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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.04.06 17:18:00 - [91]
 

4 hours = you fail it.

you should be able to do most in 30 min.

Shereza
Posted - 2009.04.06 17:27:00 - [92]
 

Stealth bombers will be interesting ships when the Singularity changes hit Tranquility...

I dropped a blood raider battleship in roughly 2-3 minutes with a nemesis and T1 ammo out of T2 launchers with all too many skills at L4. Maybe one BCU and no painters.

Gotta say, running L4s with a drake, a few stealth bombers, and perhaps an ishkur or two will be totally awesome in the future...

Tyrantus
Posted - 2009.04.06 17:32:00 - [93]
 

Wow.. Op is Trollerific! Surprised

Highwind Cid
Posted - 2009.04.06 17:35:00 - [94]
 

Funny thing is, very recently, just for kicks, I've been recording the times and isk/hour ratio of the missions I get from my agent(level 4). So far there are only two missions I've come across that round to an hour. Most other ones average between 10 minutes and 30 minutes. Funny thing is, some of those 10 minute missions make out a good isk/hour ratio.

Also, if you are limited in time, decline and hope for a shorter mission. The selection is nice, and level 4 missions in general are not too long.

Tyrantus
Posted - 2009.04.06 17:37:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Highwind Cid
and level 4 missions in general are not too long.
They are when you run them in a 144dps Drake like the op is doing. Laughing

Vancali
Minmatar
Black Moon Privateers
Posted - 2009.04.06 17:49:00 - [96]
 

lol Meshweaver really made a donkey of himself here. Everyone is ripping him a new one, and for good reason.

1. It doesn't take 10 minutes for even a half-fitted raven or domi to take down a BS.

2. Yes, you won't take one down in 70-80 seconds yet, but this game requires time.

3. Go back to lv 3s, try again later.

Razz

Another Forum'Alt
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.04.06 17:53:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: Another Forum''Alt on 06/04/2009 17:52:40
Drakes are for l3s. Come back to l4 when you have a bs or ishtar.

Tellenta
Gallente
versic LLC
Posted - 2009.04.06 18:07:00 - [98]
 

I agree it takes to long for my ogres to get from BS to BS while I surf the forums.

Hanneshannes
Posted - 2009.04.06 18:29:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Meshweaver
This shows that it is not possible to be competative with a low-sp char.


Yes, that's just the way it is actually. You can go and buy a high sp char tho :)

Serpents smile
Posted - 2009.04.06 18:46:00 - [100]
 

Skimmed the tread.

If it takes the OP 4 hours to do a level 4 you (OP) obviously miss certain skills.
If it takes the OP 4 hours, just imagine how fast he'd run through it with a friend or corp member.
If the OP doesn't understand the MMO part of EVE online's game description, he might want to reconsider going back to Quake or whatever FPS.

I'm not saying one cannot solo level 4's. Been doing that for 6 month's. Not that its got boring at some point.

Bottom line is that EVE is a game for people to join up and do things together.
Stop complaining if you fail at doing (stupid) level 4's on your own. Really, you are so bad you have this 'OMG I must/ can do level 4's, WTF why do they last 4-5 hours, and you never ever have a thought it might be you doing things wrong, but instead demand CCP to make level 4's easier.Rolling Eyes

In short if you cannot do the current level 4's under an hour, maybe an hour and a half, I politely suggest you go back to level 3 mission, until you are ready to deal with them.

Ps: I hope you'll never ever get into PvP, your whines would be epic.


Vancali
Minmatar
Black Moon Privateers
Posted - 2009.04.06 18:57:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Vancali on 06/04/2009 18:57:39
Originally by: Serpents smile


Ps: I hope you'll never ever get into PvP, your whines would be epic.




lol Razz very true

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2009.04.06 19:21:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Meshweaver
What's the point of making people spend 4 hours on mind numbing, boring, boring meaningless tasks?

Uh, dunno, how about the people that only take 40 minutes for a LONG L4 mission ?



aw ****, that last one took 43 mins, Oh wait, I did the bonus room ugh

Shereza
Posted - 2009.04.07 02:33:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Another Forum'Alt
Edited by: Another Forum''Alt on 06/04/2009 17:52:40
Drakes are for l3s. Come back to l4 when you have a bs or ishtar.


... You must not know how to fly a drake.

All things considered, the drake is probably tied with the myrmidon for solid and respectable solo L4 performance.

The harbinger and the hurricane can both do respectably well (in fact their short-range setups with drones and damage mods are virtually identical in tems of DPS and theoretically survivable) but aren't as solid as the other two.

I am not trying to say, nor will I ever say, that they are the best or even optimal ships for running L4s but with the right skills and setups they can be quite effective and will do significantly better than low-skilled pilots in battleships with low-quality setups.

MC Purge
Posted - 2009.04.07 05:05:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Hanneshannes
Originally by: Meshweaver
This shows that it is not possible to be competative with a low-sp char.


Yes, that's just the way it is actually. You can go and buy a high sp char tho :)


No he can't. It'd take too long to make enough ISK to buy one.Laughing

Etien Aldragoran
Legitimate Corporation
Posted - 2009.04.07 05:13:00 - [105]
 

You're already earning 30 mil an hour consistently in absolute safety. Why would you want more?

F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.04.07 07:58:00 - [106]
 

I really hope Hixxy isn't a troll. She could provide an endless amount of entertainment if she keeps this up.

Orion GUardian
Caldari
Posted - 2009.04.07 08:09:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Meshweaver


on eft it comes out at 144.


Found your problem....you willhave problems killing some BSes tanks even thus leaving you unable to kill them.
Here is what you do: L3 missions are far easier with that kind of DPS...then get better skills, fit 7 HMLs and a BCU. T2 ould be good

Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari
Sarum Industries
Posted - 2009.04.07 08:19:00 - [108]
 

First off, lvl 4 missions are stupidly too easy per se.
All lvl 4 missions need to take place in low sec so that pirates have a chance to kill mission runners.

Second, if it takes you too long to complete lvl 4 missions, it should indicate that you're better of with lvl 3 missions until your skills improved or you teamed up with a corpmate who has bigger guns. Simple put. You cannot claim "a one week old char needs to be able to complete a lvl 4 mission in half an hour.." WHY??

I need about 15 seconds to kill a npc battleship, but it took me a damn long time to skill until I was able to reach that.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2009.04.07 09:39:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Meshweaver
This shows that it is not possible to be competative with a low-sp char.
Thread should have ended in a firestorm here.


Originally by: Keorythe
Wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave of ISK, each MOBILE ISK DISPENSER taking about 1 MIN to ACCUMULATE. What's the point of making people spend 15 MIN on MONEY ACCUMALATING AND WEALTH GENERATING tasks?
Laughing

Benedic
Posted - 2009.04.07 09:41:00 - [110]
 

If farmers that speak a certain far-eastern language but you cannot name group them based on that language because it is apparently racist can figure it out, I'm sure you can too.

Soon you could be creating billions of ISK a day out of thin air too!

Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.04.07 09:49:00 - [111]
 

There should be a big thread full of good fittings for level fours - for individual ships even. With lists of skills required to run things solo.

Turiel Demon
Minmatar
Celtic industries
Posted - 2009.04.07 10:14:00 - [112]
 

This thread has recently been missing a certain Hixxish component. It now lacks a significant portion of its former entertainment value Sad

Dommie Jax
Caldari
Phoenixfire Industries
Socius Inter Nos
Posted - 2009.04.07 10:42:00 - [113]
 

I can run Level 4 in a Drake, ok I screwed up and got popped one time, but then i learnt, sought advice from other plaers and reset my skill learning to develop my skills in a different direction.

Yeah I can still do Lvl 4, but now i do them in a team

Hyperion
3x Drakes
1x Nighthawk

BS jumps in, gets aggro, everyone else jumps in, snipes at destroys everything in short order, obtain objective, head back to station, change to Salvager

Hurricane Salvager, Catalyst Salvager, Itty 5 for Hauling

then hand in, rinse and repeat

Think the other night me and my fleet made approx 40-50 million isk over a few hours, easy cash

I can run them solo in my Drake, slower gain but I can do it

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.04.07 10:46:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Dommie Jax
Yeah I can still do Lvl 4, but now i do them in a team

Hyperion
3x Drakes
1x Nighthawk

[…]

Think the other night me and my fleet made approx 40-50 million isk over a few hours, easy cash
…so, technically, 2-5 mil/h.

Dommie Jax
Caldari
Phoenixfire Industries
Socius Inter Nos
Posted - 2009.04.07 10:49:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Dommie Jax
Yeah I can still do Lvl 4, but now i do them in a team

Hyperion
3x Drakes
1x Nighthawk

[…]

Think the other night me and my fleet made approx 40-50 million isk over a few hours, easy cash
…so, technically, 2-5 mil/h.


nope we made that each over about 4 hours so about 10 mil/h+ (that is not including selling all the loot)

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.04.07 10:52:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Dommie Jax
nope we made that each over about 4 hours so about 10 mil/h+ (that is not including selling all the loot)
*phew* I was getting worried there!. Razz

Dommie Jax
Caldari
Phoenixfire Industries
Socius Inter Nos
Posted - 2009.04.07 11:05:00 - [117]
 

I would quit in disgust if i was making that per hour on L4 :)

Yeah I did try soloing an L4 on my drake, could tank the ships until the cows came home

750k bounties on 4 Ravens, took like 30 mins to pop each, would get its shield down, then they would jam me, by time I got lock back the shields were back, start all over again

now thats frustrating lol


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