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ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
Posted - 2009.06.16 15:59:00 - [151]
 

Added sensor strength estimate to sleeper data section tyvm Petyr Baelich

Comac
Posted - 2009.06.16 17:23:00 - [152]
 

Not sure if it's posted yet

Barren has 3000 C50 and 1500 C60

Merlinde
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.06.16 20:41:00 - [153]
 

I live in a c6 and I'm wondering if my dread in siege mode would be able to tank the sleepers?

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2009.06.16 21:36:00 - [154]
 

Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 16/06/2009 21:36:55
Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 16/06/2009 21:36:27
Can any one answer this questions ?

1 that if w-space system does not have static wormhole to other w-space systems it can only have inbound connections ( there no random chance for outbound connection ) ?

2 Any inbound connection have to be scanned out in it orginal spawn posistion in order to appear on the other side ?

Iece Quaan
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.06.16 21:40:00 - [155]
 

Sites WILL despawn with you still in it, if the site reaches it's spawn time limit. This happened to me while I was mining a grav site. The site had been there for days, and I had just got around to clearing it.

I received the error "A node you were using has gone offline", I got disconnected. Was able to log back in immediately. Warped back to the site and it was gone.

I think some of the inconsistency of reports of sites despawning when you leave ( or not ) may be complicated by the fact that they can despawn on a timer as well.

Petyr Baelich
Valar Morghulis.
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.06.17 05:21:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
1 that if w-space system does not have static wormhole to other w-space systems it can only have inbound connections ( there no random chance for outbound connection ) ?

There is always at least one outbound wormhole to somewhere, be it nullsec, lowsec, highsec, or another wormhole. There are no wormholes with 0 connections.

Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
2 Any inbound connection have to be scanned out in it orginal spawn posistion in order to appear on the other side ?

Yes. An inbound, K162 wormhole has to be scanned down on the outbound side, and used, for it to generate the inbound K162 side in your wormhole.

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2009.06.17 10:38:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Petyr Baelich
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
1 that if w-space system does not have static wormhole to other w-space systems it can only have inbound connections ( there no random chance for outbound connection ) ?

There is always at least one outbound wormhole to somewhere, be it nullsec, lowsec, highsec, or another wormhole. There are no wormholes with 0 connections.



I meant for exmaple , the Wh i am in now has static 0.0 exit. The is no random chance that we will have outbound connection f.e to other wormhole? .

Petyr Baelich
Valar Morghulis.
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.06.17 10:48:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
I meant for exmaple , the Wh i am in now has static 0.0 exit. The is no random chance that we will have outbound connection f.e to other wormhole? .

If there is a chance, then it is very low. I've been living in wormhole space for the last month or so and out of the 4 wormholes we lived in we've never had an outbound exit change type on us. Inbounds to various different places do occur randomly, however.

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2009.06.17 10:54:00 - [159]
 

Thank you

Ashmira Wintereyes
Caldari
Free Spirits
Posted - 2009.06.17 13:07:00 - [160]
 

Not sure if it was a glitch, but had a site despawn (magneto) last week where the wrecks i had left to salvage where gone too (i warped back within 4 minutes after leaving the site).

Some site information for those that like it...

Magnetometric:

Forgotten Peremiter Power Array
4 Forgotten Sleeper Artifacts
Class 1 WH -
1st spawn, Awakaned Patroller x2
didnt bother to spend missiles on these to trigger the 2nd spawn, turned on the DCU and analyzed the cans... so no information on the other waves.

ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
Posted - 2009.06.17 13:25:00 - [161]
 

Added the Ladar info, ty Comac!

Merlinde I'd love to know if a dread can do that or not. Keep in mind you WILL spawn 6 of the hardest class of sleeper battleships on arrival in addition to the normal spawn. Seeing as the worst of the lot is BS based, I would imagine a dread could be of some use. Fit for tank and longevity would be the advice coming from someone that currently does not fly a dread. Please let me know if you try it out!

JitaPriceChecker2: If your static wormhole is always pointing into non-Wspaces then you are depending on a RANDOM connection to get into one. Most Wspace residence like to have a reliable connection to known space while others hate it.

The exact way wormholes work is not 100% known, only the programmers can tell you what it is, but the consensus is that the origin in another system exists first, is then scanned and upon arrival or activation it "pokes" through to the destination system and becomes label K162 on the destination side.

Added your info Ashmire, ty!

Leon Mustapha
Amarr
V I R I I
Phalanx Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.17 17:23:00 - [162]
 

The presence of a POS in a wormhole system does NOT change the spawn rate of sites. I've lived in a class 3 wormhole system for 2 months, and the sites have been spawning fine. This has been confirmed by the devs:

Originally by: CCP Chronotis

As was mentioned in the past, the presence of starbases has nothing to do with the resource replenishment as its the presence of yourselves depleting the resources which causes them to dry up and running efficient operations. The systems were never designed to favour permanent settlement but we are looking at diversifying wormhole space to about more than just Tech III and a small amount of isk income from sleeper tags and will look into allowing more w-w space connections so you can go deeper in and find your way to bat country perhaps.



If you have a POS in the system, then the people that live there clear the sites regularily, whereas a system with no POS is much less likely to have the sites cleared as regularily, causing them to build up. This creates the illusion that the spawn rate is lower for systems with a POS.


Class 3 wormhole systems do not spawn the additional 6 sleeper battleships when a capital warps in (confirmed for anomolies and magnetometric sites). This was discovered by building a carrier within the system, since the wormholes connecting to class 3 systems are not big enough to let capitals through.

ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
Posted - 2009.06.17 18:22:00 - [163]
 

Edited by: ArcDragon on 17/06/2009 18:30:22
Edited by: ArcDragon on 17/06/2009 18:27:14
Correct me if I am wrong, but do you not need soveriegnty at level 1 in order to anchor a capital ship array?

Added the blurb about 6+ BS being true only in class 4,5, and 6 wormholes.

Added that CONCORD will stop you from jumping through a wormhole (can not evade). TY!

Cleared up the blurb on POS effects and the "bottoming out" of Wspaces. That's actaully a big mystery solved. TY!

Eadeana
Dark Cross Industries
Posted - 2009.06.17 18:30:00 - [164]
 

No, you need sov to anchor a cap ship maintenance array or a cap ship construction array. You dont need sov to anchor an x-large assembly array which builds carriers and dreads.

Markov Chaney
Posted - 2009.06.17 19:58:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Baar Luun
Anybody else noticed some strange "static" patterns regarding WH?
Normally i scan down a 6 system route in Kor-Azor and there seems to be allways at least one A641 leading to Forge/Citadel/Lonetrek Regions about 2 to 7 jumps away from Jita.
This migt be pure coincidence and my sample size is just 2 weeks long now but if there are other remote corners of the galaxy "reliable" connected to the center this would be interesting to know and very convenient for freighter pilots Very Happy


i scan a few systems in a minmatar region and every day i can find a wormhole that leads to amarr high-sec. when i check stations in the system with the wormhole to amarr space, guess what?

there's an amarr corporation station in the same system as the wormhole to amarr space. if not the same system, then one jump away.

to test this i need to find some remote caldari stations in another faction's region and see if they have wormholes nearby leading to caldari space.

anyone else notice this?

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2009.06.18 01:11:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: ArcDragon


If your static wormhole is always pointing into non-Wspaces then you are depending on a RANDOM connection to get into one.

T


By random you mean inbound connection form other w-pace system that HAVE TO BE scanned by someone else ?

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2009.06.18 03:42:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Originally by: ArcDragon


If your static wormhole is always pointing into non-Wspaces then you are depending on a RANDOM connection to get into one.

T


By random you mean inbound connection form other w-pace system that HAVE TO BE scanned by someone else ?


Wait.
Does this mean that if I am in a WH, and it's a K162, where it leads will not be scannable on the other side until I go through it?

Ashmira Wintereyes
Caldari
Free Spirits
Posted - 2009.06.18 07:21:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Originally by: ArcDragon


If your static wormhole is always pointing into non-Wspaces then you are depending on a RANDOM connection to get into one.

T


By random you mean inbound connection form other w-pace system that HAVE TO BE scanned by someone else ?


Wait.
Does this mean that if I am in a WH, and it's a K162, where it leads will not be scannable on the other side until I go through it?


All wormholes are k162 as it's the name of their exit, i think what's meant to be said here is that the K162 does NOT exist untill someone goes through lets say A641, at that point, a K162 will be formed in a hi-sec system.

Petyr Baelich
Valar Morghulis.
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.06.18 10:07:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Ashmira Wintereyes
All wormholes are k162 as it's the name of their exit, i think what's meant to be said here is that the K162 does NOT exist untill someone goes through lets say A641, at that point, a K162 will be formed in a hi-sec system.

This is correct.

Agent Known
Posted - 2009.06.18 17:58:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Merlinde
I live in a c6 and I'm wondering if my dread in siege mode would be able to tank the sleepers?


I highly doubt it. Considering it will spawn 6 BS along with its normal spawn, the sleepers can likely melt your dread in short order. They also spider rep so even a frigate could likely tank you.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2009.06.23 07:00:00 - [171]
 

*bump*

Lasha Minanka
Posted - 2009.06.23 10:56:00 - [172]
 

its been a dream reading about this...
so much fantastic information about W-space..
However..
this thread has been going on since april.. its now june... :)

Could someone ( ArcDragon ? ) compile a FAW/INFO/PDF on the infor confirmed TO DATE ?
.. and link it in here ? :) im sure it would recieve a sticky quite soon :)

keep up the excellent work.

- Lasha -

ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
Posted - 2009.06.23 14:13:00 - [173]
 

Your right, I think I am going to combine this thread with the tactics thread and the keeping the wormhole thread all into one PDF...maybe my wife will make it look all nice and pretty too.

GOD I love that woman!

balvason
Posted - 2009.06.23 14:32:00 - [174]
 

1. NPC warp scramble ability starts at Class 3 and above. At class 5 EVERY NPC webs and warp scrams, ALL OF THEM. Some do not scram right away, but they are capable.


not quiet true... class too on a mag site... and wow... i was scrammed

Ashmira Wintereyes
Caldari
Free Spirits
Posted - 2009.06.24 09:44:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: balvason
1. NPC warp scramble ability starts at Class 3 and above. At class 5 EVERY NPC webs and warp scrams, ALL OF THEM. Some do not scram right away, but they are capable.


not quiet true... class too on a mag site... and wow... i was scrammed


eh, you ment : a magneto site in a class 2 wormhole had you scrammed i asume??? Do you have a name of the site? if in fact a class 2 site would scram (not webbing as they tend to do that in class 1 too)it probably would be a CORE site and one of the more rare ones to be found in a class 2 system.

ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
Posted - 2009.06.25 19:12:00 - [176]
 

I'll bet he was scrammed in that mag site, and it was probalby one of the harder ones like the above poster suggests. I'll make the correction in the guide i've been working on for days now. It will include everything we know about wormholes and how to set up in one.

I'll be illustrating it tonight.

Ahrbiter
Posted - 2009.06.28 08:52:00 - [177]
 

We just ran Anom's (5 total) and a Radar site in a C4 on Sisi and didn't get any extra BS spawns. We had two carriers at the sites. Can anyone else confirm this or did we break something? We were quite disappointed as it was beyond easy to handle.

ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
Posted - 2009.06.28 16:56:00 - [178]
 

The named sites are new, i wonder if they "forgot" to put that code for the 6 BS in it...defintaly need confirmation on it.

SO MANY VARIABLES.

Ahrbiter
Posted - 2009.06.29 00:54:00 - [179]
 

The anom's and radar sites we did have been around since day one; nothing new there; I should know we have been living in w-space (more than one) since they rolled this out. Seems to me capital escalation only happens in C5 or C6. I read another report (on this thread) that someone did not get capital escalation in a C3. I read plenty of reports that it happens in C5's; but no one (that I've seen) has stated it's happened in a C4. So aside from the fact that something could be broken; my current working theory is that the capital escalation only happens in C5/6 since those are the only ones that can open up to Low/Null-sec with capital sized WH's.

The C4 we are currently in only opens to a C3; and on the very, very, very rare occasion we get a 2nd WH to another C3/4/5/6. Now I'm only speaking from first hand experience; I'm sure C4's do exist out there that connect directly to K-Space; but I'm willing to bet you won't find one with a capital size WH (these would obviously only link to Low/Null-Sec).

As far as capital sized WH's that we've found in Low-Sec, they only linked to C5's (I'm sure there are links to C6's also with capital sized WH's).

I'm gonna venture a guess that the dev's didn't think people would go as far as building a single or even multiple capitals in a WH that never gets a capital link (most people tell me it's crazy since you can't get it out of the W-Space system) so they did not include capital escalation in those W-Space's; but a C5/6 that regularly connects to Low/Null-Sec with capital sized WH would have the ability to bring in a max of 1-2 capitals per WH; thus they wanted to allow capitals in these and put the capital escalation in place to keep people from bringing in 8 spider tanking carriers to cakewalk/farm the C5/6 sites.

ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
Posted - 2009.06.29 19:26:00 - [180]
 

I have gone back through the thread myself and indeed I can not find one case of C4 escalating an encounter due to capital ship involvment. If you guys ran that many without getting those 6 additional battleships in your C4 then that is good enough for me.

I'll make the changes in the guide today, I'm going to wait a little bit longer for additional data from the radar drops before publishing again.

TYVM!


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