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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2009.05.05 20:26:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Raekek
No.

Some players have spent 5+ years training and have gotten over 100 mil SP. Some rich noob could spend like $1000 for 100 mil skill points instantly, which isn't fair at all. It's also hard to imagine a noob with a substantial amount SP, he probably wouldn't even buy (or could afford) a clone & get podded anyway

If you had read and understood my post you would not be writing this. I do not want to be able to buy skills for $1000. Nor would I spend that much money at a time on any computer game!

The argument regarding the clone is a good one. However, one can buy a PLEX, sell it for ISK and then lose all the ISK to a scammer. Where is the safety in there? It is the same problem and all you currently get is a warning that one does not get any money from a free-form contract.

Loosing SP because of not having bought a new clone is a problem that can affect everyone. It is not a problem typically related to the beginners only. Or did it happen to you? Anyway, perhaps imagine what happens when someone loses all skills after playing EVE for many years. I think that it is more worrying.

Thenoran
Caldari
Tranquility Industries
Posted - 2009.05.05 20:30:00 - [92]
 

The main problem is how it would affect late to endgame gameplay.

Anyone with enough money could just fly a Titan.
Imagine, dozens of alts all flying Titans.

EVE would be restricted to Cap vs Cap fights only, with the alliance with the most real money having the most caps.

One of the main reasons you have to train skills is so there is a difference between easily accessible cheap ships and uber doomsday titans.

PvE would be restricted purely to Marauders, lvl 1-3 missions would end being useful altogether.
Mining would be restricted purely to Hulks.

I don't care if skill training is supposedly boring (it isn't for me), it has a tried and tested purpose.
Just because you only got 2-3mil SP doesn't mean you should get a free ticket to 100mil SP.
It would be the same thing as asking Blizzard to give you an epic fitted lvl 80 Death Knight.

In addition, you would completely kill off the difference between old players and new players.
Older players with years of experience and the proper SP to go with it wouldn't be worth much of anything if you can get disposable T2 Command Ship chars and whatnot.

It would also seriously hurt the EVE community itself.
All the players with good jobs could get straight to T2 Battleships.
Anyone who can't keep up with that for whatever reason wouldn't stand a chance, especially in wars.

Skill training makes everyone equal in fact.
It doesn't matter if you play EVE casually or hardcore, you go at the same rate as everyone else.

This isn't WoW where you can go from 1 to 80 in two weeks and I hope it never will be.
In EVE actually having a noticable difference between chars is a part of what makes EVE Online.

Unique to EVE, time actually has a value.

Also, there is already a way to get your uber char of doom, it's called the Character Bazaar.

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2009.05.05 20:33:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Whitehound on 05/05/2009 20:36:24
@Thenoran: Please read the very first comment of the thread.

Originally by: Trimutius III
No... it's still a case

Are you trying to lie to me? Very Happy

I have now checked twice and it did change!!

Before I started with Gunnery at 5 and Small Hybrid Turrets at 5, and now all I got are level 3's.

ShadowDraqon
The Quantum Company
Independent Faction
Posted - 2009.05.05 20:51:00 - [94]
 

This thread is too much win when considering how awful the OP idea is.
Laughing
A success full troll indeed.

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2009.05.05 20:57:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: ShadowDraqon
This thread is too much win when considering how awful the OP idea is.
Laughing
A success full troll indeed.

Ouch.

ShadowDraqon
The Quantum Company
Independent Faction
Posted - 2009.05.05 21:03:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: ShadowDraqon on 05/05/2009 21:03:34


Mistress Iceka
Caldari
Posted - 2009.05.05 23:17:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: Mistress Iceka on 05/05/2009 23:19:41
When ppl buy char that have 30m sp already or more those char have been train up over a period of time..and doesnt acually unbalence anythign with the old chars in this game,as its not adding more chars with alot os sp..they already are there....what ya say is ya what 100's or 1000's of noobs to instantly jump into bs's which does unbalence the game..when everyone else train up over time...like i said before...buys skills/item mall type crap...aint eve,and it aint ever going to happen

Trimutius III
Avalon Guards
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.05.06 00:09:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Trimutius III on 06/05/2009 00:11:40
Edited by: Trimutius III on 06/05/2009 00:09:55
Originally by: Whitehound
Loosing SP because of not having bought a new clone is a problem that can affect everyone. It is not a problem typically related to the beginners only. Or did it happen to you? Anyway, perhaps imagine what happens when someone loses all skills after playing EVE for many years. I think that it is more worrying.

That never happens. Maximum penalty from death is one high grade skill will be downgraded from 5 lvl to 4 lvl. Only one skill and only one lvl (but it would be a skill with the biggest amount of SP though)

And if u haven't upgraded ur clone u don't lose all SP that higher then clone, u lose something like 5% of exceeding SP.

So death penalty isn't really big.. And if u do care it's only lose of money.

Originally by: Whitehound

Originally by: Trimutius III
No... it's still a case

Are you trying to lie to me? Very Happy

I have now checked twice and it did change!!

Before I started with Gunnery at 5 and Small Hybrid Turrets at 5, and now all I got are level 3's.

Believe me, there is absolutely no need of that lvl 5s in the beginning, level 3 is quite enough i should say, lvl 4 that could be easily trained is more then enough for beginner.

Skills doesn't work that well usually difference between level 4 and level 5 is so small that nobody even trains level 5, or trains level 5 only because it's prerequisite to something else and that "something else" also usually not for newbies and not really needed in the beginning.

Skills that are really needed at level 5 are: Electronics and Engineering and Basic Learnings (6 skills), all other are trained to get maximum output or because they are prerequisites to something else, and maximum output is a good thing but doesn't needed for newbie.


U know u can fly on quite a good BattleCruiser (Drake for example) without training any skill to level 5 (several skills to level 4 would be enough). Yes it will not show best possible parameters, but would be good enough for even 3 lvl missions. So u don't need that 5th level to fly in a good enough ship. 5th level is for advanced or even elite, normally 4 lvl is enough. And 4th level doesn't worth it to by. Usually it takes less then a week to train almost any skill to 4 lvl if u have prerequisites.

Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2009.05.06 00:23:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Lear Hepburn
As to your idea, no. Just because you can afford it doesn't mean anyone else can. Why should metagaming rich kids get the advantage?
Exactly. I kinda like it that there's no way of buying influence or power in the game through outside means. If CCP introduced some methods of easily converting real life cash into ISK we'd have all sorts of problems.

Oh.. er, wait a minute.

Trimutius III
Avalon Guards
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.05.06 00:37:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Durzel
Originally by: Lear Hepburn
As to your idea, no. Just because you can afford it doesn't mean anyone else can. Why should metagaming rich kids get the advantage?
Exactly. I kinda like it that there's no way of buying influence or power in the game through outside means. If CCP introduced some methods of easily converting real life cash into ISK we'd have all sorts of problems.

Oh.. er, wait a minute.


I should say ISK doesn't matter that much. U can't buy Power and influence for ISK. ISK don't give u advantages, they give u new ships, some materials maybe, but u can't by best ship, because there is no "best ship" in EVE. :) So having lots of ISK just freeing u from carebearing, but doesn't give u any other advantages. For everything else u usually should fight and simply there is many things that u can't buy, only conquer. :)

And u know buying a high-grade skills will spoil that balance... Balance isn't quite good already, and CCP shouldn't do it even worse... And buying lowgrade skills is meaningless, i don't think that economy of 1-2 monthes of training worth it...

ShadowDraqon
The Quantum Company
Independent Faction
Posted - 2009.05.06 00:51:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: ShadowDraqon on 06/05/2009 00:52:13
Originally by: Trimutius III
I should say ISK doesn't matter that much. U can't buy Power and influence for ISK. ISK don't give u advantages, they give u new ships, some materials maybe, but u can't by best ship, because there is no "best ship" in EVE. :) So having lots of ISK just freeing u from carebearing, but doesn't give u any other advantages. For everything else u usually should fight and simply there is many things that u can't buy, only conquer.
This. Very much this.

You, sir, have just solved this thread.

Sir Substance
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2009.05.06 02:40:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Sir Substance on 06/05/2009 02:40:36
Originally by: Grek Forto
Originally by: Whitehound
Edited by: Whitehound on 05/05/2009 11:58:58
Originally by: Sir Substance
Edited by: Sir Substance on 05/05/2009 11:55:10

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Major fail. One needs to pull this into an editor to see this piece of ascii art, noob! Laughing

You should have used a proper picture. If only you dared ...


Woot? I can see it perfectly fine!


yea, its working fine. OP needs to use a browser other then IEv6.

edit: its not fine any more. epic pyramid compression field! Laughing

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2009.05.06 09:27:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Mistress Iceka
Edited by: Mistress Iceka on 05/05/2009 23:19:41
When ppl buy char that have 30m sp already or more those char have been train up over a period of time..and doesnt acually unbalence anythign with the old chars in this game,as its not adding more chars with alot os sp..they already are there....what ya say is ya what 100's or 1000's of noobs to instantly jump into bs's which does unbalence the game..when everyone else train up over time...like i said before...buys skills/item mall type crap...aint eve,and it aint ever going to happen

It is already happening, but it needs to be better than the current methods and be kept under control by CCP. No one is asking for noobs to jump into BS's. It is all about buying those one or two skills you always wanted, or which are currently blocking your goals. Why do you fear this?

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2009.05.06 09:37:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Whitehound on 06/05/2009 09:44:29
Originally by: Trimutius III
I should say ISK doesn't matter that much. U can't buy Power and influence for ISK.

I disagree. Skills do not give you any power when you do not know how to fit and fly a ship. ISK on the other hand can be used to run a corp and to attract players to it, not to mention the running of entire alliances. The purchase of ISK through time cards can give you a significant amount of power and influence. Or try to get into a T3. You think buying skills will get you into a T3 faster than a lot of ISK? I do not think so.

Jin Labarre
Posted - 2009.05.06 09:51:00 - [105]
 

Whitehound, you are new to EVE and I understand how you feel. I think pretty much half of us had similar sentiments when they were new to the game, when we couldn't do all that much and felt overly inferior to anyone else. You play the game and all you make is ISK. You want to push ahead, but you can't, because your skills hold you back.

Give it some time. Adjust, adapt.

Any ability to buy skills for real money would just ruin the game completely. Even the already existing ways to buy ISK for real money are somehow problematic in some aspects and barely work perfectly. Making it worse is not the way to go. Buying ISK for GTCs is more or less tolerable, since there is only so much that can be done with that amount of ISK and it has a positive impact on the community as a whole, allowing hardcore gamers to keep playing when otherwise they could not.

Even if I could buy only 2 skills to level 5 right now, I could think of a dozen options that would net me much more in return than CCP could possibly charge for it realistically. It would be somewhere between totally overpowered and ridiculously game breaking.

If you are willing to invest more real money to get more power and better skills, get yourself 1-2 additional accounts and see where that will get you within the next 4-6 months if you play it out right.

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2009.05.06 10:39:00 - [106]
 

Edited by: Whitehound on 06/05/2009 10:50:49
Originally by: Jin Labarre
Whitehound, you are new to EVE and I understand how you feel.

No, you do not. You have adjusted and adapted, and because you do not understand anything. YARRRR!!

Give my suggestion some time.

Jin Labarre
Posted - 2009.05.06 11:44:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Jin Labarre
Whitehound, you are new to EVE and I understand how you feel.

No, you do not. You have adjusted and adapted, and because you do not understand anything. YARRRR!!


If you say so... Rolling Eyes

I'm rather afraid that you don't understand much yet and because of that, you make assumptions which are simply wrong in the big picture. Just because waiting ****es you off right now, it doesn't mean that there is something fundamentally wrong with the game. EVE has a lot of weaknesses and faults, but they cannot be evened out with brute force.

Eventually, the players you want to cater to are not overly relevant in the big picture. It sounds harsh, but that is like it is, because CCP would have to be pretty short-sighted if they ever decided to **** off the majority of their long time player base just to cater to those who don't have the attention span to keep playing EVE for any relevant amount of time anyway.

EVE is both a meritocracy and a gerontocracy. You cannot change that, unless you want to smash the whole thing and start fresh from scratch, which is unlikely to happen and the wrong direction anyway.

CCP did the right thing when they cut down starter skills and added the 100% skill time bonus for new characters. That gives a pretty good kick-start already and allows new characters to get their hands into the action pretty fast, if they specialize. Perhaps this has to be expanded by either increasing the 100% boost frame, or adding a second 50% boost frame afterwards.

Apart from things like that, there is little you can do to speed things up, because:

Power is relative

Any boost applied beyond the baseline ends up boosting the powerplayers significantly as well. Eventually, you'd gain nothing at all, yet for the majority the game would become less exciting and enjoyable. If you feel week, making everyone stronger just keeps you as week as you were, in comparison.

EVE is not World of Warcraft, which implies a LOT of things. Among that is that EVE has a player driven economy with a lot of cause and effect. You are new to EVE and I doubt that you can hardly imagine how much difference a few skill levels here and there can truly make. If I could spend a hundred dollars now to boost just a few rank 2 and 3 skills to level 5, I would not have spent a single buck eventually, because I could boost skills that would yield me such a lot of ISK in just a few months, that I could get that investment back by paying my accounts via PLEX codes. It would not work in the long run, though. The economy would even out. The things which doing will have yielded me that profit will become less profitable the more people do so and when new players like yourself come even close of competing, the race will be over already. Your investment would be useless, mine would have paid off and you'd be standing in the rain once again. Instead of facing battleship gatecamps while you are in a cruiser, you'd face carrier gatecamps while you are in a battleship. Instead of making more money in missions, the mass of additional Marauders would drive loot and salvage prizes further down. Instead of making some easy money mining, all highsec belts would be emptied by swarms of Orca-supported Hulks. Nothing gained, but a lot lost faster than it will be lost eventually anyway.

In EVE, you cannot compete as an individual in a wide field of abilities. You can only compete if you specialize and/or team up. That is the way it is intended to be. Eve is harsh, competitive and it is multi-player. Gang up and find a niche for yourself, or you get run down by the stampede. If you don't like that, the stampede which does still means more to CCP.

Trimutius III
Avalon Guards
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.05.06 11:50:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Whitehound

I disagree. Skills do not give you any power when you do not know how to fit and fly a ship. ISK on the other hand can be used to run a corp and to attract players to it, not to mention the running of entire alliances. The purchase of ISK through time cards can give you a significant amount of power and influence. Or try to get into a T3. You think buying skills will get you into a T3 faster than a lot of ISK? I do not think so.


Skills don't give any power if u don't know how to fit. But if u do know and make several good alts it will give u power.
U don't know how PLEX market works. Big alliance often don't sell PLEXes, they buy it and run there alliance without any bucks, some of them maybe even earning real money illegaly, because they can get many ISK ingame, from selling disprosium and many other expensive things. They usually don't need any additional ISKs. There is some corps that do sell PLEXes, but they can't hire enough people to show real power, but they can run some combat operations, but nothing really great...

And about T3, it's now hard to buy it. After some time T3 will cost something like 300-400 mill or even less. Just give it a time. U know T2 was very expensive even 2 years ago, and now it's much cheaper. That time money make the difference, but now skills make the difference, because buying T2 isn't that hard. U know as a noob i couldn't buy even T2 fit because it was too expensive. And i thought twice before buying even Expanded Cargohold II

And as i said if u want to buy some basic skills to level 5, they could be trained for 1-2 weeks. U know 1-2 weeks isn't time at all, it's not hard to wait a little. If u don't like slow-paced games then just EVE isn't for u...

steave435
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.05.06 11:53:00 - [109]
 

Quote:
And you believe EVE is better than "mainstream"??

If you don't, then go play mainstream.

Quote:
With EVE you get beaten up for at least a half year, should you be stupid enough to go looking for a fight.

Starting a new char from scratch, I could have an interceptor pilot ready that could kick my mains ass easily in an inty fight in only 6 weeks (1,5 month). Would take even less time for a battlecruiser with decent skills.

Quote:
The argument regarding the clone is a good one. However, one can buy a PLEX, sell it for ISK and then lose all the ISK to a scammer. Where is the safety in there? It is the same problem and all you currently get is a warning that one does not get any money from a free-form contract.

This is called eve, and one of the reasons that funding your ingame character in eve is not a matter of how much isk you have, but rather a matter of how much isk you can make. 1 day players in titans are bad.

Buying a char is completely different from buying skills. If you buy skills, things are changed ingame without making any sense at all (although that's a minor factor), skill doesn't go from non-existant to suddenly being in your head at max level, and you also get to choose exactly what skills the character gets. Buying a character from the bazaar means that you are stuck with whatever the other guy spent time training.

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Are you trying to lie to me? Very Happy

I have now checked twice and it did change!!

Before I started with Gunnery at 5 and Small Hybrid Turrets at 5, and now all I got are level 3's.

You do start with 800k sp less, but you will train your first 1.6m sp at double speed, so you'll hit 1.6m sp in the same time it took you to hit 1.6m sp before the change, with the difference being that all those 1.6m sp will be useful for you rather then have 25% of your sp in stuff you never use.

Quote:
When ppl buy char that have 30m sp already or more those char have been train up over a period of time..and doesnt acually unbalence anythign with the old chars in this game,as its not adding more chars with alot os sp..they already are there....what ya say is ya what 100's or 1000's of noobs to instantly jump into bs's which does unbalence the game..when everyone else train up over time...like i said before...buys skills/item mall type crap...aint eve,and it aint ever going to happen

^^This.

Quote:
It is already happening, but it needs to be better than the current methods and be kept under control by CCP. No one is asking for noobs to jump into BS's. It is all about buying those one or two skills you always wanted, or which are currently blocking your goals. Why do you fear this?

If you always wanted those skills, then train them. Even if only some low rank skills are made available, people will soon start complaining about this or that skill that take equal time isn't available, or that this skill that only take slightly longer can't be bought.

Quote:
I disagree. Skills do not give you any power when you do not know how to fit and fly a ship.

In that case, why do need to buy the SP? Train it, and you'll learn how to fit and fly a ship in the time it takes you to get the ingame skills to fly and fit it.

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No, you do not. You have adjusted and adapted, and because you do not understand anything

You should do the same. "Adapt or die".

Have a look at this thread. You'll find 1 person supporting your idea (you), with everyone else thinking it's a bad idea. That should give you a pointer when it comes to how the subscription amount would change if this was put into the game.

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2009.05.06 12:09:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Whitehound on 06/05/2009 12:10:34
Originally by: Trimutius III
And as i said if u want to buy some basic skills to level 5, they could be trained for 1-2 weeks. U know 1-2 weeks isn't time at all, it's not hard to wait a little. If u don't like slow-paced games then just EVE isn't for u...

You think I do not know this?

Of course will I train these skills eventually. It is what I am doing right now. I am just not playing the game until then. The waiting keeps me away from the game, and because I do not want to do the same stuff over and over again. Sitting on the same skills is only fun for so long, and which is why you can have new skills.

It then does not matter to me if I get the skills now or in a few months. That is what you do not understand. And I do not care if it scares you or not. Why should I care about your thoughts? This is EVE.

You will get a bit more anarchy back.

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2009.05.06 12:13:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: steave435
You should do the same. "Adapt or die".

I will adapt the day I die. YARRRR!!

Leana Darkrider
Minmatar
Creatio -ex- nihilo
The Donkey Rollers
Posted - 2009.05.06 12:13:00 - [112]
 

simple no from me.

You don't need a zillion skill points to have fun in eve.
Look in the my eve section on this forum, and all those videos of solo rifters, mallers, incubus blowing up all kinds of ships.
these guys and gals are flying cheap ships, with some t2 fitting. This can be achieved after a few months of training, which isn't a huge problem.

EVE is intented to be a harsch place and not easy made for the newer players.
But look it at the bright side, it makes it more a challenge.

If you don't like this, you should start playing WoW.

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2009.05.06 12:21:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: Whitehound on 06/05/2009 12:21:42
Originally by: Leana Darkrider
simple no from me.

You don't need a zillion skill points to have fun in eve.

No, you do not need any skill points at all. We could all be flying around in rookie ships. In fact we could just use wooden sticks and imagine the empty space around it. Pew-pew ...

Spare me your wisdom, please.

Leana Darkrider
Minmatar
Creatio -ex- nihilo
The Donkey Rollers
Posted - 2009.05.06 12:45:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Whitehound
Edited by: Whitehound on 06/05/2009 12:21:42
Originally by: Leana Darkrider
simple no from me.

You don't need a zillion skill points to have fun in eve.

No, you do not need any skill points at all. We could all be flying around in rookie ships. In fact we could just use wooden sticks and imagine the empty space around it. Pew-pew ...

Spare me your wisdom, please.


First of all, I didn't said you don't need any skillpoints.
But flying t1 ships with t1 guns and faction ammo can give you alot of fun.

If you can't believe that and you're certain you need a huge ammount of skillpoints to have fun in eve, then you could use some wisdom yes.

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2009.05.06 12:54:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Whitehound on 06/05/2009 12:55:04
Originally by: Leana Darkrider
First of all, I didn't said you don't need any skillpoints.

No, you said a zillion skill points.

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But flying t1 ships with t1 guns and faction ammo can give you alot of fun.

A lot? Yes. Forever? No.

Now, let me have the option to buy me some skills, and to advance a little faster whenever I think I need to. I am not asking to jump from a rookie ship into a titan and no one will force you to buy skills.

If you fear that it will make some players to have better skills than others, then imagine it being the case already.

Leana Darkrider
Minmatar
Creatio -ex- nihilo
The Donkey Rollers
Posted - 2009.05.06 13:15:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Whitehound

Now, let me have the option to buy me some skills, and to advance a little faster whenever I think I need to. I am not asking to jump from a rookie ship into a titan and no one will force you to buy skills.



Now why do you want to advance a little faster?
Because you can't stand the fact others have more skillpoints then you do? then my answer above here stands.

Now why do you want to advance a little faster?
Because you want to fly that t2 ship today instead of tomorrow?
Then I would say, have patience my friend. EVE is a slow paste game, get used to it

We all began with 800k skillpoints. Hell, the 2003 chars started with 5000 skillpoints.
You don't hear them about advancing a little faster. They brought up the patience to learn specific skills.


Something else, you want to buy skillbooks with RL money. There are alot of players who don't have enough RL money. They buy their timecards with isk, and play "for free"
So why should people who can spare RL money, to buy skillbooks, have an advantage over people who can't buy skillbooks and advance a little faster because they want to?

Trimutius III
Avalon Guards
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.05.06 13:21:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Trimutius III on 06/05/2009 13:26:39
Originally by: Whitehound
Edited by: Whitehound on 06/05/2009 12:10:34
Originally by: Trimutius III
And as i said if u want to buy some basic skills to level 5, they could be trained for 1-2 weeks. U know 1-2 weeks isn't time at all, it's not hard to wait a little. If u don't like slow-paced games then just EVE isn't for u...

You think I do not know this?

Of course will I train these skills eventually. It is what I am doing right now. I am just not playing the game until then. The waiting keeps me away from the game, and because I do not want to do the same stuff over and over again. Sitting on the same skills is only fun for so long, and which is why you can have new skills.

It then does not matter to me if I get the skills now or in a few months. That is what you do not understand. And I do not care if it scares you or not. Why should I care about your thoughts? This is EVE.

You will get a bit more anarchy back.


Oh... I see. You just don't see possibilities of EVE. You don't need any skills to try different things. You know i was hunting in Omen until i learned to fly Harbinger and also i was doing 1 lvl missions and studing market, then i got bored a little and traing Industrials (it tool me only few hours) and began trading, then i got bored and decided to run some missions and trained Connections to 3 lvl for that reason, then i got bored and decided to help my corp with POSes and studied how they work and so on, then i decided that i need a jump clone found a place where i could easily get standing 8.0 and did it for about 1-2 weeks.

Oh that's only my first 2 monthes of game. Soon i bought a BS but didn't understand what to do with it, and decided to learn Caldari ships. Some basic skills that are needed for any ship was already learned at that moment, so it took me only 2-3 weeks to have a normal drake with which i could easily do 3 lvl mission (before i studied drake i was doing mission in Harbinger, having some fun in PVP in maller and prophecy, i evenly did some mining) Then after drake there was Raven, then some support skills, then logistics, then i was training to Command Ships, and after that i don't exactly remember, i was training different ships, but i still have many possibilities that i haven't even tried though i have needed skills.

U don't need Good skills to try some things, average skills of 3-4 lvl is enough. Just think what u can try without new skills... U know there is dozens of possibilities in EVE. Several types of Trading (u don't need a big wallet to start trading), Mining, 4 types of PVE (and inside this 4 types there is some variability), Several types of PVP (though for most of types of PVP u need to going a corp, solo-PVP is very limited), several types of Industry and Science (Crafting like it called in some other games), helping with corp managment in different ways, and anything else, borders are only in ur mind, for example u can ferry Courier contracts from place to place. Everything is up to u. Of course u need skills for all of that, but i was trading without having any trade skills, and i had my profit, and PVE and PVP usually have many common skills, though there is some difference, but this difference not more then 0.5-3 days of training. If u want PVP just join corp that often fights PVP, and u will often meet new scenarios, and skills doesn't matter. Or even mining, u don't have mining skills? No problem, buy an Osprey and train skills up to Retriever. It's not that long. Don't try to be best possible, u just don't need to be best possible to try something new...
And indutry, for industry u need only Production Efficiency, yes to level 5 but u can start already when it's only level 3-4... All other skills aren't actually really needed. For Science u need some basic skills (Science, Metallurgy, Research), to level 3-4 is more then enough, and u need to buy at least one BPO (to research it) and then u will have ur ISK regulary...

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2009.05.06 13:22:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: Whitehound on 06/05/2009 13:22:25
Originally by: Leana Darkrider
Now why do you want to advance a little faster?

Because I am not ret4rded, mother?

Leana Darkrider
Minmatar
Creatio -ex- nihilo
The Donkey Rollers
Posted - 2009.05.06 13:28:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Whitehound
Edited by: Whitehound on 06/05/2009 13:22:25
Originally by: Leana Darkrider
Now why do you want to advance a little faster?

Because I am not ret4rded, mother?


Like I said, you don't need ((tra)zillion) huge ammounts of skillpoints to play this game propperly.
If you get shot all the time, it isn't related to your skillpoints, but more to your playstyle.

Start changing that and you'll be fine Wink

steave435
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.05.06 13:32:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Whitehound
Edited by: Whitehound on 06/05/2009 13:22:25
Originally by: Leana Darkrider
Now why do you want to advance a little faster?

Because I am not ret4rded, mother?

I disagree.


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