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Jasmin Soulscream
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.04.27 22:11:00 - [331]
 

Originally by: Hideo Ah
Edited by: Hideo Ah on 27/04/2009 22:00:00
Originally by: Graalum

TCF have all but abandoned tenerifis to save wicked creek, xdeath are a no-show and are losing about 10 towers a day, even with AAA/ROL out here rkz is making progress in querious.



I don't know anything about Tenerifs.

GKC making progress in Querious though? LOL, WAT? Losing at tower spam catchup in a system of dubious worth while systematically loosing all strategic income isn't quite what most people would term, 'progress'.


its atlas post it must be true

Graalum
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.04.27 22:32:00 - [332]
 

Originally by: Hideo Ah
Edited by: Hideo Ah on 27/04/2009 22:00:00
Originally by: Graalum

TCF have all but abandoned tenerifis to save wicked creek, xdeath are a no-show and are losing about 10 towers a day, even with AAA/ROL out here rkz is making progress in querious.



I don't know anything about Tenerifs.

GKC making progress in Querious though? LOL, WAT? Losing at tower spam catchup in a system of dubious worth while systematically loosing all strategic income isn't quite what most people would term, 'progress'.


getting stations > taking moons at this point. Moons are too easy to take/lose. To take stations, you have to put down poses. This isn't that hard.

Zyxphoni
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.04.27 22:35:00 - [333]
 

Cutting analysis from a Scrapheap Superstar.

"Money is not necessary to win a war."

I would describe that as biting, no, gripping analysis.

Graalum
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.04.27 22:37:00 - [334]
 

Edited by: Graalum on 27/04/2009 22:38:56
Originally by: Zyxphoni
Cutting analysis from a Scrapheap Superstar.

"Money is not necessary to win a war."

I would describe that as biting, no, gripping analysis.


you aren't talking about me are you?

i have 15 times more posts on caod than shc, so nope, ima caod superstar

rkz will never hold the moons of querious/delve without holding the stations, goons won't be able to hold the moons of q/d without holding the stations.


plus as we have established already, its not very hard to play moon pong, compared to station pong.

Admiral FANTASY
Amarr
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.04.27 23:48:00 - [335]
 

Originally by: Graalum
Edited by: Graalum on 27/04/2009 22:38:56
Originally by: Zyxphoni
Cutting analysis from a Scrapheap Superstar.

"Money is not necessary to win a war."

I would describe that as biting, no, gripping analysis.


you aren't talking about me are you?

i have 15 times more posts on caod than shc, so nope, ima caod superstar

rkz will never hold the moons of querious/delve without holding the stations, goons won't be able to hold the moons of q/d without holding the stations.


plus as we have established already, its not very hard to play moon pong, compared to station pong.


(Atlas)

CARY
Caldari
Metanoia.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.04.27 23:57:00 - [336]
 

You mean ATLESS

Hideo Ah
Gallente
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.04.28 00:16:00 - [337]
 

Originally by: Graalum

getting stations > taking moons at this point. Moons are too easy to take/lose. To take stations, you have to put down poses. This isn't that hard.


Well, you let me know when they manage to break our 16 to 1 station majority then.

Also, every moon in H74 is now POS'd, guess who has the majority of those?

You know? You were right, it wasn't that hard.

Serj Darek
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.04.28 01:00:00 - [338]
 

Originally by: Hideo Ah
Originally by: Graalum

getting stations > taking moons at this point. Moons are too easy to take/lose. To take stations, you have to put down poses. This isn't that hard.


Well, you let me know when they manage to break our 16 to 1 station majority then.

Also, every moon in H74 is now POS'd, guess who has the majority of those?

You know? You were right, it wasn't that hard.


Why so serious, you mad?







The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.04.28 01:17:00 - [339]
 

sorry caod i was off yachting and i forgot to post over the weekend hope this helps!

Originally by: 4/26 mittens on a boat

4/26/09 UPDATE

Yesterday, RKZ had their big 13:00 formup. They got 70 capitals together, jumped them into 5V, then dithered around and jumped them out for fear of us destroying their capfleet a second time. Then they dithered around. There was a lot of time spent with our scouts just watching their fleet do nothing. At last, they spammed 5 towers in our H74 station system in Querious, but they didn't take the jammer down. It has been a few days now since RKZ has actually reinforced a POS - the P4 R64 - and that was with -A- help. The last time RKZ solo-reinforced a tower successfully? It's happened, but it's been a while. I'd have to look it up.

One could interpret the H74 action and their dithering as part of a grand plan of delay to keep us occupied while they get Sov3 in 49-, which is approaching soon. While they delay, our allies had a welp day in Tenerifis, with TCF losing a Titan to a classic -A-/ROL 'oops you jumped solo to a tower' ambush. The most positive spin you could put on RKZ's efforts is that they are distracting us, hoping for A/ROL to come back once 49 hits sov3 and the second front is gone. Thankfully, we have intel assets to tell us that the indecision was genuine, though the de facto impact may be the same as the 'grand plan' concern.

For our part, we sieged all nine of the hostile towers in H74 (4 were there previously and never destroyed), captured the JZL R64 from RKZ for KIA (RKZ now only owns 5 R64s, all are in RF), and sieged M0O. PL ninja-sieged the Tukhanas EXE R64 and it comes out in late pacific time, which has consistently resulted in dead hostile moon miners.

Today eurotime will mainly focus around RKZ repping. They have a ****load of towers to rep in H74 as well as some of their remaining R64s. With the situation being ugly in Tenerifis we must refocus our attentions on 49. Where previously it was a better idea to let the second front buy us time to remove the RKZ R64 network, now we're presented with a strategic choice of H74 or 49. 49 is the obvious choice.

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.04.28 01:19:00 - [340]
 

4/27 begins a new overview thread plus a daily update

Originally by: weekly overview

OVERVIEW:

At this moment, the course of the war hangs in the balance. We are at the utmost risk and our complacency threatens to doom us all. The situation in Tenerifis is extremely unstable, and the TCF/XIX front which is occupying -A- could collapse at any moment, bringing about the prospect of 1200 hostiles in a jammed 49-.

For more than 14 days we have ****d our way across Querious and Period Basis, and after Sunday is it apparent that - even in the face of a concerted counterattack by RKZ, SE, Coven and AAA - goons think that things are on the up and up, and that it is safe to rest or slack off. We have done well, this is true. We have not lost a capital fleet, we have captured a nexus of stations in Period Basis and we have ripped the RKZ R64 list down to five from sixteen. But due to events beyond our control, in the next few days it is all the more critical that we accelerate the **** schedule.

War can turn on a dime, and in Tenerifis that dime is turning. It's far enough away that it is difficult to achieve clarity about the TCF/XIX/ATLAS/AAA war, but it is possible that tomorrow 46DP will be lost. It is also possible that 46DP will be defended and Sov3 for XIX secured. By this point in the overview, the average goon is probably wondering "How can this be, when things have been overall so rosy in our war updates until now?" Easy: In the past two days, since TCF lost their titan, our allies have had their towers sieged and hostile participation has surged. All it takes is one slip.

For the next few days, until the situation stabilizes noticeably, we need everyone who can fly a BS in a BS. We need everyone who can fly a capital in a capital, and we need you in the fleet whenever possible.

Now, front by front.

DELVE FRONT:

This isn't much of a front. 8RQ flipped to Sov4, joining J-L. In the next week or so, much of the rest of OUR REGION will flip to constellation sov and have capitals. This is p. chill.

Two points of hostile interest in Delve remain: 1-SMEB for RKZ and MO0 for EXE. Both are logistics points but lack R64s, so these are sieged on an ad hoc basis.

There is some random alliance of farmers called 'Drunk and Stoned' with 2 nonstation systems in Delve; we've ignored them for the whole time and will continue to ignore them until more important targets are dead and gone.


PERIOD BASIS FRONT:

In the past two weeks, the bulk of our efforts and our rewards have involved this region. Beach Boys and Frontal Impact have been purged. All but one R64 (RJ3H) of nine have been captured for our allies.

Executive Outcomes and their three stations are all that remain; their jump bridge network has been cut down to a stub. Their cynogen network to Empire was snipped more than a week ago, such that they have great difficulty getting anything bigger than a carrier in and out of the region. In Aridia today, EXE lost their only R64 to Pandemic Legion.

Responding to these ugly realities, EXE Corp 'Dark Rising Shadow' was scouted today tearing down their towers. Perhaps others will be following, soon.

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.04.28 01:20:00 - [341]
 

Originally by: Weekly overview 4/27 part two

QUERIOUS FRONT:

Querious has gotten more interesting with the first deployment of new RKZ towers in a while. In non-station news, we have cut down RKZ's R64s to only four in this region: 2x in 49, C-7, and P4.

H74:

Beginning on Saturday, RKZ has deployed 5 towers in H74 each day since, to a present total of 19. Four of those towers were in the system and online, and had never been cleaned up before the front became active again. We have responded by counterspamming with 5 each day ourselves, and today we said '**** it' and our allies spammed smalls on the remaining open moons, blocking out RKZ from further attempts to even up the odds. At present there are 26 GS friendly large towers, 19 RKZ large towers, and 11 small friendly moon-blockers, and 3 allied larges.

One of the interesting aspects of H74 is that it has exposed RKZ's inability to take down a cynojammer. During the weekend offensive, it has been Stain Empire taking down jammers, not RKZ.

49:

Before Tenerifis turned ugly, we didn't care at the strategic level if this system was jammed. About two days after we and our allies agreed that concentrating on RKZ R64s and Period Basis was more important, the Tenerifis front soured and now we see 49 as a problem.
Around May 2nd or 3rd, this system will go to RKZ Sov3. Whether we are able to get into 49- and hellpurge it depends almost entirely upon the willigness of our capital pilots to show up in numbers and shoot towers in an intensive hellpurge.

In the last war update I congratulated our capitals for their turnout; they seem to have taken this to mean that things are safe and that they can ride bikes. On Sunday we had nine capitals in a us tz fleet. Nine.

Show up and shoot the towers or it gets jammed, and soon. Simple.

3BK:

We don't really care. Lowest priority. It was lost weeks ago and it has no strategic value besides draining RKZ's fuel coffers.

TENERIFIS FRONT:

This is a cluster****. Right now it isn't going our way, because of the TCF titan loss and Atlas blobbing XIX in the us timezone. It could go on for weeks or it could utterly collapse inside of a day - thus the urgency in Querious. Right now the fighting is centered around 46DP.

NEAR-TERM STRATEGIC GOALS:

*Wake up our capitals, force them to log on, shoot them up with modafinil.
*Begin nightly Delve-style capital hellpurges of 49 and H74.
*Take the five remaining R64s from RKZ; keep them in rf until nuked.
*Keep Delve secure while Sov4 happens.

WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP:

1. Show up on ops. Capswarm, we need you now more than ever.
2. Stay on Jabber for impromptu op announcements.
3. Subcaps: fly Fleet BS and Interdictors on ops.
4. If you can't fly these ships yet, train for them.

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.04.28 01:21:00 - [342]
 

Originally by: daily update for 4/27

4/27/09 UPDATE

The last update was Sunday morning at 8am EST; I wandered off to go to my sailing lesson, and came back to find that everything had gone to hell while simultaneously being on fire and covered in ants. Capswarm jabber was full of moaning, whining, and the tearing out of hair. It seems that our enemies actually did something, and we're so unused to this that we decided to put on diapers and BAWWWWWWWWW our way into uselessness.

What actually happened: Stain Empire showed up and accomplished feats which most 0.0 alliances can manage, but RKZ hasn't been able to pull off for weeks. Stain took down the jammer in ZXJ and reinforced the bridge towers there with a BS fleet, then did the same in H74. We short-timed those towers to come out in US time. We also short-timed the towers with were hit in H74. All were repped without incident. RKZ dropped five more towers in H74.

In the US timezone, it seems that Capswarm self-flaggelation reached a fever-pitch, because only nine capitals showed up in US time. To those of you who were not gay babbys and repped our towers, thank you. Subcapital goons blew off steam in ******* gangs.

Meanwhile, our allies accomplished **** while we were busy putting on eyeliner, donning a keffiyah, slipping into women's jeans and running around on single-gear bikes. RAWR sieged 1-SMEB and hit everything there into reinforced. One of the towers was kited and we got a nice us tz timer out of it. Pandemic Legion blew up the EXE Tukhanas R64, denying that alliance its only source of R64 income.

So that was Sunday and it was a ****ing embarassment. Time was we'd have jammer pingpong and spam wars without people running for the hills and being shocked that war has an ebb and flow. I know that RKZ are an incompetent shadow of their former selves who can't down a jammer, but for ****'s sake stop being surprised that other alliances such as Stain can pull it off.

~~~by contrast~~~, Monday has been full of delicious ****.

Shortly after downtime, Imperian noticed DRISE, a corp in EXE, yanking down their tower mods in preparation for evacuation.

Without Stain Empire to take jammers down for them and wipe their asses after going poopoo, babby RKZ couldn't manage to down the H74 jammer - they sort of flirted with it, gave up, ran away, and opted for their daily spam via a jump freighter through a realspace gate handing out towers to haulers. This caused the coalition to get all kinds of and we engaged their fleet and reamed them. The fight was at around 20:00, and by 21:00 the allied capital fleet was sieging H74. Meanwhile, we spammed the remaining moons in the system with GS towers and allied placeholders; 15 new friendly towers went up today.

In 'ha ha you suck' news, x10z2 lost his Crow to a Vigil. In 'oh god my fingers hurt' news, I think I've mashed out about 3500 spaceship words today, between my column and this thread. Jesus christ.

Gorfob
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.04.28 03:03:00 - [343]
 

love mittens.

Graalum
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.04.28 05:06:00 - [344]
 

Edited by: Graalum on 28/04/2009 05:06:57
remember that surprise mittens? guess what, xix sucks, too bad you didn't know that beforehand.

not to mention that you forgot about your epic 'surprise' going off and riding bikes with byrn instead and doing nothing but failing miserably. I hope that weekend diversion by tcf/xix was worth the 100+ billion it cost them.

Stahlregen
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.04.28 05:16:00 - [345]
 

Originally by: Graalum
Edited by: Graalum on 28/04/2009 05:06:57
remember that surprise mittens? guess what, xix sucks, too bad you didn't know that beforehand.

not to mention that you forgot about your epic 'surprise' going off and riding bikes with byrn instead and doing nothing but failing miserably. I hope that weekend diversion by tcf/xix was worth the 100+ billion it cost them.


I see all this text, but all i'm reading is "derp derp derp"

Graalum
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.04.28 06:14:00 - [346]
 

Edited by: Graalum on 28/04/2009 06:14:43
Originally by: Stahlregen
Originally by: Graalum
Edited by: Graalum on 28/04/2009 05:06:57
remember that surprise mittens? guess what, xix sucks, too bad you didn't know that beforehand.

not to mention that you forgot about your epic 'surprise' going off and riding bikes with byrn instead and doing nothing but failing miserably. I hope that weekend diversion by tcf/xix was worth the 100+ billion it cost them.


I see all this text, but all i'm reading is "derp derp derp"


all 4 sentences of it?

edit: tl;dr?

Graalum
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.04.28 06:16:00 - [347]
 

Originally by: CARY
You mean ATLESS


~BaTtLeStArS~

Gallente Picante
Gallente
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.04.28 06:36:00 - [348]
 

Originally by: Graalum
Originally by: CARY
You mean ATLESS


~BaTtLeStArS~


That'd be a good rebuttal except you are Atlas.

Twoside
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.04.28 08:08:00 - [349]
 

Originally by: Graalum
ima caod superstar


Aye, you're on top spot, together with bitter, aneu, jade and windypoops! Mad props *tips hat*

RavenL0RD
Gallente
Rubbish and Garbage Removal
Legiunea ROmana
Posted - 2009.04.28 11:27:00 - [350]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
sorry caod i was off yachting and i forgot to post over the weekend hope this helps!

Originally by: 4/26 mittens on a boat

4/26/09 UPDATE

Yesterday, RKZ had their big 13:00 formup. They got 70 capitals together, jumped them into 5V, then dithered around and jumped them out for fear of us destroying their capfleet a second time. Then they dithered around. There was a lot of time spent with our scouts just watching their fleet do nothing. At last, they spammed 5 towers in our H74 station system in Querious, but they didn't take the jammer down. It has been a few days now since RKZ has actually reinforced a POS - the P4 R64 - and that was with -A- help. The last time RKZ solo-reinforced a tower successfully? It's happened, but it's been a while. I'd have to look it up.

One could interpret the H74 action and their dithering as part of a grand plan of delay to keep us occupied while they get Sov3 in 49-, which is approaching soon. While they delay, our allies had a welp day in Tenerifis, with TCF losing a Titan to a classic -A-/ROL 'oops you jumped solo to a tower' ambush. The most positive spin you could put on RKZ's efforts is that they are distracting us, hoping for A/ROL to come back once 49 hits sov3 and the second front is gone. Thankfully, we have intel assets to tell us that the indecision was genuine, though the de facto impact may be the same as the 'grand plan' concern.

For our part, we sieged all nine of the hostile towers in H74 (4 were there previously and never destroyed), captured the JZL R64 from RKZ for KIA (RKZ now only owns 5 R64s, all are in RF), and sieged M0O. PL ninja-sieged the Tukhanas EXE R64 and it comes out in late pacific time, which has consistently resulted in dead hostile moon miners.

Today eurotime will mainly focus around RKZ repping. They have a ****load of towers to rep in H74 as well as some of their remaining R64s. With the situation being ugly in Tenerifis we must refocus our attentions on 49. Where previously it was a better idea to let the second front buy us time to remove the RKZ R64 network, now we're presented with a strategic choice of H74 or 49. 49 is the obvious choice.



I have a question... you ask when was the last time RKZ solo-reinforced a tower... my question is: when was the last time Goons attacked/defended a pos by themselves? This game is all about working together... so if you can call for help GoonSwarm's pets (Pandemic Legion, Razor, Kia, etc), i see no point why RKZ can't call in their friends - Stain, Coven, SCA, -A-, and so on.
The difference between one of the sides (Goons one) and the other one is that only one of them has PETS... and that's GoonSwarm.

Captian Duffy
Gallente
Darke Aurora
Posted - 2009.04.28 11:32:00 - [351]
 

Edited by: Captian Duffy on 28/04/2009 11:32:56
in other news: Gypsy Alliance badly wants to befriend with Kenneth and Barbie Embarassed

Richyp
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.04.28 11:39:00 - [352]
 

Originally by: Captian Duffy
Edited by: Captian Duffy on 28/04/2009 11:32:56
in other news: Gypsy Alliance badly wants to befriend with Kenneth and Barbie Embarassed


I doubt that would be a problem kenny seems to have lots of random new friends. With the number of random alliances turning up in their fleets it's only a matter of time before they're joined by the Caldari Navy.

Zyxphoni
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.04.28 11:55:00 - [353]
 

Guys it is perfectly OK to have practically 0 income as an alliance for weeks on end so long as you are challenging some moons in an irrelevant station system. Just wanted to make that clear so that you imbeciles understand that simple fact.

Doddy
Gallente
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2009.04.28 12:25:00 - [354]
 

Originally by: Zyxphoni
Guys it is perfectly OK to have practically 0 income as an alliance for weeks on end so long as you are challenging some moons in an irrelevant station system. Just wanted to make that clear so that you imbeciles understand that simple fact.


You should probably have a look at what you have posted and then look at your corp ticker cos to be honest that was pure pubbie.

Faekurias
Caldari
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2009.04.28 12:35:00 - [355]
 

Originally by: Captian Duffy
Edited by: Captian Duffy on 28/04/2009 11:32:56
in other news: Gypsy Alliance badly wants to befriend with Kenneth and Barbie Embarassed

Racism? In my CAOD ? Well I never !

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.04.28 12:40:00 - [356]
 

Originally by: RavenL0RD

I have a question... you ask when was the last time RKZ solo-reinforced a tower... my question is: when was the last time Goons attacked/defended a pos by themselves? This game is all about working together... so if you can call for help GoonSwarm's pets (Pandemic Legion, Razor, Kia, etc), i see no point why RKZ can't call in their friends - Stain, Coven, SCA, -A-, and so on.
The difference between one of the sides (Goons one) and the other one is that only one of them has PETS... and that's GoonSwarm.


yase i shall respond seriously to a pubbie troll post this is a v. good idea~

gs operates almost entirely solo in our timezone because of our allies we're the only us-tz based group

there is nothing wrong with allies and diplomacy but it is nonetheless surprising to see rkz lacking the ability to solo-down a jammer

last time gs took down a jammer ourselves it was a week and a half ago or so in gr- or e2, i forget; it's in the updates though

also fyi you have a zero in your name instead of a 'o' and your alliance has a miscapitalization - hope this helps!

TroNaaR
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2009.04.28 12:42:00 - [357]
 

Originally by: Faekurias
in other news: Gypsy Alliance badly wants to befriend with Kenneth and Barbie Embarassed

Racism? In my CAOD ? Well I never !


Gypsies kick ass! (You sweet basterds know who I'm talkin' bout)
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
**** YEAH!

Captian Duffy
Gallente
Darke Aurora
Posted - 2009.04.28 12:49:00 - [358]
 

Originally by: Faekurias
Originally by: Captian Duffy
Edited by: Captian Duffy on 28/04/2009 11:32:56
in other news: Gypsy Alliance badly wants to befriend with Kenneth and Barbie Embarassed

Racism? In my CAOD ? Well I never !


try harder Cool

Quote:
Gypsies are defined as "persons of nomadic habit of life, whatever their race or origin, but does not include members of an organised group of travelling showmen, or persons engaged in travelling circuses, travelling together as such."

Faekurias
Caldari
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2009.04.28 12:59:00 - [359]
 

Touché Cool

Nlewis
Caldari
Nomad LLP
Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
Posted - 2009.04.28 13:15:00 - [360]
 

5/5 5:55 goons die ShockedShockedTwisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted EvilLaughingLaughing


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