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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.08 14:20:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Sky Marshal on 08/04/2009 14:21:50

Well, CCP, you actually do a good work by nerfing everything (last : Ewar) who kill fun to everyone.

But there is still one ship and thing who kill fun : Logistics & Remote.

Seriously, when you see 8/9 Guardians in the ennemy fleet, you are UNABLE to kill someone, as they remote their teammates all the time.

THIS IS NOT FUN, this is WORSE than jamming. At least when you are jammed, you know instantly that you are useless, but you can still warpout and return to be unlocked, or use ECCM.

Logistics can't be countered.

Nerf logistics. Make this game what he has to be, a game where everyone can do something, a consensual pvp game.



PS : This is a sarcastic topic, but well, EVE Online lose diversity each day, and I am sure than Logistics will be the next to be nerfed.

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
Posted - 2009.04.08 14:31:00 - [2]
 

*grins*

+1 for picking the niche which is countered by *drumroll* ECM :D

Dark Soldat
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.04.08 14:33:00 - [3]
 

No.
2/10 for the effort tho

Haakelen
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.04.08 14:35:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Sky Marshal
PS : This is a sarcastic topic, but well, EVE Online lose diversity each day, and I am sure than Logistics will be the next to be nerfed.


They'll probably do it at the same time they nerf cloaks and ruin recons (so as not to be prejudicial against the Falcon, of course), making every t2 cruiser completely worthless.

Semper Fidelus
Posted - 2009.04.08 14:41:00 - [5]
 

They eventualy do this to every pvp game.
In order to "balance" pvp you have to kill difersity.
Els some will always be better then others.

Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
A Pretty Pony Princess
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2009.04.08 15:00:00 - [6]
 

From what i hear arazu can counter logistics quite well.
Warp arazu in cloaked, get within 40km, warp scram, kill, recloak, repeat.

Eve isnt bring a big blob of people and hope to do somthing without putting really any thought into your fleet

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.04.08 15:02:00 - [7]
 

You can counter it by bringing your own, oh wai...

Decimus Sellic
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.04.08 15:07:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Decimus Sellic on 08/04/2009 15:07:50
The sad part is that some people actually feels this way about logistics, until they decide to fly them that is.

Whats funny to me is that jamming and logistics have been the way that they are for years, people start crying and CCP decides to nerf. I really dont get it, how about instead of nerfing they come up with a new ship/mod (useful mod) that counters the jamming/repping, a ship thats sole purpose would be to attack support ships would be pretty cool, maybe give bonus to lock time etc. etc. I mean you can already kill both of them pretty easily with recons anyway...


Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Posted - 2009.04.08 15:08:00 - [9]
 

I just can't think what I would bring to deal with logistics.

It used to be so easy, I would have brought nos to suck the cap and DPS to blow them up. But nos and DPS is mostly useless nowadays cause those ****in' Falcons just jam you.

Haakelen
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.04.08 15:14:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Haakelen on 08/04/2009 15:19:45
good post:

Originally by: Decimus Sellic
The sad part is that some people actually feels this way about logistics, until they decide to fly them that is.


The cap transfer logistics (Basi and Guardian) are amazingly fragile when their pals stop giving them cap. Neut, damp, ECM, etc. The ones that are usually fit with cap boosters are more difficult to use properly and are also fairly easy to mitigate.

Just like Nanos were, they are heavily susceptible to proper tactics, and are only very effective when used by highly coordinated groups. So, I'm sure they'll be nerfed soon enough, given the CCP track record of catering to drooling mongoloids.

MILK Monk
Knights of the Silver Dawn
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.04.08 15:15:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Sky Marshal
....
Seriously, when you see 8/9 Guardians in the ennemy fleet, you are UNABLE to kill someone, as they remote their teammates all the time...

great idea ... how about adding another Ledership skill... lets call it "Diverzity fleet" - for each level you can have +1 more ship of the same type in whole fleet. So on lvl 5 you can have total 6 Falcons or even logistics in fleet!!! yay!!! And ofcourse it would have to be Tier 20 skill so it will take at least year before you can have so many same ships in one fleet. I think it would absolutelly solved your problem! Wink

Brad Shiot
Posted - 2009.04.08 15:31:00 - [12]
 

To repeat. Only one change needed to logistics. Aggression gained when repping an aggressor.

This stops war cheats, farmers (who rep the rats of anyone trying to make some isk on their patch), and missions 'helpers' (who do the same thing to bust stupid people in missions).....ok 2 good reasons outta 3...

Sun Clausewitz
Posted - 2009.04.08 15:34:00 - [13]
 

I like your bait. You should open up a shop.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.04.08 15:34:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Brad Shiot
This stops war cheats, farmers (who rep the rats of anyone trying to make some isk on their patch), and missions 'helpers' (who do the same thing to bust stupid people in missions).....ok 2 good reasons outta 3...

Repping NPCs will get you Concorded as it was changed about a year ago.

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2009.04.08 15:44:00 - [15]
 

I say we nerf the nerfbat. Also nerf nerfwhiners.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2009.04.08 16:19:00 - [16]
 

More whines, bravo.

How about more jamming, more neuts instead?

PvP is more than F1-F8, erm, just F1 Laughing

AkRoYeR
Amarr
Posted - 2009.04.08 16:31:00 - [17]
 

eFart...where is your ugly face and goofy comments on this one? Laughing

Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2009.04.08 16:32:00 - [18]
 

what do you mean there is no counter? just jamm...ow right...my bad

Michelle Vega
Posted - 2009.04.08 16:41:00 - [19]
 

Idea

To the OP: you're doing it wrong. We took out six guardians repping eachother as well as cap transferring. Then we took out the rest of the fleet. All it took was one neutdomi and our own dps.

Only nerf that ccp could do to logistics is remove them completly. They have nothing left to nerf.

Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.04.08 16:56:00 - [20]
 

nerf tracking , explosion velocity and range !

enable every weapon to hit at every range with every ammo for the full 100 % damage !

Zephran Cocharan
Posted - 2009.04.09 15:42:00 - [21]
 

I love it this was great nice post.

But really all these whiners that cry about nano's and ewar etc. How many of them actually leave empire and pvp. 1 out of 10 maybe 2 out of 10. So the way I see these posts is, I am in a corp, we ****ed off some mercs, and now they go to war with us. They use EWAR. We have none cause everyone in empire wants to see stuff go boom and never bothered to pay attention to it. I am too lazy to figure out how to beat it or train something to defend it.

So know I will just whine about it so CCP makes big bad ship go away and I can go back to mission running and mining in peace.

Just a message to all of you ewar broken people there are ways to beat ewar and make it ineffective it is done everyday in 0.0 and low sec. Yes you need to prepare and trainh and fit for it, but I wilsh I could see the falcon pilots' faces as they go pop constantly.

Just as Logistics which is true will be next (see this years tournament rules) can be beat by *gasps* Ewar

Arte
The Darkness Within
Posted - 2009.04.09 16:04:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Arte on 09/04/2009 16:06:19
Originally by: Sky Marshal
Edited by: ArteCool on 08/04/2009 17:02:50
Seriously, when you see 8/9 Guardians in the ennemy fleet, we are unable to think of an effective counter, as they remote their teammates all the time.

Fixed that for youWink
Originally by: Holy Lowlander
nerf tracking , explosion velocity and range !

enable every weapon to hit at every range with every ammo for the full 100 % damage !

Pfft. You clearly didn't think that proposal through did you... if every ammo did full damage at every range, there'd only be a need for one type.Rolling Eyes
I reckon all ships should be able to destroy all other ships, but also be immune to all damage at the same time. Then everyone wi...no wait.. everyone los... no wait, it's a TIE. perfect balance.
Laughing

Kralin Ignatov
Gallente
Macabre Votum
Posted - 2009.04.09 16:29:00 - [23]
 

yeah, logistics are annoying. but dont nerf em, as nerfs are annoying too. lets buff their counter.

Lets Buff E-war!!! Twisted Evil

Frances Ducoir
Gallente
Koshaku
Dark Syndicate.
Posted - 2009.04.09 16:41:00 - [24]
 

speaking about logistics:

gallente & matar logistics: utter crap (due to tracking links being too much stacking nerfed and not efficient enough)

amarr & caldari logistics: more repair... more tank

this used to be balanced due to the fact, that gallente & matar logistics HAD a higher repair range before
CCP "Fixed" logistics. now all 4 logistics got the same range, but gallente & matar got nothing in advance for their
drawbacks.

Scott Ryder
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.04.09 16:48:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Sky Marshal
Edited by: Sky Marshal on 08/04/2009 14:21:50

Well, CCP, you actually do a good work by nerfing everything (last : Ewar) who kill fun to everyone.

But there is still one ship and thing who kill fun : Logistics & Remote.

Seriously, when you see 8/9 Guardians in the ennemy fleet, you are UNABLE to kill someone, as they remote their teammates all the time.

THIS IS NOT FUN, this is WORSE than jamming. At least when you are jammed, you know instantly that you are useless, but you can still warpout and return to be unlocked, or use ECCM.

Logistics can't be countered.

Nerf logistics. Make this game what he has to be, a game where everyone can do something, a consensual pvp game.



PS : This is a sarcastic topic, but well, EVE Online lose diversity each day, and I am sure than Logistics will be the next to be nerfed.



The counter to remote repping is simple:
More dps.
Its there, now go fetch it.

Im sorry for feeding the troll btw

El Kaposo
Amarr
Simtech Industrial Inc.
Posted - 2009.04.09 16:50:00 - [26]
 

one can but wonder what ever happened to the beautiful rock-paper-scissors that eve used to be....

a long long time ago.

Sir Elliot
Posted - 2009.04.09 18:03:00 - [27]
 

Nerfing nano created the falcon problem
Nerfing falcons creates an RR problem
Nerfing RR will create another problem.

CCP needs to learn about the law of unintended consequences,and the Devs need to recognize that in some aspects of the game, the players really know more about it then they do.

But then again, when you fly with BoB and cheat for them, how can you expect to learn what playing the game is actually like?

Laodamia
Posted - 2009.04.09 18:51:00 - [28]
 

Fermez la bouche

FactionMoJo
Amarr
Posted - 2009.04.10 22:13:00 - [29]
 

Nerf FleetBS...everytime u see some of them in the Enemy FleetLaughing they shoot us Laughing

THIS IS NOT FUN, this is WORSE than jamming.


haha Rolling Eyes



Pradege D'Hallur
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.04.10 22:14:00 - [30]
 

Stop crying and play the game, due to little whinny b#tches like you everything gets nerfed in the first place. Dont like it play something else.



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