don't want to use BITS for a number of reasons.

tx eight
Minmatar
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.05.06 05:44:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Kappas.

Nothing apparently. They just use their own torrent client.


Does not look like a .torrent.



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