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dgasfdhdfhsdfjfadjjc
Posted - 2009.04.28 12:23:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: dgasfdhdfhsdfjfadjjc on 29/04/2009 04:00:28

Yes, this is a random alt I made for the sheer purpose of posting here. Sue me. Don't want the pirates around where I live to know I'm helpless.


I mostly mine and rat in .1-.5 sec. That, mixed with being four months old, mean my combat skills aren't so great; however, it's not normally an issue, as the system I live in is relatively safe, mostly greens and blues. Every once in awhile a red, or ill-meaning neut wil, pop-in. looking for unwary miner or ratter; but, normally I have PvP corpies/blues in system to chase off the unwanted elements.
Sometimes, I'm up far later than I should be, and everyone else is asleep, whilst I'm trying to pull in a few more cans of that wonderful enigma "Kernite." Of course, the reds can't be asleep as well, what-with their not being American. They're normally solo, and are never in anything bigger than a cruiser. Now, at this point, I wouldn't dream of taking on anything bigger by myself, I'll just hide a POS until they get bored thank-you-very-much.

Now, I've tried to chase them off, and each time I fail. Horribly. At the moment, I just got out of a Vexor, and I now fly a Myrmidon fitted with:
1X Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
2X Medium I-a Polarized Armor Regenerator
1x Capacitor Power Relay
1x Explosive Hardener II

1x Stasis Webifier
2x Fb10 Nominal Cap Regen
1x Drone Navigation Computer
1x Medium Tapered Capacitor Infusion (400's)

5x 200mm Scout Accelerator Cannon (Dread Gurista Iron Charges)
1x Drone Link Augmentor
*Cap stable at 53%*

So, I come to with this:What, if anything, am I doing wrong? Is it just my skills? (Which ARE being trained for PvP, but ATM combat is 570K in drones, 800K in Mechanic, and 64K in gunnery. Yeah, I know.)

Inb4carebear. Piracy and the like are part of Eve, even my Anti-Pirate/Miner ass knows and recognizes that. Eve would not be the great thing it is, if it were not for the unsavory elements that keep me on edge.

That being said, I hate you all. So very much. Evil or Very Mad

(Edit:Forgot the cap booster, and cap stability)

Fzhal
Caldari
Retribution. Inc.
E-P-O-C-H
Posted - 2009.04.28 12:34:00 - [2]
 

You are not doing anything wrong but there are some things to consider.

A pirate will only engage if he knows he can win. Also he will have a lot more skills than you because he is concentrating on combat.

wowtard
Posted - 2009.04.28 12:39:00 - [3]
 

I liek how you asked how to defend yourself and didn't complain.

H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits Academy
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2009.04.28 13:08:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: H Lecter on 28/04/2009 13:09:06
4 months old and flying a Myrmidon? - You should not...

This fitting would be a good goal to train for:

[Myrmidon, Small fleet/solo]
Energized Reactive Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II x2
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II x2

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
F-392 Baker Nunn Targeting Scrambler, Tracking Speed Disruption
Medium Brief Capacitor Overcharge I, Cap Booster 800

50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M x5 (Autocannons would be even better as they don't consume capacitor)

Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
Warrior II x5
Valkyrie II x5

With your current skills I'd honestly advise you to fly a frigate instead. They're cheaper to lose and you'll learn a lot in the process.

[EDIT: Good attitude!]

dgasfdhdfhsdfjfadjjc
Posted - 2009.04.28 14:02:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: H Lecter
Edited by: H Lecter on 28/04/2009 13:09:06
With your current skills I'd honestly advise you to fly a frigate instead. They're cheaper to lose and you'll learn a lot in the process.



But...
But...
Drones! Crying or Very sad

Quote:
[EDIT: Good attitude!]


If you think that you've seen whiners here, come hang out in the Team Fortress 2/Left 4 Dead forums a bit.
Valve released a patch containing this:"Added the ability for players to permanently delete items from their inventory using the new Backpack menu. This does not reset achievements. Once an item has been deleted it can never be re-earned"
Now everyone is raging at Valve, because apparently TF2 is going to turn into WoW:The FPS Rolling Eyes
This place is full of calm reasonable people, in comparison.

lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2009.04.28 14:30:00 - [6]
 

You've made a good start with not mixing your tanks and a decent attitude. Learn the ropes by flying a smaller ship. They're cheaper to lose and easier to skill up for. In time you will learn what you can handle and what you can't. I suggest checking out battleclinic for decent fits for different roles.

Cap rechargers/cap power relays: Most pvp situations don't require you to be cap stable, it's better to try and get a better tank that will last for a couple of minutes or better damage, as most fights only last a few minutes at most, if even that. (Also, cap recharger II's are the ultimate carebear module, almost every bear I've popped has dropped those)

Jack Icegaard
The Omega Project
Posted - 2009.04.28 14:45:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 28/04/2009 14:50:08
It seems that you are trying to chase them away from long range (iron charges, Drone Link Augmentor)? Why is that? The strength of hybrid turrets is mainly in its short range ammo. Antimater will do about 2.4 times as much damage. When you say that you fail horribly, does that mean that they merge and kill you from short range?

Here are some suggestions:

Get short range ammo

As you are using drones, make sure you got the Drone Interfacing skill. (huge boost to drones)

Don't engage interceptors until you can use Warrior II

Fit another turret instead of the Drone Link Augmentor and a disruptor instead of the Drone Navigation Computer. Never engage in PvP with no means to hold down your enemy when you are winning.

Good luck

Saaya Illirie
Caldari
Absinthe Brothers
Posted - 2009.04.28 17:06:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Saaya Illirie on 28/04/2009 17:08:10
Edited by: Saaya Illirie on 28/04/2009 17:07:21
I noticed, before you even got to the part where you talked about pirates, that you're chiefly interested in Kernite. So here's some helpful links (which aren't linked because I'm lazy, copy paste them):

http://wiki.eveonline.com/w/images/b/be/Ore_grid.gif (shows which ore is where for everything above 0.0 sec)

http://www.fluidorbit.co.uk/ (search for systems with Kernite in Domain, Tash-Murkon, Khanid, Kador, Aridia, or Derelik)

Kernite is available in many high-sec Amarrian systems 0.5-0.7 (no pirates, just can flippers), with rarer minerals in lower sec. Combined with the fact CVA presumes to defend low-sec Domain (particularly around Mamet) you can probably make isk off of Jaspet and Hemorphite as well.

As for tips on fighting low-sec pirates; they often are cap reliant and focus on active tanking supplemented with cap boosters, so focus on a strong tank (can get 600-800 on a Myrmidon) and fit neutralizers to kill theirs. Fit point, scram, web, drones, and anything necessary to support your tank. If you can tank their dps, which will be no higher than 600 for anything HAC or small, you'll eventually win.

H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits Academy
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2009.04.28 17:14:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: dgasfdhdfhsdfjfadjjc
But...
But...
Drones! Crying or Very sad



Then fly a Vexor! It is one of the most powerful cruisers in game.

You're obviously a fellow drone ***** Very Happy Good luck for your Eve career.

Culprit Dea
Posted - 2009.04.28 19:47:00 - [10]
 

hmm, interesting post. While some people have made some good points, I'll give my 2 cents. First off, what do you mean by "chase them off"? And what do you mean by "failing" to chase them off? Do they kill you? Do they stay in system so long that you can't mine? Also, do you want to kill them, or just have them leave you alone? I presume the latter. If so, I'd just get into a rookie ship or something cheap, and fly around. Nobody will waste much time trying to track down a rookie ship, and if you're the only one in system (as per your late night comment), he'll move on. By you flying out in a myrm when someone comes into system, I would immediately notice 4 month old player in a BC = easy target. If anything, you're enticing the pvp'er to spend some time scanning you down.

So my advice to you is, if you're trying to get them to leave you alone, swap out into a frig/rookie ship and just fly around a bit until they leave. If you're trying to kill them, then train those combat skills and stay in something more appropriate to your sp level. If you enjoy mining and don't want to be bothered training combat skills, then just move to another system.

Hope that helps.

Anubis Xian
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.04.28 19:54:00 - [11]
 

Get a Blackbird and **** them off too much to bother fighting you. Or hell, a Celestis. ECM is the best friend of the underskilled.

Namdor
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2009.04.28 20:01:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Namdor on 28/04/2009 20:01:43
I'd get back in that vexor, personally. One of the best cruisers around. Look up some decent PvP fits for it, either here or on Scrapheap Challenge. You probably don't have the skills to fit them, but it should give you an idea of what to train for, and you can downgrade to what you can fit in the mean time.

dgasfdhdfhsdfjfadjjc
Posted - 2009.04.28 23:28:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Saaya Illirie
Edited by: Saaya Illirie on 28/04/2009 17:08:10
Edited by: Saaya Illirie on 28/04/2009 17:07:21
Kernite is available in many high-sec Amarrian systems 0.5-0.7 (no pirates, just can flippers), with rarer minerals in lower sec.


I'm aware of this, but I stay here for two reason
1)Bigger rocks=Less wasted cycles
2)Since training Drone Interfacing IV, I can actually kill half-decent rats while mining, and make an extra 500K-1M an hour.

Quote:
Do they kill you?

Yes

Quote:
Do they stay in system so long that you can't mine?

They're normally in and out in five minutes, although I've had a few who stayed long enough for me to catch up on some reading

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Also, do you want to kill them

I have no idea why one would not desire to return the favor, that they are so adamant on giving me Laughing

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I would immediately notice 4 month old player in a BC = easy target.

I, uh, never thought about it like that.

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Then fly a Vexor! It is one of the most powerful cruisers in game.

I actually semi-listened to your previous post, and did just that.

And, uh, thanks for the he-I MEAN, GRRRR DIRTY PIRATES.

Misaniovent
Invicta.
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2009.04.29 02:11:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Misaniovent on 29/04/2009 02:11:42
First, I think you have the right attitude. You have several options:

You can setup your ship to escape.
You can mine veldspar in highsec and probably make more money when you take into account the ships you don't lose.
You can fight back.

It sounds to me like you want to pick the last option. You understand that your skills are not up to par with likely pirates. That's great. People have already explained that flying a bigger ship with weak skills only makes you a juicier target, and it looks like you understand that too.

Again, great. Now if you're serious about fighting back, you're going to need to train your skills. Train all of the relevant combat skills to either level 4 or level 3, with engineering and electronics both trained to V. It shouldn't take that long. Research how best to fit your Vexor for PVP. You will probably want a strong buffer, since an actively-tanked cruiser is probably not going to hold up that well against a player with better skills. Your tank will break and you will crumble.

Instead, fit a 1600mm plate, a damage control, two energized adaptive nano membranes, and small guns (blasters) in the top. Fit a warp scrambler, a web, and a MWD. Frigates will no longer be an issue for you, and pilots in many cruisers will be fair game.

Carry your mining drones with you if you mine in your Vexor. Also carry five Vespa EC-600 drones. These are your "get out of jail free cards." If things are clearly not going your way, launch them.

Other tactical things: stay passively aligned to a station while mining. This is a better option than stabs. Simply align to a station, and stop your ship. If a bigger fish than you shows up, you can warp very fast.

Second, if you're in a Vexor, your primary DPS comes from your drones. So feel free to use your small guns to kill his drones, if he has them. He will probably do the same to you, so monitor your drones carefully and pull them when he starts firing on them.

Learn to use your scanner if you haven't already. Finally, make sure your overview is setup correctly. These last two are the most important things for any player just starting out in PVP to learn.

You also need to accept that you're going to keep dying. But when you know how to fight back, you'll enjoy doing it.

And if you really want to be left alone, you're going to need to find a quiet .5 in highsec.

Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2009.04.29 02:23:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 29/04/2009 02:27:12
Originally by: H Lecter

Then fly a Vexor! It is one of the most powerful cruisers in game.



I'd go with this advice. The vexor is not only cheaper, but also due to its size has a better chance to bail out of a fight you cant win (if you run before you are scrambled and webbed!).

Besides its one of the best t1 combat cruisers around.

A 4 month old character in a battlecruiser going to lowsec is just asking to get killed in a very humiliating way.

If its just about getting your feet wet I'd even say buy a bunch of Incursuses (Incursi?), and go ratting in a full pvp fit. Wait to get jumped by a pirate, and try to take him down.

Ashina Sito
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.04.29 03:03:00 - [16]
 

Train ECM drones.

Carry 5 Vespa 600's

When the pirate attacks send the drones at him and warp off.

Fit enough of a tank to stay up for a little bit incase the drones don;t kick in the first cycle.

Make bookmarks along the belt and mine from them rather then warping in and flying to the rocks.

Be aligned to a warp out, don;t have to be moving per say. You can fly back and forth alternaiting your direction if needed.

lastly... mine Veld in high sec, eaier, safer, more ISK.

Note: I mined Jaspet from day 16 to week 7 of my starting Eve. Low sec, solo using a Cat and up to a Domi. Only lost a ship when I walked away fomr the keyboard to get a drink or something. Just to make you cry, I sold the Jaspet for 285 ISk per unit back then. Drone regions nurfed low sec mining big time. Untill CCP does somethign your better off with the Veld in high sec. ugh

Grek Forto
Crosshair Corp
Posted - 2009.04.29 06:50:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Grek Forto on 29/04/2009 06:50:56
Originally by: dgasfdhdfhsdfjfadjjc

If you think that you've seen whiners here, come hang out in the Team Fortress 2/Left 4 Dead forums a bit.
Valve released a patch containing this:"Added the ability for players to permanently delete items from their inventory using the new Backpack menu. This does not reset achievements. Once an item has been deleted it can never be re-earned"
Now everyone is raging at Valve, because apparently TF2 is going to turn into WoW:The FPS Rolling Eyes
This place is full of calm reasonable people, in comparison.


Oh yeah, those forums are horrible. EVE Forums are like "Hey guys, wanna play? We can have fun and you can borrow my toys.", while those forum are "Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, they took my toyz!!!11!!!"

Edit: (In comparison to each other.)

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2009.04.29 11:51:00 - [18]
 

1) Kernite sucks, why do you bother and most of all why don't you mine it in high sec?

2) Your fit is like PvE, you are not going to scare nor to tackle anyone with it. I wonder how don't you get yourself killed by using that.

3) I suggest you join Agony Unleashed PvP courses so you get an idea on how to react and generally what to do. PvP is more than showing up with a myrmidon and pressing a big gun.

4) Fight them with what works. They come in a frigate? You can answer back in a destroyer (if you want to have the upper hand more than figthing "fairly").


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I would immediately notice 4 month old player in a BC = easy target.
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I, uh, never thought about it like that



Well, if you are 4 months old and mining, then you can't really be _that_ competitive at BC skills.

Did you even get your medium racial weapon / drones specialization? Are you fitting enough stuff (ie you trained weapon upgrades to 4+ or even advanced weapon upgrades?)

Are you using T2 weapons? Those coming to gank you probably do.

Molly Milli0ns
Posted - 2009.04.29 15:15:00 - [19]
 

Good OP, but we need some more info on how your combat went... such as what ships you faced, whether or not you could hit them, what range they engaged you at, what type of drones you used against them, and so on.

Like other posters said, low SP players in BCs have a disadvantage though your fit is not all bad. If you're fighting in a ship make sure you have the ship skill (Gall frig, BC or Gall Cruiser) up to at least IV.

Kavu
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.04.29 15:22:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Kavu on 29/04/2009 15:37:43
not a good pvp setup at all, but good attitude so ill help out, i have bolded my reccomended changes and underlined my comments


I now fly a Myrmidon fitted with:
1X Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

2X Medium I-a Polarized Armor Regenerator

1x Capacitor Power Relay replace with DC2

1x Explosive Hardener II


1x Stasis Webifier

2x Fb10 Nominal Cap Regen lose these for a mwd and a scram

1x Drone Navigation Computer not needed, use this utility slot for some eccm

1x Medium Tapered Capacitor Infusion (800's)

5x 200mm Scout Accelerator Cannon (Dread Gurista Iron Charges) lose the railguns for blasters, with t2 blaster skills you can carry null for tracking and faction anti matter for damage

1x Drone Link Augmentor this slot could be better used by a neut if you have the pg

*Cap stable at 53%* Dont worry about this too much, most fights arent going to last long enough for you to notice, and the cap charges will give you more than enough cap


oMAKo
Gallente
Kiroshi Group
Exiliar Syndicate
Posted - 2009.04.29 18:24:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: H Lecter
Originally by: dgasfdhdfhsdfjfadjjc
But...
But...
Drones! Crying or Very sad



Then fly a Vexor! It is one of the most powerful cruisers in game.

You're obviously a fellow drone ***** Very Happy Good luck for your Eve career.



This, I'd use a vexor as there cheap. I use this set-up to kill Flippers. Great fun when they realise they've been duped! mine away with your crappy miner and mining drones. When they steal your can, abandon your mining drones, and send out your Hammer's. Then suck them dry whilst your drones chew them up. And if you die, meh its only a vexor.

[Vexor, Flipper Bait]
Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Basic Adaptive Nano Plating

Warp Scrambler I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
10MN Afterburner I

Basic Miner
Small Nosferatu I
Small Nosferatu I
Medium Energy Neutralizer I
Medium Energy Neutralizer I

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Mining Drone I x2

yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats
Posted - 2009.04.29 18:57:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Misaniovent

Other tactical things: stay passively aligned to a station while mining. This is a better option than stabs. Simply align to a station, and stop your ship. If a bigger fish than you shows up, you can warp very fast.



You need to be at speed to insta warp. Your ship graphic may have a front and a back but as far as the game engine is concerned it's just a sphere, the sphere accelerates from 0 m/s to warp speed in the same way regardless of the direction portrayed by the graphic.

Otherwise some good advice in this thread, vexors are dangerous when flown right :)

FlyinS
Caldari
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Posted - 2009.04.29 21:49:00 - [23]
 

Let me get this straight, are you looking to fend off all pirates or just the odd ones?

Because I find almost all pirates to be odd. All that Yarrr! and parrot business.


Kavu
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.04.30 03:46:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: FlyinS
Let me get this straight, are you looking to fend off all pirates or just the odd ones?

Because I find almost all pirates to be odd. All that Yarrr! and parrot business.




i like parrots, i just cant eat a whole one myself


dgasfdhdfhsdfjfadjjc
Posted - 2009.05.01 09:03:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
1) Kernite sucks, why do you bother and most of all why don't you mine it in high sec?


1)Because you can pull in more per can with unrefined Kernite than most other ores.

2)Bigger rocks, less wasted cycles, and my drone skills are good enough to pop the BS rats that come in.


 

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