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Merlinde
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.06.29 20:26:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Merlinde on 29/06/2009 20:42:07
I ran a c6 Radar site with my dread and it is able to tank all of the sleepers (Thats if u run the shield/armor booster perma run while in siege mode). My Citadel Torps are able to hit the battleships hard enough to kill them with just a few vollys. I was able to tank 12+1 battleships and 15 Cruisers. It was more of a stale mate after the battleships died since I couldn't hit the cruisers. Soon after I was tackled by a mob and self destructed my dread so they wouldn't get the kill mail. So now I'm short isk and a dread.

I'm asking for donations to replace my dread. =)


ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
Posted - 2009.06.29 23:07:00 - [182]
 

Fear not oh dear...

Thou shalt not have died in vain!

You are, so far, the only confirmed case of tanking a C6 spawn in a dread. Seems like you had to use a tanking setup to do it, and knowing you can two volley a sleeper BS makes it very worth the effort to get them in (to me at least).

I have updated the guide.

There is one delima, the guy that I asked to write the dreadnought fact sheet did not complete it, care to pick up where he left off?

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2009.06.29 23:12:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 29/06/2009 23:12:37
Originally by: Merlinde
Edited by: Merlinde on 29/06/2009 20:42:07
I ran a c6 Radar site with my dread and it is able to tank all of the sleepers (Thats if u run the shield/armor booster perma run while in siege mode). My Citadel Torps are able to hit the battleships hard enough to kill them with just a few vollys. I was able to tank 12+1 battleships and 15 Cruisers. It was more of a stale mate after the battleships died since I couldn't hit the cruisers. Soon after I was tackled by a mob and self destructed my dread so they wouldn't get the kill mail. So now I'm short isk and a dread.

I'm asking for donations to replace my dread. =)




You need to have your friendly neigborhood scanner ship watching your back next time. Wink

Liteshow
Caldari
A Lite in the Darkness
Posted - 2009.06.30 20:31:00 - [184]
 

Friendly bump!
Great work on this Arc!

Allan Atlantica
Gallente
Posted - 2009.07.20 09:29:00 - [185]
 

Regarding K162 WH's needing to be spawned by probing and entering the originating WH, I do not believe that is correct. We live in a Class 3 WH and we get K162 spawns all the time. Many of them come from unpopulated w-space systems. We watch our system closely, and I don't believe anyone is coming through the WH when it spawns. Rather, I think it's just appearing when the originating end spawns.

One thing I'm confused about though, is that I was under the impression that the originating end of a WH is static, but we have random originating WH's appearing too.

AeonOfTime
Minmatar
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
Posted - 2009.07.20 12:00:00 - [186]
 

Quote:
2. Wspaces can be buried (confirmed) up to 3 Wspaces deep. This means that you would have to cross 3 Wspaces to get out of Wspace and into the nearest Kspace!


I can confirm this up to 4, although over the span of 6 days. First WH was a class 2, next was a class 3 from which I found a class 2, then a class 3 again. Currently trying to get out of that one. Don't know if it counts, as some of the exits had disappeared until I could log on again.

Very interesting read, Arc. Kudos for a great guide indeed!

crazygirly
Caldari
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2009.07.30 23:58:00 - [187]
 

Didn't find any threads or info in this type of site, but this is what ive found in a Class 3 system so far.

Magnetometric

Forgotten Frontier Recursive Depot

9 cans/artifacts

Initial spawn:

2 Awakened Defender (cruiser class ?)
4 Emergant Preserver (frigate class ?)

Haven't completed it yet.. Plz provide some more info if you have some.

Dard Reguloni
Gallente
The-Forsaken
Posted - 2009.08.18 11:31:00 - [188]
 

Just a little side note. i accidently stumbled across a c5 WH in a 1.0 system. So im assuming that the sec status of the space doesnt affect what class WHs spawn in them?

Ashmira Wintereyes
Caldari
Free Spirits
Posted - 2009.08.19 11:30:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: ArcDragon
Fear not oh dear...

Thou shalt not have died in vain!

You are, so far, the only confirmed case of tanking a C6 spawn in a dread. Seems like you had to use a tanking setup to do it, and knowing you can two volley a sleeper BS makes it very worth the effort to get them in (to me at least).

I have updated the guide.

There is one delima, the guy that I asked to write the dreadnought fact sheet did not complete it, care to pick up where he left off?


ArcDragon, not for flaming or whatever, but wouldnt it be best to doublecheck statements before implementing them into the guide.

Ofcourse im not saying the OP on the dread is talking out of his lower regions, but confirmation on things would be best i guess.

@the one having posted about having eyes around for possible gang actvity, i have no skills to fly nor have i flown a dread before, but as far as i know you cant move while being in siege mode and it takes 10 minutes orso to get out of it when not mistaken. You may correct me if im wrong ofcourse ;)

Ace Secunda
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2009.08.20 18:59:00 - [190]
 

The small size of even the BS signature radius and the sheer damage the spawn + the extra 6 BS this cap ship will spawn makes this highly unlikely.

Best to get screen captures at least or witness something in a statement like this first hand.

Ace Secunda
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2009.08.20 19:01:00 - [191]
 

Quote:
Just a little side note. i accidently stumbled across a c5 WH in a 1.0 system. So im assuming that the sec status of the space doesnt affect what class WHs spawn in them?


A WH to any class of WH System can spawn in any security status empire system, its just rarer for class 5 and 6 holes to link to high sec.

DonSailieri
Dark-Rising
Posted - 2009.08.31 19:45:00 - [192]
 

bump for pure epicness

Forranz
Malice.
Tentative Nature
Posted - 2009.09.26 18:04:00 - [193]
 

Ok here is some information I gathered on a mag site.

****I forgot the trigger on the first two.

NAME: Forgotten Frontier Recursive Depot

Initial Group
2x Cruisers (Awakened Defenders
4x Frigates (Emergent Preservers) Web & Scram [Trigger?]


Reinforcements Wave 1
3x Cruiser (Awakened Defender) [Trigger]?
4x Cruiser (Awakened Upholder) Web

Reinforcements Wave 2
2x Frigate (Emergent Preserver) Web
2x Cruiser (Awakened Upholder) Web
2x Battleship (Sleepless Upholder) Trigger

Reinforcements Wave 3
3x BS (Sleepless Upholder)
3x Frigate (Emergent Preserver) Scram
2x Cruiser (Awakened Upholder)

-Stopped here

Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.29 15:49:00 - [194]
 

Bump for a great thread.


Saurish
Posted - 2009.10.02 06:08:00 - [195]
 

Quote:
3. A class 1 Wspace does not allow anything bigger than a Battle Cruiser through. This is a SHIP class limitation and not a ship MASS limitation, just like some low level mission acceleration gates.


This is incorrect.


- Several Bs's can go into lvl 1-2 WH without any problems.
- WH lvl 1-2 has mass limitation.

We done this yesterday.

Laruant Wiggins
Gallente
Posted - 2009.10.08 15:22:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: Saurish
Quote:
3. A class 1 Wspace does not allow anything bigger than a Battle Cruiser through. This is a SHIP class limitation and not a ship MASS limitation, just like some low level mission acceleration gates.


This is incorrect.


- Several Bs's can go into lvl 1-2 WH without any problems.
- WH lvl 1-2 has mass limitation.

We done this yesterday.


From K-space or W-space? This limitation used to be only from K-space.
Maybe it was changed or originaly a bug?

Lazarus Bregg
FREE GATES
Posted - 2009.10.17 10:49:00 - [197]
 

In this site: Unsecured Frontier Digital Nexus the first trigger is the containers?

Nilder Shadowfiyah
Caldari
3rd Millennium Group
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2009.11.02 02:07:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: Forranz
Ok here is some information I gathered on a mag site.

****I forgot the trigger on the first two.

NAME: Forgotten Frontier Recursive Depot

Initial Group
2x Cruisers (Awakened Defenders
4x Frigates (Emergent Preservers) Web & Scram [Trigger?]


Reinforcements Wave 1
3x Cruiser (Awakened Defender) [Trigger]?
4x Cruiser (Awakened Upholder) Web

Reinforcements Wave 2
2x Frigate (Emergent Preserver) Web
2x Cruiser (Awakened Upholder) Web
2x Battleship (Sleepless Upholder) Trigger

Reinforcements Wave 3
3x BS (Sleepless Upholder)
3x Frigate (Emergent Preserver) Scram
2x Cruiser (Awakened Upholder)

-Stopped here
Final spawn i was taking heat damage on my hi slots

Hideyoshi Kazeshini
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2009.11.02 04:04:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Allan Atlantica
Regarding K162 WH's needing to be spawned by probing and entering the originating WH, I do not believe that is correct. We live in a Class 3 WH and we get K162 spawns all the time. Many of them come from unpopulated w-space systems. We watch our system closely, and I don't believe anyone is coming through the WH when it spawns. Rather, I think it's just appearing when the originating end spawns.

One thing I'm confused about though, is that I was under the impression that the originating end of a WH is static, but we have random originating WH's appearing too.



* QFT. K162's don't have to be probed out by individuals on the other side. I have scanned down uninhabited K162s from our Wspace at "life cycle had not begun yet" just after server restart. Likelihood of someone stealth probing it out just prior to downtime = low

*Yesterday we also had a random originating WH in our wspace (not a K162), so it happens now and then (twice in the past 2 months we've lived in our Wspace).

* Finally, we have a B274 [hsec] that lasts 27 h / cycle (not 24 as listed in all the WH info sites). Anyone confirm duration is longer than usual?

* I have personally probed out a CL 5 from highsec, it just doesn't happen often though.

Marcus Eurealus
Posted - 2009.12.08 02:08:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: Dinkelsen
The exit wormhole of (our) Class 2 W-Space system always connects to a lowsec system. Sometimes it is 1 jump from hisec, sometimes 10. Since the patch oury system is also always connected to at least one other W-Space system. (Class 2 and 4 encountered so far)


We Poped into a C2 in Isaziwa yesterday, and were forced out in Esaeel 41 jumps away !!! in Aridia Shocked


Styx Jester
Posted - 2010.01.25 21:36:00 - [201]
 

Edited by: Styx Jester on 25/01/2010 21:37:52
Link doesn't work.

edit: working now.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.01.26 06:25:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Marcus Eurealus
Originally by: Dinkelsen
The exit wormhole of (our) Class 2 W-Space system always connects to a lowsec system. Sometimes it is 1 jump from hisec, sometimes 10. Since the patch oury system is also always connected to at least one other W-Space system. (Class 2 and 4 encountered so far)


We Poped into a C2 in Isaziwa yesterday, and were forced out in Esaeel 41 jumps away !!! in Aridia Shocked





Using Worm Holes to cross vast space can reveal some interesting things.

The more creepy thing I have seen is the class 3 system with a high sec entry and at the same time a K162 to a 0.0 system 31 jumps away. Never allow yourself to be lulled into a false sense of security by the security status from whence you came.

The "Nth WH deep" thing appears to be true when going from lower to higher class WH systems. Once I was 2 weeks "4 deep" in a class 6 and the only exits were to other WH systems of lesser class. Would there ever be an entry or K162 to K-space? After two weeks such a WH was never found.

Class 5 and class 6 systems from high sec are not as common as when WHs first appeared but they still happen.

It can take weeks to "get home" if you have one. >:-)

Bari Lothar
Posted - 2010.01.26 18:07:00 - [203]
 

babe <3

Celia Therone
Posted - 2010.01.27 08:41:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Forranz

****I forgot the trigger on the first two.

NAME: Forgotten Frontier Recursive Depot

Initial Group
2x Cruisers (Awakened Defenders
4x Frigates (Emergent Preservers) Web & Scram [Trigger?]



I believe that the last of the Awakened Defenders is the trigger not the Emergent Preservers.

Cameron Freerunner
Posted - 2010.01.29 21:06:00 - [205]
 

Nice guide!

I do have a question though. I was reading through the following information:
Quote:
What you want to accomplish is a volume check of all the stuff you are bringing. You want to know the total m3. When you have that divide that number by the total amount of cargo space you have available. This will tell you how many trips you will have to make with all of your transporting ships pitching in. From this you can calculate the total mass you will spend just to get your stuff in the hole.


Did you mean this?
Quote:
When you have all of your gear together, total up the volume. Then, divide that number by the total amount of cargohold space available (you may have to make slight adjustments for items that can't be broken down into stacks, etc). This will give you a rough estimate of the how many ships you will have to use and how many trips they will make. Next, total up the mass of those ships and the number of trips(ship mass x # trips) to figure out what kind of WH mass restrictions you'll be facing.

I ask because it seemed at first like maybe you meant that the mass of the gear would be used to figure everything out. I don't think you meant that, so maybe it just needs a tiny bit of clarification.


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