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TrollmoreX
Posted - 2009.03.31 01:41:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: EFT Warrior
Bellicose is the best cruiser in the game.

No it's not, the Augoror is teh bestest cruiser in the game.


The multispec bellicose will pwn them all.

Unworldly1
Gallente
Intergalactic Jesters
Posted - 2009.03.31 01:57:00 - [62]
 

but the gunz are capless!!!!!11111

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.03.31 02:05:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: TrollmoreX
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: EFT Warrior
Bellicose is the best cruiser in the game.

No it's not, the Augoror is teh bestest cruiser in the game.


The multispec bellicose will pwn them all.

You need to troll a bit more to live up to you name dudeLaughing.

No, the multispec Bellicose will not pwn them all, the Rupture will eat the Bellicose up alive.

Or wait..........



















Wait a little more..........




















Hold on for some few more secs..........




















Dude, chill, this doesn't take many more seconds to wait..........




















And here we go. Bellicose can just jam and run away from the Rupture if needed.

Guo Nian
Posted - 2009.03.31 02:50:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: TrollmoreX
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: EFT Warrior
Bellicose is the best cruiser in the game.

No it's not, the Augoror is teh bestest cruiser in the game.


The multispec bellicose will pwn them all.

You need to troll a bit more to live up to you name dudeLaughing.

No, the multispec Bellicose will not pwn them all, the Rupture will eat the Bellicose up alive.


Yo, your mothers so fat that when my Bellicose pawned her, even a dreadnought could track her ass.

Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
Posted - 2009.03.31 03:56:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: gold 1
What is the point of minmantar ships? ...rabble..rabble..rabble... They need twice as much skills and still do the most damage...


Fixed BECAUSE OF FALCON

No, this setup isn't good at doing anything but dps, but then it's only designed to prove a point about dps potential. Also, there are worse things to be good at than supplying DPS.

1555 dps overheated
Tech 2 fit - no pricey pricey mods
+3% CPU Implant required
Holy-Skills-Needed Batman.

Quote:

[Typhoon, DPS]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L

Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

Ogre II x5




TrollmoreX
Posted - 2009.03.31 09:48:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: TrollmoreX on 31/03/2009 09:48:46
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: TrollmoreX
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: EFT Warrior
Bellicose is the best cruiser in the game.

No it's not, the Augoror is teh bestest cruiser in the game.


The multispec bellicose will pwn them all.

You need to troll a bit more to live up to you name dudeLaughing.


Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes

Pac SubCom
True Creation
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.03.31 09:52:00 - [67]
 

Bellicose + Tempest is where it's at. Target Painters + Artillery.

ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.03.31 10:09:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: ry ry on 31/03/2009 10:09:42
i fly minmatar battleships. not because they're good or anything, but because i used to fly vagabonds and in a fit of optimism trained minmatar BS5 too. i honestly can't be ****ed to train amarr BS5 atm, so i fly the BS i'm best at.

i suspect this is one reason why so many pests get used tbh.


Marn Prestoc
Minmatar
Maelstrom Crew
Paradigm Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.31 10:43:00 - [69]
 

Best explanation of minmatar/tempest ever:

Originally by: "whydirt"
Flexibility should be utilized at the gang level, not ship level.

The A-Team was awesome because BA Baracus was badass and a good mechanic, Face could charm the ladies, Murdock could jury rig stuff like MacGuyver, and Hannibal had plans that always came together and not because they all had two utility highslots.


Basically having a good range of ships that all perform well at there job is much better than one ship that can do multiple roles, worse than others. If you train one race, you have 3 tiers to choose from, train another you have 6, hence quickly the flexable ship is forgotten when you have a choice of specialized ship. Tempest flexability was good when there was only 2 tiers of BS and no rigs, nevermind nerfs like nos/ecm.


Finally Nightmare, if Tempest is so good because your alliance uses them, why do the pilots on that KB that use them (ie. Pattern) keep posting about it needing a change?

I'm around 50m SP char and only have T2 large projectiles so would take me many many months to train for another races BS then turrets to the same level. I don't fly BS enough to want to train another race of BS + turrets, nevermind play enough (stupid pc). Hence if sniper pest isn't good enough for the FC i'd just fly another role and wait for the deserved improvements. Just because people fly stuff still doesn't mean changes arn't needed.

Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
Posted - 2009.03.31 11:25:00 - [70]
 

i dont mind the little EFT dps... it's mostly explosive after all. alas it is still slitghly inferior by itself... vs t1 armor resistances! combined with the general idea of falloff, it can get ugly real fast.

fusion s
+2 expl

phased plasma s
+1 thm

emp s
-1 expl

- shuffle other stats around accordingly.
- remove optimal modifiers, introduce falloff modifiers starting with the then most powerful ammo, fusion, at +0% .. carb.lead at +140% / tremor +140% (sniping with 108+105km... so..?)
- tracking computers with a script for falloff

AstroPhobic
Minmatar
Holding Corp
Posted - 2009.03.31 12:59:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Ris Dnalor

[Typhoon, DPS]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L

Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

Ogre II x5






Rage torps and hail, no painter even, congratulations dude, you can open EFT.

For all practical reasons, the phoon is outdamaged by the raven and megathron, and the geddon at any sort of respectable range.

Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.03.31 13:09:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Ris Dnalor

[Typhoon, DPS]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L

Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

Ogre II x5






Rage torps and hail, no painter even, congratulations dude, you can open EFT.

For all practical reasons, the phoon is outdamaged by the raven and megathron, and the geddon at any sort of respectable range.


Astro why are you always negative about mimmatar ships .... ?

there must be some good things on them .... else ccp balancing team would find it out. Or are they also flying amarr ships and want them to be the best in game and the answer to everything :S.....

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.03.31 14:16:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 31/03/2009 14:23:33
Originally by: Holy Lowlander
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Rage torps and hail, no painter even, congratulations dude, you can open EFT.

For all practical reasons, the phoon is outdamaged by the raven and megathron, and the geddon at any sort of respectable range.


Astro why are you always negative about mimmatar ships .... ?

there must be some good things on them .... else ccp balancing team would find it out. Or are they also flying amarr ships and want them to be the best in game and the answer to everything :S.....

CCP have said them self that the Tempest is awesome, so i think the balance team knows better than Astro about how the ships worksWink.
Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 31/03/2009 10:09:42
i fly minmatar battleships. not because they're good or anything, but because i used to fly vagabonds and in a fit of optimism trained minmatar BS5 too. i honestly can't be ****ed to train amarr BS5 atm, so i fly the BS i'm best at.

i suspect this is one reason why so many pests get used tbh.



Yeah they don't bother to train to something else, because they don't need to do it. And because Minmatar is already extremely fun to use.

It's all about having fun in EVE anyways.

Marn Prestoc
Minmatar
Maelstrom Crew
Paradigm Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.31 14:26:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Marn Prestoc on 31/03/2009 14:32:48
ffs

Happster
Polaris Project
Posted - 2009.03.31 14:29:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: NightmareX
CCP have said them self that the Tempest is awesome, so i think the balance team knows better than Astro about how the ships works.


Please show me the quote where CCP said Tempest is awsome.

Marn Prestoc
Minmatar
Maelstrom Crew
Paradigm Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.31 14:33:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Marn Prestoc on 31/03/2009 14:43:23
Originally by: NightmareX
CCP have said them self that the Tempest is awesome, so i think the balance team knows better than Astro about how the ships worksWink.


Edit: lmao Zulupark... forgot that topic, I was thinking of another reply. Nevermind, its still only 1 person, just as you or I are only 1 person, he made it clear it was only his opinion and not speaking for CCP. Plus his reputation isn't exactly great... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=905941&page=1#4

Perform "fine" as a Shield tank (lol 5 mids) or armour tank (lol 6 mids). Obviously "fine" means "worse than everything else" in CCP speak.

Anyway, when people in your own alliance who use the ship say it isn't awesome (pattern). You'll find there reply on the situation is they think its flexability makes up for its weaknesses... yup they are still deluded that the flexability it had 2 or 3 plus years ago is the same today. 50% more BS to choose from, rigs increasing specialization, plus boost to other ships+roles that mean more ships out perform it than before.

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.03.31 14:45:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Marn Prestoc
Anyway, when people in your own alliance who use the ship say it isn't awesome (pattern). You'll find there reply on the situation is they think its flexability makes up for its weaknesses... yup they are still deluded that the flexability it had 2 or 3 plus years ago is the same today. 50% more BS to choose from, rigs increasing specialization, plus boost to other ships+roles that mean more ships out perform it than before.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1016708&page=44#1317

Says enough.

Marn Prestoc
Minmatar
Maelstrom Crew
Paradigm Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.31 14:50:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Marn Prestoc on 31/03/2009 14:52:39
Congrats, pilots in your own alliance can't agree on if it needs changing or not... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=987926

Notice Karade says "the Megathron a close second (well actually pretty much on a par, just slightly different advantages)" so really its just down to pilot skills on which you use. Shame that the Mega is much better in larger snipe gangs whilst being the equal of Tempest in small ones.

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.03.31 15:33:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 31/03/2009 15:40:52
Originally by: Marn Prestoc
Edited by: Marn Prestoc on 31/03/2009 14:52:39
Congrats, pilots in your own alliance can't agree on if it needs changing or not... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=987926

Notice Karade says "the Megathron a close second (well actually pretty much on a par, just slightly different advantages)" so really its just down to pilot skills on which you use. Shame that the Mega is much better in larger snipe gangs whilst being the equal of Tempest in small ones.

As for larger gangs where Artilleries and Rails is used. There is a good enough reason why Artilleries and Rails isn't quite so good now.

Because if THIS really is the case, then the Artilleries and Rails will get a DPS boost if that gets fixed.

But yeah, i'm always in for a boost to the Tempest. Not that i need it on the Tempest though. But it's fine anyways.

Cohkka
Celestial Apocalypse
death from above..
Posted - 2009.03.31 16:12:00 - [80]
 

Nightmare, you have no right to comment on your alliance activities. You're not participating, your own alliance mates who actually fly these ships regularly on TQ say exactly the opposite of what you say. In fact you're alone with your oppinion (appart from usual Amarr trolls).

And actually you and your "brother/friend/lover" have earned yourself a permaban. I'm eagerly awaiting the day when we can start a minmatar/gallente thread without you spamming it to death.

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.03.31 16:54:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 31/03/2009 17:27:53
Originally by: Cohkka
Nightmare, you have no right to comment on your alliance activities. You're not participating, your own alliance mates who actually fly these ships regularly on TQ say exactly the opposite of what you say. In fact you're alone with your oppinion (appart from usual Amarr trolls).

And actually you and your "brother/friend/lover" have earned yourself a permaban. I'm eagerly awaiting the day when we can start a minmatar/gallente thread without you spamming it to death.

Ofc i will be in any of the Gallente and Minmatar topics when i see peoples are lying about how those 2 races are and how crap they are yadda yadda yadda. And how uber awesome Amarr is etc. And then cheat newer players think Amarr is the ultimate pwn race of PVP.

Anyways.

One person in the alliance here have given some examples on what can make Tempest to be a BETTER ship. It doesn't mean the Tempest sucks as it is now.

And another guy in the alliance here have said the Tempest is very good for us because of our PVP style. And i'm also saying the same. I love the Tempest for what it is and what it can do that other BS'es can't do.

For proof that a Tempest is used ALOT, then just take a look at our killboard. Tempest is the 2nd most used BS for us. It's just under the Megathron. The Megathron have 102 more kills than the Tempest have under stats.

And the Artilleries are the most used BS sized weapons to.

Your bitter post don't change that fact at all.

Try better next time. KTNXBAI.

Cohkka
Celestial Apocalypse
death from above..
Posted - 2009.03.31 17:54:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: NightmareX

Your bitter post don't change that fact at all.



You say that to everyone when you don't have much to say. Fact however is that posting like an angry kiddo the same stuff over and over again doesn't make them better/more plausible. Another fact is that ignoring facts won't make you more believeable (should we dig up the last Blasterthread for evidence?).

I won't comment on the Tempest in it's current state because I haven't flown one since ages, neither did you. I dare ask you do the same.

Traderboz
SlaveMart
Posted - 2009.03.31 17:59:00 - [83]
 

Quote:
CCP have said them self that the Tempest is awesome, so i think the balance team knows better than Astro about how the ships works.


They also said the average player flying around in a t2 fit Vaga has a full set of high grade snakes in his head. One of them saying the tempest is good (I'd be curious who said it and how long ago they said it, heh, since tempest used to be nice years back) hardly proves anything. :P

Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2009.03.31 18:13:00 - [84]
 

I've been a long time laser user, been using them since the days when amarr was considered the worst race, and recently trained t2 large projectiles (now that minmatar are considered the worse race) and in all honesty I've been having a lot of success flying the tempest, both with buffertank with neuts and dual rep injected tank, got about 50 or so kills soloing or flying in a 2 or 3 man team over the last 3 or so weeks.

that being said I agree that large auto's could use a boost to falloff, the pest seems most effective when using RF EMP or Hail + Neuts at close range, not often have I had occasion to use barrage, the exception being when fighting things like rapiers or vaga's where its high speed and long falloff was good at chasing them off.

Now you could say that I might as well fly a laser ship since I can, but a geddon isnt fast like a tempest for soloing, it also lacks the mids for a sensor booster / ECCM combo or disruptor / scrambler combo should you need it, it also lacks the neuting power of a dual heavy neut pest, ofc you can reverse this and say the pest lacks the ooooompfh of the geddon, and it lacks the large reliable damage at range that scorch gives, and the big drone bay etc

overall despite its drawbacks the pest is one fun and versatile ship to fly, its got a niche and I can tell you from experience its not nearly as bad as astro and crew like to make out

Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2009.03.31 18:15:00 - [85]
 

also, nightmareX is a dong

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.03.31 18:27:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 31/03/2009 18:37:48
Originally by: Traderboz
Quote:
CCP have said them self that the Tempest is awesome, so i think the balance team knows better than Astro about how the ships works.


They also said the average player flying around in a t2 fit Vaga has a full set of high grade snakes in his head. One of them saying the tempest is good (I'd be curious who said it and how long ago they said it, heh, since tempest used to be nice years back) hardly proves anything. :P

I have used the Tempest enough to know it's good. Just look up on the Triumvirate killboard.

The reason i haven't flown the Tempest yet after Apocrypha is because of my RL. I simply haven't had the time to join in on those OP's because those types of OP's take times. So far i have only had time to join up on those short and easy OP's with Intys and that. But i'm sure later when i get more time, both of my Tempest andf Navy Mega will be used quite alot.

And the fact is that after the web and speed nerf, the Tempest got boosted a little bit. Those who says it didn't only prooves that you have never flown a Tempest before. So it's better now than it was before the web and speed nerf.

BTW, i have 2x Tempest's in my hangar here nowWink. One sniper fitted and one close range fitted.

Trader20
Posted - 2009.03.31 18:37:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Trader20 on 31/03/2009 18:39:18
Originally by: Ris Dnalor
Originally by: gold 1
What is the point of minmantar ships? ...rabble..rabble..rabble... They need twice as much skills and still do the most damage...


Quote:

[Typhoon, DPS]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L

Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

Ogre II x5





Do you plan on shootin at a sieged dread or a pos? Laughing

Traderboz
SlaveMart
Posted - 2009.03.31 18:49:00 - [88]
 

Quote:
And the fact is that after the web and speed nerf, the Tempest got boosted a little bit. Those who says it didn't only prooves that you have never flown a Tempest before. So it's better now than it was before the web and speed nerf.


Just throwing this out there, and I'm not trying to say I agree or disagree with your statement. I think this little paragraph shows one thing very clearly - you are pretty bad at writing a logical, persuasive argument, haha, and I think that's why there's so many flames coming your way.

You make a statement, throw out an insult, and repeat your original statement. That's perhaps how an 8th grader argues with someone, but it's honestly not going to convince anyone older than that (and even then, it just leaves both 8th graders ****y at each other :P). There's no need for insults in a discussion, but more so than that, you offer absolutely no justification for your statement. You don't give a single reason WHY it got boosted by the web/speed nerf. Yet it's the justification/support for your statement that will actually help you convince your audience (here, forum trolls :P).

If you don't offer any justifications for your point, your reader might have a clue why your statement is true, or he might not. But either way, you aren't going to persuade anyone unless you offer your reasons why that statement is true/should be believed.

As an example, if you were going to vote for Sarah Palin in 4 years and I say "She's an idiot".. hm, bad example, that's common knowledge. But let's say you're going to vote for her, and I say "She'll raise taxes." If I over no more justification than that, are you going to suddenly believe me? Better yet, let's package that with an insult, and perhaps I say "She'll raise taxes you Tempest-loving douchebag", are you persuaded yet? Probably not. Razz Even if I repeat my statement again, odds are you aren't going to believe me unless I offer some rational support for my statement.

Wow, I'm off-topic. Oh, and I tend to agree with you that Tempest got a buff by the patch, but who knows if I agree for the same reasons as you think it got a buff. Laughing Support your statements, give some reasoning why things you say are true, and I think you'll have a better shot at convincing people rather than just inciting flames haha.

Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
Posted - 2009.03.31 18:53:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: gold 1
The only Min ship I like is the Rifter. The rest are just meh.


The only ice cream I like is tutti frutti. The rest are just ****e.

Guo Nian
Posted - 2009.03.31 18:55:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: NightmareX
CCP have said them self that the Tempest is awesome, so i think the balance team knows better than Astro about how the ships worksWink.



Erm, I don't know if you have been paying attention to CCP's antics over the years, but their idea of balance is akin to using a sledge hammer to put a picture frame on the wall.

They are THE and I mean THE worst balance team of any mainstream MMO. So you saying that they must know what they are doing and have a better idea of how a ship works than a veteran gamer is laughable at best.

I Cry when I read CCP's comments and ideas on balance.


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