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Meshweaver
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:26:00 - [1]
 

Wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave of battleships, each battleship taking about 10 mins to destroy. What's the point of making people spend 4 hours on mind numbing, boring, boring meaningless tasks?

Make the damn things shorter, CCP.

Gonada
The Scope
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:28:00 - [2]
 

or, for a lark, you could improve your skills?
10 mins for 1 bs......... fail

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:30:00 - [3]
 

Sure, but then they'll cut down on the rewards as well so in the end, you'll have to spend the same amount of mind-numbing, boring, repetetive mission grinding to make the same amount of cash…

Meshweaver
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:32:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Gonada
or, for a lark, you could improve your skills?
10 mins for 1 bs......... fail


Great idea. I'll magically improve my skills. Good thinking.

Another Liberthas
Caldari
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:32:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Another Liberthas on 05/04/2009 16:34:40
Originally by: Gonada
or, for a lark, you could improve your skills?
10 mins for 1 bs......... fail


This, really.
How on earth is it taking 10 minutes?

EDIT: That magical skill improvement is called "training". It takes what we in the trade call "time", and it's what you need a lot of in EVE.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:34:00 - [6]
 

You're doing it wrong. I'm not sure your skills even can be so bad it takes 10mins to kill a mission battleship. Unless you fly a frigate or something with horribly low DPS.

Ariel Demon
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:34:00 - [7]
 

tip:

ballistic controls

failing that:

stop using a drake, get a battleship.

failing that:

team up with someone who can do more than 200dps while you tank.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:36:00 - [8]
 

When a BS falls easily in 10 volies max, with decent skills. how the F*** are your guns taking one minute per volley.

Female Miner
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:37:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
When a BS falls easily in 10 volies max, with decent skills. how the F*** are your guns taking one minute per volley.


Motsu? Dodixie? do they get that bad on the weekend perhaps?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:37:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Meshweaver
What's the point of making people spend 4 hours on mind numbing, boring, boring meaningless tasks?

Uh, dunno, how about the people that only take 40 minutes for a LONG L4 mission ?

Meshweaver
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:38:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Ariel Demon
tip:

ballistic controls

failing that:

stop using a drake, get a battleship.

failing that:

team up with someone who can do more than 200dps while you tank.


How you know I fly a drake?

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:38:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Female Miner
Originally by: Blane Xero
When a BS falls easily in 10 volies max, with decent skills. how the F*** are your guns taking one minute per volley.


Motsu? Dodixie? do they get that bad on the weekend perhaps?
Ehhh. I've missioned in Jita (back when 600 people lagged it to hell) and never had response times that bad.

Clueless Alt
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:41:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Meshweaver
How you know I fly a drake?
lol. Here is your problem.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:42:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 05/04/2009 16:43:07
Originally by: Meshweaver
How you know I fly a drake?

He didn't, he just guessed.
But now we all KNOW you're either clueless OR a rather good troll.

P.S. I can push out roughly 500 (mostly kinetic) raw DPS out of my Drake at a decent range. How much can you ?
Also, I fly a Nighthawk nowadays. Even more DPS. But I still have my old Drake.

Meshweaver
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:47:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 05/04/2009 16:43:07
Originally by: Meshweaver
How you know I fly a drake?

He didn't, he just guessed.
But now we all KNOW you're either clueless OR a rather good troll.


clueless.

P.S. I can push out roughly 500 (mostly kinetic) raw DPS out of my Drake at a decent range. How much can you ?
Also, I fly a Nighthawk nowadays. Even more DPS. But I still have my old Drake.


on eft it comes out at 144.

FarosWarrior
Amarr
Pure Dutch Damage Corp
Care Factor
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:49:00 - [16]
 

get in a raven already...

Hroya
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:50:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Meshweaver
Wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave of battleships, each battleship taking about 10 mins to destroy. What's the point of making people spend 4 hours on mind numbing, boring, boring meaningless tasks?
Make the damn things shorter, CCP.


Who made you do those mind numbing, boring, boring meaningless tasks ?


Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.04.05 16:53:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Meshweaver
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 05/04/2009 16:43:07
Originally by: Meshweaver
How you know I fly a drake?

He didn't, he just guessed.
But now we all KNOW you're either clueless OR a rather good troll.


clueless.

P.S. I can push out roughly 500 (mostly kinetic) raw DPS out of my Drake at a decent range. How much can you ?
Also, I fly a Nighthawk nowadays. Even more DPS. But I still have my old Drake.


on eft it comes out at 144.
Your skills suck then. My alt in a nighthawk takes less than a minute to down most battleships. This is from Sansha, to Angels, to Gurista, to Serpentis.

Ariel Demon
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.04.05 17:08:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Ariel Demon on 05/04/2009 17:13:56
Well, the reason its taking you so long is really that you're not putting out enough damage. I reiterate: use ballistic control systems to up your damage significantly, or just use a BS, that will tank well enough while easily putting out twice the DPS you are now.

Your problem is that you aren't beating NPC tanks by enough to wear them down.

Say you're doing 140 damage to an NPC bs with a 100dps tank. now take someone doing 180DPS to the same enemy: he'll down it twice as fast; 220 dps? 3x as fast as you're going at the moment,

A decent marauder at 800 DPS will take maybe 30 seconds to down the toughest NPC BS, at that point you're just wishing there were situations that presented you with them at a faster rate than lvl4 missions to grind your way through the isk being thrown at you. Can't think of any mission that takes more than 45 mins at that point except due to long travel times (I'm looking at you WC).


P.S.: I guessed you were flying a drake because it was the only ship I could think of which would let a pilot of low skill and inventiveness survive a LVL4 at all, while fitting the rest of the criteria you presented i.e. low damage output.

H0RZA
Posted - 2009.04.05 17:09:00 - [20]
 

CCP aren't 'making you spend' 4 hours running L4s with insufficient skill points. You're choosing to do that yourself. Fly missions that best suit your current skill points.

Being able to access L4s doesn't automatically make them worthwhile. You'll make far more isk blitzing good quality L3s than you will taking 10 mins per battleship. In the mean time, train the skills you need to make a L4 work for you, just like everyone other mission runner does.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.04.05 17:12:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 05/04/2009 17:12:55
Originally by: Meshweaver
Originally by: Akita T
[...]roughly 500 (mostly kinetic) raw DPS out of my Drake at a decent range[...]

on eft it comes out at 144.

Oh... I'm sorry, did I say 500 DPS ? I was wrong.
It's 573 DPS (click me) at 70 km.
So... yeah. Your skills/fit suck.

P.S. That 840 defence rating is against typical Guristas incoming damage, switch hardeners as necessary.

Haradgrim
Systematic Mercantilism
Posted - 2009.04.05 17:12:00 - [22]
 

lrn2raven

Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.05 17:21:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Haradgrim
lrn2raven

boring

Slave 2739FKZ
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.04.05 17:29:00 - [24]
 

No, eh does not need a damn raven, Drake does just fine (and it takes out cruisers/frigates faster and cheaper). Get proper skills or don't cry.

You'r not suppoed to solo L4s with few SP, blitz L3 as someone suggested. What's wrong with some people?!

Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
Posted - 2009.04.05 17:31:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Gonada
or, for a lark, you could improve your skills?
10 mins for 1 bs......... fail


QFT.

10 Minutes per BS? What is this? Train your character and you will be better. Do not come to the forums and complain because you are inept at doing something.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.04.05 17:34:00 - [26]
 

Just run L3 missions while you raise the proper skills.

Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.05 17:34:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Gonada
or, for a lark, you could improve your skills?
10 mins for 1 bs......... fail


QFT.

10 Minutes per BS? What is this? Train your character and you will be better. Do not come to the forums and complain because you are inept at doing something.



the skill gap between new guys and jinx is too big.

Meshweaver
Posted - 2009.04.05 17:35:00 - [28]
 

This shows that it is not possible to be competative with a low-sp char.

Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.05 17:35:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Hixxy on 05/04/2009 17:43:16
Edited by: Hixxy on 05/04/2009 17:42:37
Originally by: Akita T
Just run L3 missions while you raise the proper skills.




do you ****ign realise how big the skill trainings are?, you need a reality check i think.


edit: boring yet again, ****ing boring ccp. did i mention i was getting bored with subscribing to this crap?

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.04.05 17:37:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Blane Xero on 05/04/2009 17:39:44
Originally by: Meshweaver
This shows that it is not possible to be competitive with a low-sp char.
This is nothing to do with being competitive. Everyone starts from ground floor. And after so long, everyone will have similar SP in certain areas. Skills onl;y go up to 5, and beyond that the "High SP Chars" have to spec into either something else completely or just spend time training things they might try at some point down the line.





EDIT: Also, you are not trying to compete with anyone, you are trying to bite off more than you can chew.


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