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WW412
Minmatar
Dominion Gaming
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.05.04 01:59:00 - [1]
 

Before I type this out, I'm going to warn you that this is a rant.

I'm asking what there is to look forward to. I'm about two weeks into my account. So far I've had four people try to scam me out of a my shuttle; fine. I've spent hours in a .4 system to locate a wormhole via scanning. Once I got it, I was one shotted and lost a fully equipped destroyer; fine. Returning to salvaging to get some income, I was killed and podded twice in .3 sector; fine. Finally, tonight, I put down 26 million ISK for a courier mission. 1 jump to go I entered 0.0 space and got dropped. Lost my collateral, my fully equipped Mammoth, and was podded.

As of right now, I have 56k ISK, a starter ship that is 41 jumps from where my completely unequipped destroyer is, and a very, very, very short temper. I can't help but feel that the only way to progress in this game is to be a **** and scam anyone and everyone. I am in the process of finding a Corp, but in the meantime I thought maybe I'd try to make some ISK. Instead I've lost days of work getting ISK to buy the items I need.

In frustration I terminated both my characters and canceled my account. Now, is this all this game is about? Scamming and being a ****? Sorry for the attitude but I played several hours today to gain ~20mil ISK only to see it disappear in less than 20 seconds and leaving me with nothing. I almost feel its best to just to delete my characters and start over. Just very annoyed right now.

Quantar Raalsken
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.04 02:30:00 - [2]
 

going into a low sec was ur first mistake

u seem to gravitate to all the bad things EVE has to offer, scams, cuoier scams into 0.0, and low sec where ull get blown up 20 times b4 fighting someone off let alone beating them

it looks like ur good with salvage so i say stick with that and save up for good stuff

also join a PVP corp so they can tell u why u blow up so many times and then how to fix the problem (and i dont mean avoid low sec if that where u wanna go ai mean surviving low sec)

and i guess u could start over in ur position but then u wouldnt have a destroyer, or the SP that uve trained in the 2 weeks uve been here

there is also being a carebear and avoiding PVP...u just have to know to stay out of certian systems that there are a lot of can flipers/mish scanners

the only times ive blown up in low sec i knew i had it coming....tho there were a few times i survived and was able to kill a few BS rats while i was at it :P

Mike Seary
Minmatar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
Posted - 2009.05.04 02:59:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: WW412
Before I type this out, I'm going to warn you that this is a rant.

I'm asking what there is to look forward to. I'm about two weeks into my account.


There is much to learn still

Originally by: WW412
So far I've had four people try to scam me out of a my shuttle; fine. I've spent hours in a .4 system to locate a wormhole via scanning. Once I got it, I was one shotted and lost a fully equipped destroyer; fine. Returning to salvaging to get some income, I was killed and podded twice in .3 sector; fine. Finally, tonight, I put down 26 million ISK for a courier mission. 1 jump to go I entered 0.0 space and got dropped. Lost my collateral, my fully equipped Mammoth, and was podded.



This is all experience that will help you massively in the future.

Originally by: WW412
As of right now, I have 56k ISK, a starter ship that is 41 jumps from where my completely unequipped destroyer is, and a very, very, very short temper. I can't help but feel that the only way to progress in this game is to be a **** and scam anyone and everyone.


Not the only way.... but it is quite effective.

Originally by: WW412
I am in the process of finding a Corp,


Good. Do this immediately

Originally by: WW412
but in the meantime I thought maybe I'd try to make some ISK. Instead I've lost days of work getting ISK to buy the items I need.


If you think thats bad, try getting podded @ 20mil or so SP and realize that your (what you thought was updated clone) is only a 12mil. You speak of days lost? Think MONTHS. It happens.

Originally by: WW412
In frustration I terminated both my characters and canceled my account.


Oh Lawdz, I didn't read this part until just now..... I will forgo the typical "gb2" crap and instead tell you that what you did was the equivalent of shaking the checkerboard when things weren't looking good for you, shouting "earthquake, everyone dies!!!", and refusing to continue play. Instead of ragequitting, maybe you should be talking to people on forums/channels/corps and finding out what you could be doing better.


Originally by: WW412
Now, is this all this game is about? Scamming and being a ****? Sorry for the attitude but I played several hours today to gain ~20mil ISK only to see it disappear in less than 20 seconds and leaving me with nothing. I almost feel its best to just to delete my characters and start over. Just very annoyed right now.


Well, its a game. Sometimes people do badly at them... especially at first. You can try to do better, or quit. No sympathy either way from me, just letting you know that you are not the first (nor last) new guy on eve.

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.05.04 03:01:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 04/05/2009 03:01:43

Your main problem here is that you're rushing into lowsec/0.0 unprepared. There's plenty more to ganking/scamming people...However, success as one of these people is all about not getting ganked/scammed. Obviously, if you're getting ganked/scammed then you're not going to do well.

Step 1 is join a corp. You have the balls to jump into the more serious aspects of the game quickly (This is good) but you know so little about game mechanics that it's causing you a lot of frustration. I'd make a post down in the corp recruitment forums.

General lowsec survival advice:

-Watch local, and watch the directional scanner (set it to max range). You can even see probes on scan if you turn off "Use overview settings"...With these two tools, you'll see trouble well before you run facefirst into it

-When operating in lowsec, operate in deep lowsec. You want to avoid hisec/lowsec border systems, and you want to avoid the populated lowsec regions. Thankfully, in addition to the lowsec pipes between empires, there are also out-of-the-way lowsec systems which are virtually dead. You can use the starmap's wonderful tools to find out which areas are which through filters.

-If you're about to get popped, click on a celestial object and spam the everloving **** out of the "warp to" button in the top right. The second your ship pops you should enter warp, thus saving your pod.

-Frigates are mostly safe to travel around lowsec in (Save systems that are often smartbomb camped; Rancer is the most common of these). If anything bigger (or, depending on region, maybe even in a frig), make a "travel setup" and carry your normal setup in cargo to be swapped out in station. This includes inertia stabilizers and/or warp core stabilizers in the low slots and a microwarpdrive in the mids. If you have the fitting requirements, maybe fit an afterburner too (Incase your MWD gets shut off) and a little buffer tank (to survive longer). The idea is that you can get into warp fast enough to blow through the camp. If you can't, slam on the MWD and burn back to the gate and jump back through.

You're cloaked thanks to the gate for 30 seconds...and the session change timer (Which stops you from jumping back through) also lasts 30 seconds. Make sure you wait a few seconds before trying to blow through the camp so you can a) see what they have in the camp, and b) let the session change timer tick down a bit.

Also, if you get popped, DO NOT TRY TO JUMP THROUGH THE GATE. Session change timer will kick in again and you wont be able to do anything. Instead, warp off.

If you can fit a cloaking device, you can use the "cloak + MWD trick", which is amazing. This might be a bit far off for you, but when you can, just fit a cloak on top of the normal stuff.

When you see a camp, select a celestial object or wherever you want to warp to. Hit the "Align to" button in the top right. The split second the gate cloak deactivates (e.g. when you start moving), hit the MWD and the cloaking device. The MWD will keep your speed up to around base speed to compensate for the decrease in speed from the cloak.

The MWD will run for one cycle. Then, it will shut off. Once the MWD ends its cycle (you'll start decelerating), turn off the cloak and spam the "Warp to" button in the top right. if done right, they have very little chance to take you out.

In 0.0, bubbles ensure that you can't do this, so your best option is to just burn back to the gate.

Lastly: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, and buy insurance. Don't fly expensive.

you can contact me in game if you need more help

Also,

Quote:
Well, its a game. Sometimes people do badly at them... especially at first. You can try to do better, or quit. No sympathy either way from me, just letting you know that you are not the first (nor last) new guy on eve.


Quoting this. Raging doesn't help anything.

Undrial
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
On the Rocks
Posted - 2009.05.04 03:07:00 - [5]
 

Kahega Amielden-- very very helpful post (especially to a noob like myself!)

WW412
Minmatar
Dominion Gaming
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.05.04 03:16:00 - [6]
 

Ugh, I'm just irked because I'm trying to make an honest buck here. In 5 days I'll be able to fly a Retriever. Well, that's gone to hell because I can't even afford one now. I had a nice Mammoth to haul the ore that I would have mined, but that's gone too. Just sucks because I have zero equipment. I mean, I guess I could fit my newbie ship with civilian miners, mine for a few weeks, and try to get back to where I was this morning. At this point just seems more viable to delete my characters and just start over. Yes, I have about two weeks of train time but I guess its better than two months or two years so I can make it up.

I just don't know where to go from here. Just needed to vent. This morning I had a plan on where I was headed with the ship I was going to fly and a few applications out for Corps. Now I'm broke, without a ship, no Corp, and the sense of any trust is completely gone. I'm sure by tomorrow I'll get over it, just frustrated at the moment. =/


Mike Seary
Minmatar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
Posted - 2009.05.04 03:19:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Mike Seary on 04/05/2009 03:19:23
Originally by: WW412
Ugh, I'm just irked because I'm trying to make an honest buck here. In 5 days I'll be able to fly a Retriever. Well, that's gone to hell because I can't even afford one now. I had a nice Mammoth to haul the ore that I would have mined, but that's gone too. Just sucks because I have zero equipment. I mean, I guess I could fit my newbie ship with civilian miners, mine for a few weeks, and try to get back to where I was this morning. At this point just seems more viable to delete my characters and just start over. Yes, I have about two weeks of train time but I guess its better than two months or two years so I can make it up.

I just don't know where to go from here. Just needed to vent. This morning I had a plan on where I was headed with the ship I was going to fly and a few applications out for Corps. Now I'm broke, without a ship, no Corp, and the sense of any trust is completely gone. I'm sure by tomorrow I'll get over it, just frustrated at the moment. =/




Contact me in game, our corp does fleet mining ops and has a security division set aside to provide protection. We can ALWAYS use more miners.

Oh yeah, and we provide signing bonuses.

Micia
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2009.05.04 03:39:00 - [8]
 

Yah, EVE is one of those "never put all your eggs in one basket" games. ugh

You should definitely do a bit more research on courier contracts, especially if heading into lo-sec (where haulers are easy targets, without an escort) and 0.0 (where you may find you don't even have permission to dock at the station!)

Meet some people; make some friends; heck, even make some enemies.

EVE is a great social experience, and there are many ways to get ahead in a corp full of buddies. Backup & support is always a good idea.

Chill out; take the night off; relax.

Maybe you'll still think it all sucks in the morning (or maybe you won't).

Hope things work out for you. Smile

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2009.05.04 05:45:00 - [9]
 

OP you seem to be following the exact same route I took early on. Nullsec shenanigans and Courier scams and Retrievers and all. I was flat broke all the time wondering why I couldn't catch a break.

But I celebrate three years in Eve tomorrow. I only emoquit once! Very Happy

What I'm getting at is that its a good thing you're becoming acquainted with these problems now, so you can figure out how to avoid them in the future. I don't know how you acquired 26 million ISK in your first two weeks, but if that's the type of money you're bringing in now then I doubt you'll ever be wanting for resources, unless you get into really large-scale trading or building.

The best thing to do now is probably to join a corp. One that isn't shady about anything, and is up front with you about what they do.

Cipher7
Posted - 2009.05.04 11:54:00 - [10]
 


Rule 1 - fly ONLY what you can afford to lose

Could you afford to lose a Mammoth with 26 mil collateral? No.

In the infamous words of Leeroy Jenkins "ur doing it wrong"

In Eve so far I got scammed ONCE, and I'm not even sure it was a scam. About 4 years ago I paid 1 million isk for a shuttle in a 0.0, I was so mad I made a whine post about it, and petititoned it, and about 6 months after the incident CCP refunded my 1 million isk (I schit you not) LOL.

I was so stupid back then. Eve has been good for me. Good for my RL perspective and productivity. I'm 100 times sharper businessperson than I used to be.

Scam LOL? Give it your best shot. If you can scam me you deserve every penny.

We have awesome Devs, awesome community.

Scammers? They couldn't scam their way out of a wet paper bag, they're sitting in Jita trying to scam in local and the scams are scrolling off the screen faster than you can read them.

Criminal masterminds these people are not.Laughing

WW412
Minmatar
Dominion Gaming
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.05.04 12:38:00 - [11]
 

Welp, today is a new day. I got invited to Corp as well. Its funny beucase I made the application before this event and each response I make I get more and more mad. I guess I just have to decide whether to continue my FUBAR character or start new.

I guess I discovered that it is impossible to avoid PvP in this game. I tried the mining aspect of the game now its time to try combat. Just a learning lesson I suppose.

lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2009.05.04 13:51:00 - [12]
 

OP: taking lessons from each of your setbacks is the way to progress in this game. Not whining/ranting as it will get you nowhere and nothing but tears.

1. you lost a mammoth in 0.0/lowsec. Lesson? Don't go there in future unless you ready. Scout your way, learn the area, use your starmap.. all viable ways you can avoid getting popped
2. you got scammed? Lesson is, if it sounds too good to be true, it normally IS too good to be true
3. You're right, there is no way to avoid PVP in this game. The only thing you can do is lessen the chances of it happening to you.
4. Once more, don't get mad. Just try to take something out of your losses, learn some lessons and move on.

This game is a PVP-oriented game, described as a cold dark and harsh universe where everyone is out to beat you down and consume your tears. People who blow you up, scam you etc are just looking to forward themselves in the game. It's all part of the game, as well as all the good bits like people helping newbies etc

Good luck and hope you make it

WW412
Minmatar
Dominion Gaming
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.05.04 14:06:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: lollerwaffle

2. you got scammed? Lesson is, if it sounds too good to be true, it normally IS too good to be true



See, that's what got me. I've done courier missions for the same person before (I recognized the name). I've made a few million off him in fact running contracts.

All in all, I want this game to work. It seems like it could be quite fun once you get into it. I was having a grand ole time running trade routes, buying low, selling high, helping people out in the rookie channel; then I got sucker punched and lost everything. I just can't decide if I should pick up the pieces of this existing character or start with a clean slate. This whole "hey I'll run trade routes and nothing will happen" mentality is gone. If I did start a new character, my first weeks of training will all be combat oriented. Iunno, I'll have to think about it more. /shrug


gfldex
Posted - 2009.05.04 14:40:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: WW412
At this point just seems more viable to delete my characters and just start over.


For all the things that you made happen to you there was a warning message you clicked away. Even if you had a new char you would still lack a clue.

There are a lot of stuff you don't do in EVE. And there is even more stuff you don't do without proper preparations. But all of them require you to know what you are doing. You will have to work on that part or you will stay broke.

Kessiaan
Minmatar
Vagrants Inc
Posted - 2009.05.04 14:41:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Kessiaan on 04/05/2009 14:48:39
Well, I wish you the best of luck, whether you decide to stay or go.

If you stick with it you'll think back to this time and laugh someday - we've all gotten kicked in the nads at some point or another. I know I think back to my rookie days and being broke all the time and all the stupid **** I did (like fall for an obvious courier scam, then haul all my stuff out to some nowhere 0.0 system, only to decide I didn't like and come back to Empire totally broke and shipless and basically have to start all over, or accidentally looting a wreck that wasn't mine with my 120M ISK rigged hauler and promptly get killed by a Rifter, I could go on but you get the idea), and, yeah, it's funny now, but back then I was pretty annoyed as well but I stuck with it and figured things out and now I'm doing pretty well for myself about 20 months in.

Honestly, the main reason I stayed is because I like hard, challenging games. And difficult MMOs are pretty rare these days. Being hard is not the same as beig unfair though - EvE is very fair, and once you get passed the big learning curve it's not even that hard, but I've found the difficulty has been replaced by something even more fun - the competition. I can actually compete in EvE and not just get owned all the time like I do in shooters or RTS games. But now I'm way off-topic so.. back we go.

But spotting courier scams and telling them apart from legit contracts, (not) getting ganked in lowsec, learning nullsec is a bad place unless you know damn sure what you're doing - those are all basic things and it's better to learn the lessons now while it's still cheap.

Joining a good corp is your best bet. Good corps are usually happy to bankroll noobs as fully fit T1 frigs and dessies are a fortune to someone who just started but a pittance to a veteran player. That said most (but not all) highsec Empire corps are pretty crap. It's like everything else in EvE - you get out of it what you put into it and most lessons have to be learned the hard way.

Cipher7
Posted - 2009.05.04 18:07:00 - [16]
 


Don't restart. 4 years from now you gonna look back and laugh.

Just roll with it.

You don't have to PvP, you only have to manage risk.

Every time you undock from lowsec it's a risk that someone's gonna be waiting, so make sure the reward is worth it.

Risk management and planning is the name of the game.

You don't have to fight anybody in this game, just run, run and evade, cloak, escape. It's hilarious when you leave 30 people scratching their balls.

"Fighting" is a misnomer, people don't really fight, they attack your 1 with their 10, if you jump into a gatecamp you're not fighting anybody, your goose is cooked.

I see noobs all the time like "I'm gonna train for 2 years then go into lowsec in my Megathron and kick everyone's a$$" no you're not. You're gonna go into lowsec in a Mega and you're gonna come out 10 minutes later without one.

Whereas if you're smart, you go in with a Rifter, nobody bothers to kill you, you get some nice rats, and maybe come out in 1 piece, and if you're really really lucky you'll find another frigate ratting and kill it, and pop your PvP cherry.

Or maybe he kills you. But you only lost a Rifter and killing 1 rat paid for it. Get it? Risk management.

WW412
Minmatar
Dominion Gaming
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.05.04 18:56:00 - [17]
 

Eh. I guess I'll go back and pick up the pieces. I got some help from future Corp members. The killing blow was really the fact that I have less ISK now than when I started on my first day. I mean, if I had 100mil and lost 26 of it, eh fine **** happens. Well I had 26.5mil and lost 26 of it which put me over the top.

Looks like I've got some rebuilding to do. Confused


Noiashui
Amarr
Emo Rangers
Posted - 2009.05.04 19:12:00 - [18]
 

1) stay out of low-sec till you know what you're doing
2) find a good corp to help you along
3) remember the most vital rule in eve - everybody is out to kill you

have fun ^^

WW412
Minmatar
Dominion Gaming
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.05.04 19:20:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Noiashui

3) remember the most vital rule in eve - everybody is out to kill you




I've always played the "nice guy" role, so I guess I had this one coming to me.

WW412
Minmatar
Dominion Gaming
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.05.04 22:41:00 - [20]
 

So I scourge up the change to buy another Mammoth. Awesome. One last stop to pick up my last assets. Leave the station that is in .4 and lose that ship too. Sat for about 15m and every time I undocked I'd get blown up. Finally got away with nothing and my starter ship to where my new Corp is stationed. FFS, I can't even start the game.


Quantar Raalsken
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.04 22:55:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: WW412
So I scourge up the change to buy another Mammoth. Awesome. One last stop to pick up my last assets. Leave the station that is in .4 and lose that ship too. Sat for about 15m and every time I undocked I'd get blown up. Finally got away with nothing and my starter ship to where my new Corp is stationed. FFS, I can't even start the game.




DUUUUDE?!?! WHAT THE HELL?! u JUST had the worst experience in low sec and u GO BACK?! WTF is wrong with you...ur lesson should have told u to AVOID low sec...not keep going back till things work

set ur market so that it wont show orders in low/null sec (settings is a tab at the top of market window)

WW412
Minmatar
Dominion Gaming
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.05.04 23:32:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Quantar Raalsken
Originally by: WW412
So I scourge up the change to buy another Mammoth. Awesome. One last stop to pick up my last assets. Leave the station that is in .4 and lose that ship too. Sat for about 15m and every time I undocked I'd get blown up. Finally got away with nothing and my starter ship to where my new Corp is stationed. FFS, I can't even start the game.




DUUUUDE?!?! WHAT THE HELL?! u JUST had the worst experience in low sec and u GO BACK?! WTF is wrong with you...ur lesson should have told u to AVOID low sec...not keep going back till things work

set ur market so that it wont show orders in low/null sec (settings is a tab at the top of market window)


Just wanted to pick up the rest of my items. Spent the last 2 weeks at this station. I never even seen anyone in local chat. First time I've seen activity.

Well I'm in a Corp now. They helped out immensely. Don't really see how this game can get any worse from where I am now, so hopefully things will improve.


Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2009.05.04 23:33:00 - [23]
 

I'm a carebear. I don't know how you PvP guys do it. I occasionally go through lowsec systems in a Badger Mark II, and boy does it make my heart pound knowing I'm a big fat target when yellow and red brackets start popping up around me. I know when I'm going in though that I'm taking a risk and could lose my ship, cargo, and implants; sometimes I take the risk, other times I don't. Been lucky so far.

I do research ahead of time. Look at all the stats for the system I'm going into. People killed / podded / docked / number of jumps / etc. All of the stats tell you a lot about the risk in a system.

If you don't want to PvP, then avoid it. Stay in 0.5 and above and you are relatively safe. Of course the only way to be 100% safe is to not hit the undock icon.

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.05.04 23:53:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 04/05/2009 23:53:16
Quote:
So I scourge up the change to buy another Mammoth. Awesome. One last stop to pick up my last assets. Leave the station that is in .4 and lose that ship too. Sat for about 15m and every time I undocked I'd get blown up. Finally got away with nothing and my starter ship to where my new Corp is stationed. FFS, I can't even start the game.


Why do you ignore all the advice given to you?


It sounds to me like you're in an incredibly crowded, pirate-infested region of lowsec. So you took a t1 hauler-the most vulnerable ship in existence-back into the same pocket of lowsec? No scout? You didn't even bother to ask in this very thread about how you could do something like that without getting repeatedly ganked? Didn't ask your new corp?

Your problem is that you refuse to learn. Lowsec is very manageable, but you seem to go about with this "I'll be fine, it wont happen THIS time" mindset. You need to act affirmatively to protect yourself. If you don't know how, ask.


You had a corp. I'm sure one of them would have been able to scout for you had you asked..or even, perhaps, gotten your stuff out for you with a blockade runner.

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.05.04 23:57:00 - [25]
 

Quote:
I'm a carebear. I don't know how you PvP guys do it. I occasionally go through lowsec systems in a Badger Mark II, and boy does it make my heart pound knowing I'm a big fat target when yellow and red brackets start popping up around me. I know when I'm going in though that I'm taking a risk and could lose my ship, cargo, and implants; sometimes I take the risk, other times I don't. Been lucky so far.

I do research ahead of time. Look at all the stats for the system I'm going into. People killed / podded / docked / number of jumps / etc. All of the stats tell you a lot about the risk in a system.

If you don't want to PvP, then avoid it. Stay in 0.5 and above and you are relatively safe. Of course the only way to be 100% safe is to not hit the undock icon.


The best way is to just learn how to survive in lowsec, and trust something other than lady luck with your ship + cargo.

In a t1 indy, you can do this by fitting agility mods and/or WCS, and maybe a MWD if you can to burn back to the gate and a bit of a buffer tank. However, simply making sure that you're not going through dangerous, overcamped areas is also a very good idea.

Tallaran Kouros
Cryptonym Sleepers
Posted - 2009.05.05 10:54:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander
I'm a carebear. I don't know how you PvP guys do it. I occasionally go through lowsec systems in a Badger Mark II, and boy does it make my heart pound knowing I'm a big fat target when yellow and red brackets start popping up around me.



As you hint at, it's all about risk management.

The only time I travel through lowsec these days is in a covert ops with a cloak, and I need to screw up pretty badly in order to die at a lowsec gate camp.

As a carebear you might not get how the "PvP guys" manage it, but 0.0 is an entirely different ball game.

Close to your home systems you have intel channels and alliance/corp mates looking out for you and you generally feel *far* safer than you do in lowsec, as counter-intuitive as that may sound.

More people should give 0.0 a try - get in with a good bunch and you can have some good laughs, plus the pew pew fleets are fun :)

Taipan Leviathan
Dark Star Confederation
The Ancients.
Posted - 2009.05.05 12:24:00 - [27]
 

Stay out of lowsec when you are just 2 weeks old.


Don't buy,trade,mine,scan,fly trough lowsec until you know what ur doing.

Mkay?

Ms Delerium
Posted - 2009.05.05 13:23:00 - [28]
 

This game is very noob-unfriendly

I lost near a billion in my "first" days, I suffered some terrible losses, specially one of them when I was podded in +5 plants

I learnt from every single mistake and rarely repeat it. Thats the way. Some months later, I managed to find the guy who podded me and made him lose a faction fitted ship (thanks to some mates help ofc) and it was the most rewarding moment for me.

Stop crying and learn the game mechanics. The more noob you are, the less you have to lose. Who cares about losing a T1 hauler. You will buy another one some hours later.

advice: DONT pretend to recover your destroyer/items that are in hostile zone. Just right click and sell them, or trash them, or just leave them there. Buy another one like if that didnt exist.


 

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