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Carin K
Minmatar
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.04.11 12:37:00 - [31]
 

Page 2 snypa attempt

+1 mazzilliu vote

SigmaPi
Valkyr Industries
Posted - 2009.04.11 14:19:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Syrinthal
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 10/04/2009 18:04:41
Confirming my girl-vote is in jeopardy, quick find me babies to kiss! Oh and you cant punctuate for srs.biz game forums - evidence that you are unfit for this task!


Making posts like that doesn't really get you places or make you look like a CSM rep - Fresh minds and new ideas are a cornerstone of the CSM, should you not agree with this you would be missing part of the objective behind the CSM itself and should perhaps reevaluate your reason to be there?

Calling out someone about a petty issue, like punctuation in attempt to mock seems quite weak, considering your horrid spoken English that makes my ears bleed and brain convulse upon hearing it.
(Just sayin' glass houses etc etc)

My overlord, my vote - Mazz `09


I think this deserves a :boosh:

Furthermore, +1

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.04.11 14:39:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: mazzilliu on 11/04/2009 18:34:42
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
WHY ARENT YOU EDUCATING YOURSELF ABOUT SERIOUS SPACE STUFF


i cant pronounce your name how can you possibly be qualified for CSM

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
MAZZ IN '09





edit: i updated the OP with additional notes about macro haulers and removing term limits for CSM

Hubris
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.04.11 19:14:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 10/04/2009 18:04:41

Confirming I'll vote for someone that doesn't have a clue about the importance of continuity.

Have you followed what happened after the handover from CSM1 to CSM2? What have you learned from that? Yeey let's all be clueless and totally waste the first two months of your term reading up what the hell has happened and how the whole process works.

Originally by: mazzilliu
i am pretty sure recalling past CSM actions from memory isnt a function of the CSM


Neither is using proper capitalising and punctuation, but it sure is quite handy if you want to be taken seriously.


So if the program lasts long enough you want them all to turn into CSM bureaucrat historians and nothing more?

Logic defeats you. BBBBOOOOOSSSSSSSHHHHHHHH!

And There for............


LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.04.11 20:10:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Hubris


So if the program lasts long enough you want them all to turn into CSM bureaucrat historians and nothing more?

Logic defeats you. BBBBOOOOOSSSSSSSHHHHHHHH!

And There for............



Logic defeats you too, because your logic sux.

The CSM4 doesn't have to know exactly what CSM1 did, because it's irelevant to their job, most likely.

However with the CSM3, CSM1 is still relevant, because they raised issues which are relevant to what CSM3 will be doing.

For instance, the candidate in this thread wants to talk about POS. However we already discussed that on the CSM and there's a solution coming up, as a result of that.

Thus, it's CRUCIAL that candidates knows what has been going on for the last years time. It's EXTREMELY obvious who has done their homework and who hasn't. Don't be one of those guys/girls who haven't done their homework.

Sebea
Sniggerdly
Posted - 2009.04.11 21:05:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Hubris


So if the program lasts long enough you want them all to turn into CSM bureaucrat historians and nothing more?

Logic defeats you. BBBBOOOOOSSSSSSSHHHHHHHH!

And There for............



Logic defeats you too, because your logic sux.

The CSM4 doesn't have to know exactly what CSM1 did, because it's irelevant to their job, most likely.

However with the CSM3, CSM1 is still relevant, because they raised issues which are relevant to what CSM3 will be doing.

For instance, the candidate in this thread wants to talk about POS. However we already discussed that on the CSM and there's a solution coming up, as a result of that.

Thus, it's CRUCIAL that candidates knows what has been going on for the last years time. It's EXTREMELY obvious who has done their homework and who hasn't. Don't be one of those guys/girls who haven't done their homework.


In my humble opinion, it the onus of passing knowledge should be on the out going CSM, part of the job upon exiting if you will.

To many bureaucratic monstrosities are made from people who concentrate only on what the government before them did.

I would even venture to say that whatever CSM1 talked about matters little at all, as its been a year and POS warfare is still the same old grind that it was when you took office, and NOTHING changed after the fact.

If every CSM were to address POS warfare, maybe CCP would finally get the picture that it literally is worse than masturbating with a cheese grater.

Princess Anime
Posted - 2009.04.11 23:52:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Thus, it's CRUCIAL that candidates knows what has been going on for the last years time. It's EXTREMELY obvious who has done their homework and who hasn't. Don't be one of those guys/girls who haven't done their homework.


Irrelevant. In other words what you're saying is that a "valid" CSM candidate should necessarily be aligned to one of the former delegates, which in the end, will just create "CSM parties" (something already happening with the carebear-aligned block), creating a political oligarchy instead of getting new voices and opinions heard.

The so-called problem mentioned by you can be solved by just reading the current documentation and logs left by the CSM, something I'm sure mazz will have plenty of time to do in case she's elected. Or do you expect her or any other new candidate to spend hours reading inane irc logs just to please a EVE-O forum celebrity?

Gal'drea
Posted - 2009.04.12 01:22:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Intelligent Comments

Why is it so hard for you people to understand this?

It is incredibly relevent to follow a previous CSM's work, because they have extremely limited facetime with CCP.

Running on a platform to do something which was already brought forward to CCP, and is in the pipeline, not only demonstrates a CSM candidate who is wasting CCP's time but also shows the unintelligence of those who voted that representative in.

Either do *some* homework, or run solely on the vote for me, I'm female! platform. From the looks of this thread, you have a pretty good chance either way.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.04.12 06:40:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Princess Anime
Or do you expect her or any other new candidate to spend hours reading inane irc logs just to please a EVE-O forum celebrity?

It's painfully obvious that you haven't read a single bit either.

First of all, we don't use IRC.
Second, the meetings which matter, there's no logs for, afaik.

There's 5 PDF files which people should read. That's not including the original CSM paper, which describes how the CSM works.

If you haven't even followed what the CSM has been doing, even if they were cross-linked in general discussion for an extended period of time, then you are wasting people's time.

And if you are running on a platform which is totally obsolete already, then it's evident that you haven't done your homework either.

Syrinthal
Posted - 2009.04.12 11:04:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Syrinthal on 12/04/2009 11:05:29
Edit : This post is mostly directed at LaVista.

Fresh minds, fresh thoughts.
At this stage of the race, its more about what a candidate can bring to the table and less of how technically qualified a person is.

If you want to parallel your thought and standpoint to 'the real world' you are saying that academics should be the people making choices and that industry should follow their lead. The abstraction of towards knowledge vs practicality is extremely important in this case. Just because you have spent >9000 hours reading forums, documents and talking to previous members does not make you any better of a candidate than someone like Mazz, it almost certainly makes you worse off - as you have a lot more preconceived ideas, thoughts on others and an 'elitist' complex (like it or not, thats exactly how you come off).

Expecting people commenting on threads to have also read procedural documents before commenting in a thread - Why should you expect people to (potentially) waste 10-30 minutes of their life to make a comment? This is exactly what CSM are not meant to be about. I consider my self a 'good' voter, I however have never seen one of these linked threads you are speaking about... why? because in reality a small portion of the player base cares to continually read the forums, I am in this general population and you are doing a bad job of identifying with us.

"For players, by players", If I can rephrase the Razer/Interplay motto's - Something the CSM and a lot of candidates are failing to take to heart. Players need to identify with you. To do this requires good communication(see : 'tl;dr', the concept that you are missing).

You talk of PDF's and threads - but how many players are you communicating with? The CSM have completely failed to engage players for the most part - we know very little of the developments within or what you are actually doing when not in a meeting. How would you address this? Though I know you will have already disagreed mentally, LaVista - you might ask why? its because I have read your posts and realized you are quite arrogant and inflexible... note how reading things has coloured my picture of you.

In short - don't look like a jackass elitist because you spend a lot of time reading forums and think it somehow makes you entitled to a place on the CSM.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.04.12 11:19:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: LaVista Vista on 12/04/2009 11:20:38

Quote:
Fresh minds, fresh thoughts.
At this stage of the race, its more about what a candidate can bring to the table and less of how technically qualified a person is.

I'd tend to agree. But when the CSM thus far has pushed hard for a new sov/pos system, and then a person who has NO idea about this progress so far, comes and wants to the exact same, then it's a damn waste. There needs to be continuity.


Quote:
You talk of PDF's and threads - but how many players are you communicating with? The CSM have completely failed to engage players for the most part - we know very little of the developments within or what you are actually doing when not in a meeting.

That's because what we do eventually reaches a meeting. Everything that is done is brought up to a meeting and then passed onto CCP.

Granted there's lots of player-communication. However the CSM has historically not been intrusive in that regards. There's a channel where people hang out and talk to us, for instance.

We can't engage players who don't want to be engaged. If we did, we would be accused of trying to relevant, when we supposedly aren't.

Quote:
How would you address this? Though I know you will have already disagreed mentally, LaVista - you might ask why? its because I have read your posts and realized you are quite arrogant and inflexible... note how reading things has coloured my picture of you.

How? We need to spread the word of the CSM. I talk to people really regularly, who never heard of the CSM, yet are really interested. We are working with the wiki team to make things more transparent so that things are easier to find. We had a sticky with the latest CCP-CSM minutes, where we had a full A4 page worth of the future of the sov system, in the general discussion forum, for instance.

Quote:
In short - don't look like a jackass elitist because you spend a lot of time reading forums and think it somehow makes you entitled to a place on the CSM.

I'm not entitled to a place on the CSM, because I have been on the CSM for a year now.

But I think that in order for you to be entitled to a place on the CSM, you should have read the minutes from the "major" meetings. That's REALLY no big deal. It's a small PDF you need to read every 2 months. I'm sorry if you think that's unreasonable to expect. But the CSM isn't a right, it's a privilege.

We have built up so much trust with CCP now, that if a whole new council take over and screw up because they didn't do their homework, then there's people who has spend a year on the CSM, who then suddenly have had all that time wasted because of these people.

I can obviously see why you find that extremely elitist. And it is, to a degree. Such is politics. Eventually there's going to be a lot of people who's put their trust in you. If you don't even want to put in a small amount of time in advance of you getting elected, then you aren't fit for the job. Chances are that you are going to spend at very least 2 hours each sunday on sitting in a meeting. That's not even mentioning the people who's going to be convoing you all the time, as a result of you being on the CSM.

The CSM isn't a free holiday. It's hard work.

Politicians in real life has to know history too. Exact same thing goes in EVE. If you don't know the history of things, then you aren't fit for the job.

Vladic Ka
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.04.12 11:55:00 - [42]
 

So what you took 3 posts to say trying to make mazzilliu look foolish and be an arrogant **** was do your homework? Could have been that easy eh? I know maz and she WILL do her homework and is the kind of person that I would like to see on the CSM.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.04.12 12:04:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Vladic Ka
So what you took 3 posts to say trying to make mazzilliu look foolish and be an arrogant **** was do your homework? Could have been that easy eh? I know maz and she WILL do her homework and is the kind of person that I would like to see on the CSM.

I'm not at all. If that was my aim, I'd have done it right off the bat.

I really hoped that for once she would be a candidate who would have done a bit of homework. I tried to at least make her read up on what I thought was IMPORTANT for her to know of. But that didn't work.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.04.12 13:22:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 12/04/2009 13:25:19
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 10/04/2009 18:04:41

Confirming I'll vote for someone that doesn't have a clue about the importance of continuity.

Have you followed what happened after the handover from CSM1 to CSM2? What have you learned from that? Yeey let's all be clueless and totally waste the first two months of your term reading up what the hell has happened and how the whole process works.

Originally by: mazzilliu
i am pretty sure recalling past CSM actions from memory isnt a function of the CSM


Neither is using proper capitalising and punctuation, but it sure is quite handy if you want to be taken seriously.


There is such a thing as being too serious, Ankh. Heck, I'm only running for the free trip to Iceland. My primary CSM agenda is to sleep with as many luscious Icelandic women as possible. I'll frankly be surprised if I attend the CSM meeting sober, seeing as my mighty Canadian dollars will buy a good deal of drink in the shattered Icelandic economy.

mazzilliu: if I weren't running, I'd vote for you. Perhaps we should form a political party to counter the rising carebear Voice of Reason power-bloc. I propose we call it the Call to War party :|

edit: My first choice was Chainsaw Hate**** party, but my political advisor suggested it might not fly with certain demographics.

drako markam
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.04.12 13:45:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: mazzilliu
Edited by: mazzilliu on 11/04/2009 18:34:42
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
WHY ARENT YOU EDUCATING YOURSELF ABOUT SERIOUS SPACE STUFF


i cant pronounce your name how can you possibly be qualified for CSM

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
MAZZ IN '09

edit: i updated the OP with additional notes about macro haulers and removing term limits for CSM


girls with ak's are hot +1 for mazz

Syrinthal
Posted - 2009.04.12 14:05:00 - [46]
 

(Once again, mostly for LaVista)
So besides not answering the questions - which you pretty much confirmed everything said.

Firstly, lets address a key problem you seem to be suffering from;
Q: What would you do about global warming?
A: Yes.

The above example shows how with simple rules of logic and linguistics, the answer falls outside of the domain of applicable replies and is such 'nonsense'. When conducting interviews, getting feedback or doing research this is a very important thing to look for, as it indicates that a person is either not listening to the question or unable to understand it (both of which are fair), or that they dont have an answer, have no opinion on the matter or feel you are probing for a specific answer. In the latter case, you would have to conclude that the question has not been answered at all - generally bad, however sometimes 'grey'. So take some times and actually answer the questions.

Secondly, engagement occurs betweem two parties. I like examples so here goes: I'm sure you have been in a class or series of lectures where an educator has been unable to engage the class and just conducts his/her performance at the front, hoping that you are watching and writing down notes etc. Then I'm sure you have had the opposite, where an educator has actually engaged and intergrated the classes feedback and while you may not have taken as many notes or stared at the board for as much time, you absorbed much more and actually didnt wish you were somewhere else during that time. The first is an example of what the CSM in its current state is : passive. Sure you interact with the few people that give an idea, but the majority of the class is bored and uninterested.

Expecting people to be interested is a design flaw. In a resturant your food is not made and then left in the kitchen for you to wander in and find, sure after 2 hours you might go busting into the back and find your cold food, but by a large margin the resturant would have failed, instead they have waitrons(how PC of me), the faces ands voices of the service. Different in your case as you have to be less 'in your face', but since the internet offers many different ways/mediums...

Lastly, you say that the CSM has done all this fantastic work on talking to CCP about changes to the POS grind etc, in your post... And then you go and mention how even a candidate has no clue about it. See what I'm getting at? If not, read this post again.

(Once again, sorry for having to dump this in your thread mazz, but I think these concepts and questions are quite important)

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.04.12 14:53:00 - [47]
 



Quote:
The above example shows how with simple rules of logic and linguistics, the answer falls outside of the domain of applicable replies and is such 'nonsense'. When conducting interviews, getting feedback or doing research this is a very important thing to look for, as it indicates that a person is either not listening to the question or unable to understand it (both of which are fair), or that they dont have an answer, have no opinion on the matter or feel you are probing for a specific answer. In the latter case, you would have to conclude that the question has not been answered at all - generally bad, however sometimes 'grey'. So take some times and actually answer the questions.

It's like asking how the world started, and then expecting a clear answer.

I see what you are saying. But the question thus far has been of a such nature that there is no definite answer, just ideas.

Quote:
Secondly, engagement occurs betweem two parties. I like examples so here goes: I'm sure you have been in a class or series of lectures where an educator has been unable to engage the class and just conducts his/her performance at the front, hoping that you are watching and writing down notes etc. Then I'm sure you have had the opposite, where an educator has actually engaged and intergrated the classes feedback and while you may not have taken as many notes or stared at the board for as much time, you absorbed much more and actually didnt wish you were somewhere else during that time. The first is an example of what the CSM in its current state is : passive. Sure you interact with the few people that give an idea, but the majority of the class is bored and uninterested.

I disagree with the example. In a class you are there because of the teacher. In the CSM, only a small minority cares.

How we can catch the interest of players at large is always a topic for discussion. There's a few things which I understand are being worked on, in order to address that exact problem. But once again, there's NO definitive answer as for how to fix it. The CSM can't be intrusive in it's approach, and that's the fundamental problem. The average joe has no clue about the CSM.

As for why you seem to claim that the majority of the class is bored and uninterested, well. Sure, a few vocal people have expressed to me their dislike of the CSM. But I'm yet to hear from an average joe who could explain why he was bored or uninterested. Guess why.

Quote:
Expecting people to be interested is a design flaw. In a resturant your food is not made and then left in the kitchen for you to wander in and find, sure after 2 hours you might go busting into the back and find your cold food, but by a large margin the resturant would have failed, instead they have waitrons(how PC of me), the faces ands voices of the service. Different in your case as you have to be less 'in your face', but since the internet offers many different ways/mediums...

That's exactly why we are always working towards making the CSM more visible. However it relies a lot on CCP to ACTUALLY reach out to the average person, because the CSM as an entity can't do that within reason.

I know it's vague. However, there's really not much more to it. Government entities are always working towards stopping global warming. But because of the nature of what is being done, it's not possible to go out and not seem vague. That's just how it is I'm afraid.

Quote:
Lastly, you say that the CSM has done all this fantastic work on talking to CCP about changes to the POS grind etc, in your post... And then you go and mention how even a candidate has no clue about it. See what I'm getting at? If not, read this post again.

Well, the information and the concept has been widely available for over 2 months.

If the members of the CSM had the CSM as a full-time job, then I might have agreed entirely with you. But we ARE volunteers. There's a limit to what we can do, within reason.


Syrinthal
Posted - 2009.04.12 16:00:00 - [48]
 

You are completely missing the point.

Also, I really do hope you never answer questions like that during a job interview Sad

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.04.12 18:04:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: mazzilliu on 12/04/2009 18:14:36
Originally by: LaVista Vista
HURF; BLURF

what else exactly annoys you? i was told to troll you because you are supposed to be an easy target, so i think I'll refrain from saying that this campaign has just started, that I wrote the OP in 5 minutes and haven't yet had the time to throw out all the points that have already been covered and rejected.

but i will say that you seem to be so wrapped up in bureaucracy that you forget the point of the CSM is to fix broken game mechanics, getting "the average guy" interested in it does jack **** really.

its too bad that i dont have your support though. it really meant a lot to me that I could get the "LaVista Vista" seal of approval and these posts you have been making on the internet are really hurting my self esteem. However since you have already been on the CSM for two rounds, surely you will support my desire to remove term limits?

Also since you've been there so long, what are the odds i can get CCP to buy my return ticket a couple days later so I can see the countryside?

signed,
~*~A real life girl~*~
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.04.12 18:13:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: mazzilliu on 12/04/2009 18:20:42
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu

mazzilliu: if I weren't running, I'd vote for you. Perhaps we should form a political party to counter the rising carebear Voice of Reason power-bloc. I propose we call it the Call to War party :|


you and i, we must band together and push through issues like the ability to set all entities in EVE red by default(this helps with station taxes) and the entire removal of CONCORD.

the only way to defeat the menace of carebearism is through violent revolution. I propose burning haulers on the jita undock as a symbolic protest.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.04.12 19:13:00 - [51]
 


Quote:
what else exactly annoys you? i was told to troll you because you are supposed to be an easy target, so i think I'll refrain from saying that this campaign has just started, that I wrote the OP in 5 minutes and haven't yet had the time to throw out all the points that have already been covered and rejected.


Well, my best advice would be to skim trough this and get a sense of what the CSM has been doing of importance during the last 4 months. The first few issues are the one that is about your fields of interest.

Quote:
but i will say that you seem to be so wrapped up in bureaucracy that you forget the point of the CSM is to fix broken game mechanics, getting "the average guy" interested in it does jack **** really.


I see your point, but I disagree. The CSM won't work without the support from the average EVE citizen. If the average joe isn't involved, the CSM will become a way for the elite to influence the development of the game.

Quote:
However since you have already been on the CSM for two rounds, surely you will support my desire to remove term limits?


The term limit could be damaging in the long run due to the a decreasing amount of candidates, as result of the most active candidates having spend their terms.

However, I couldn't run again for another 3 years anyways. But I support the idea of raising the term limit, or maybe make a rule that you can only do 2 consecutive terms. That should mix it up a bit.

Quote:
Also since you've been there so long, what are the odds i can get CCP to buy my return ticket a couple days later so I can see the countryside?


I guess you'd have to pay for the extra night at hotels.

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.04.12 19:33:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista

I see your point, but I disagree. The CSM won't work without the support from the average EVE citizen. If the average joe isn't involved, the CSM will become a way for the elite to influence the development of the game.


this isn't real life. who are the elite in EVE? it's the people that play the game the most. they know what ways the game is broken in the best. the "average joe" are only involved in the process up to the point the candidates are elected. beyond that, they cant really do anything except offer suggestions the candidates can accept or ignore as they please.


Originally by: LaVista Vista

I guess you'd have to pay for the extra night at hotels.

that's like 2 US dollars, right? i can cope.



LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2009.04.12 19:57:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: mazzilliu

that's like 2 US dollars, right? i can cope.




Yeah, 88 USD/Night. Laughing

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.04.12 20:09:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: mazzilliu

that's like 2 US dollars, right? i can cope.




Yeah, 88 USD/Night. Laughing

how many stars? that's pretty good if its 4 or more

Corvac
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.04.12 23:08:00 - [55]
 

A vote for mazzilliu is a vote against isk farmers! Also, with her unique diplomatic experience and flawless diplomatic style I feel she will be perfect for the CSM. MAZZILLIU 09!

Elektrea
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.04.13 02:12:00 - [56]
 

you have my, errrr, axes Embarassed

Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2009.04.13 06:36:00 - [57]
 

she's the witch from l4d !!!

Dalek Wuscfrea
Posted - 2009.04.13 09:06:00 - [58]
 

+1 I endorse the person

Tespako
Posted - 2009.04.13 11:33:00 - [59]
 

+1 mazzilliu vote

BOB ONLINE
Posted - 2009.04.13 14:51:00 - [60]
 

I am voting for Mazz.


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