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Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2009.03.28 10:50:00 - [1]
 

While ethnic Intaki have risen to great heights within the Gallente Federation, enjoying many successes and the rewards that come with them, The Intaki Liberation Front has, since its creation, put forth the notion that the Gallente Federation was generally not interested in the plight of those Intaki who chose to remain residents of their home system.

For years, the Federation's dereliction was evident by the frequency of pirate attacks and the resulting strain on the economy in the Intaki System. While these problems are now being addressed by the capsuleer community, the true measure of the Federation's abandonment has been evidenced by its lack of commitment to keep the system out of the war with the Caldari.

As I have stated elsewhere, the ILF has taken a policy of neutrality in the factional warfare, choosing instead to continue its long-standing policy of creating "blue" relationships with corporations on an individual basis, based largely on how those corps view the Intaki claim to self-determination.

Here-to-fore, the Caldari have been much more supportive of this claim. In fact, in some cases, our professed desire for self-rule has caused Federation Militia corps to become openly hostile, although the ILF has NEVER advocated a violent separation from the Federation.

It does occur that ILF pilots will join with “blue” allies to fight aggressive “red” and neutral pilots. Our rules of engagement prevent ILF pilots from taking sides in “blue on blue” skirmishes, however. So any instances of ILF pilots flying with Caldari against Federation militia is most likely the result of the Federation corporations' unwillingness to exchange blue standings.

As an aside, any corporation wishing to exchange positive standings may contact me directly or Andromedous Aplec, the ILF's chief diplomat. We're always looking for allies to help us improve the safety of pilots operating in and around the Intaki System.

Back to the matter at hand, namely the “liberation” of the Intaki System: Anyone considering the current situation must take into account Interstellar Law concerning the "conquering" of a star system. The following comes from CONCORD's resolutions of militia warfare:

"Sovereignty will never be modified or affected by factional warfare occupancy. A system's sovereignty was determined by the faction that originally settled in the system and claimed it as its own and the sovereignty will never change due to that fact. A system's occupancy is determined by the Factional Militia holding it."

So it is that CONCORD will continue to recognize the Gallente as the sovereigns of Intaki and the Caldari as an occupational entity.

It remains the position of the Intaki Liberation Front that NEITHER of these groups can claim sovereignty as that power lies inherently with the Intaki people themselves. As such, the ILF considers both forces to be occupational in nature and will continue to gather allies in its quest for self-determination and eventual independence for the Intaki people.

Vendrin
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2009.03.28 12:05:00 - [2]
 

All talk, little action. For all my disagreements with CAIN, at least they only speak when they've actually done something.

Daelin Blackleaf
White Rose Society
Posted - 2009.03.28 14:35:00 - [3]
 

Were the Intaki to remove themselves from the Federation they would find themselves a very small fish in an ocean of predators. I'd give it a year maybe two before the system either reintegrates into the Federation for the protection of it's navy, opts into contracts with the state that effectively make it corporately owned and defended, is "reclaimed" by the Amarr Empire, or falls to any of the various outlaw entities roaming around out here.

Even were they able to successfully survive the Empires tend not to tolerate the rise of any truly independent powers in their midst. The Syndicate is a prime example, kept afloat only by it's criminal contacts and Federal ties.

Tellnan Matkiel
Gallente
The Industrial Consortium
Posted - 2009.03.28 15:01:00 - [4]
 

Reality and practicalities should never cause one to cease to dream.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2009.03.28 15:14:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Were the Intaki to remove themselves from the Federation they would find themselves a very small fish in an ocean of predators. I'd give it a year maybe two before the system either reintegrates into the Federation for the protection of it's navy, opts into contracts with the state that effectively make it corporately owned and defended, is "reclaimed" by the Amarr Empire, or falls to any of the various outlaw entities roaming around out here.


I'm sure the Federation would treat an Intaki cession from the Federation with the same respect it gave the Caldari.

Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.03.28 15:38:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Tellnan Matkiel
Reality and practicalities should never cause one to cease to dream.


Heh, no, but it's what starts wars.

Atraxerxes
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
OWN Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.28 17:28:00 - [7]
 

The 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit of the Caldari State is proud have a NAP and blue status set for the ILF.

Hopefully in future endeavours our expansion into former Federation occupied space will allow us to not only help keep the peace, but help revitalize the market in Intaki.

Atraxerxes/CEO 22nd BRDU


Daelin Blackleaf
White Rose Society
Posted - 2009.03.28 17:30:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Tellnan Matkiel
Reality and practicalities should never cause one to cease to dream.


I know all about having a dream to follow, I also know that a dream can get your worlds bombarded, invaded, and their surviving populations enslaved.

Tellnan Matkiel
Gallente
The Industrial Consortium
Posted - 2009.03.28 18:04:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
I know all about having a dream to follow, I also know that a dream can get your worlds bombarded, invaded, and their surviving populations enslaved.

The likelihood - no, the certainty - of violent retribution is no good reason to abandon a dream.


Daelin Blackleaf
White Rose Society
Posted - 2009.03.28 18:31:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Tellnan Matkiel
The likelihood - no, the certainty - of violent retribution is no good reason to abandon a dream.


I'd like to think I know a thing or two about that.

But I doubt the average Intaki has a dream of getting killed or enslaved. The worlds of the Empires hang together because otherwise they would hang alone. They support each other because only combined can their economic, political, and military force stand against other similarly powerful groups.

Add that no grouping of worlds can afford to be diminished, nor afford to allow an event such as the "liberation" of one group to cascade into a full-blown collapse of their society as everyone else starts thinking how well they could do on their own, and you have the very same logic that lead to the bombardment of Caldari prime and other such atrocities.

The Intaki don't have the numbers, the unity, the resources, or the military might to pull off a Khanid let alone a Gallente-Caldari-like civil war.

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2009.03.28 18:52:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Faraelle Brightman on 28/03/2009 18:56:55
Originally by: Vendrin
All talk, little action. For all my disagreements with CAIN, at least they only speak when they've actually done something.


That's rather the point of a statement of neutrality. ILF's activities in space tend toward "local law enforcement" and you know well what the area is like, Vendrin. "Little action" would be selling them short, just most of the action isn't notable enough to make public anouncements about.

Tellnan Matkiel
Gallente
The Industrial Consortium
Posted - 2009.03.28 19:37:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
The Intaki don't have the numbers, the unity, the resources, or the military might to pull off a Khanid let alone a Gallente-Caldari-like civil war.

I don't disagree, but all of this is irrelevent so long as there are Intaki who dream of independence. Dreams have a power greater than guns, as you yourself know so very well. And dreams have a cost. You will know that too.

I care not for Intaki independence myself, like you I think it is doomed to failure while the Federation and State dominate our space. But ... I am very glad there are those innocent enough to dream that dream, even if I do not share it.

Inara Subaka
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.03.28 20:04:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
I'm sure the Federation would treat an Intaki cession from the Federation with the same respect it gave the Caldari.


*Inara snickers slightly*

The Federation has always been straight forward with their policies, I think it's something like this: "We are open minded to all ideas, moralities and modes of thought, as long as they agree with ours".


Originally by: Saxon Hawke, quoting CONCORD militia warfare resolutions
Sovereignty will never be modified or affected by factional warfare occupancy. A system's sovereignty was determined by the faction that originally settled in the system and claimed it as its own and the sovereignty will never change due to that fact. A system's occupancy is determined by the Factional Militia holding it.


And yet another reason CONCORD shows it's inadequacy. I'd bet if the Intaki people were to break away from the Federation as the State did many years ago, CONCORD would still label them as part of the Federation simply due to the bureaucracy of changing the location transponders in those systems and the information network that all Pilots have access to.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2009.03.28 22:22:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Stitcher on 28/03/2009 22:22:30
Originally by: Inara Subaka
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
I'm sure the Federation would treat an Intaki cession from the Federation with the same respect it gave the Caldari.


*Inara snickers slightly*

The Federation has always been straight forward with their policies, I think it's something like this: "We are open minded to all ideas, moralities and modes of thought, as long as they agree with ours".


"As long as they are not incompatible with ours" actually. Subtle difference, you might think, but those three words are the reason why the Intaki homeworld never got bombed from orbit while the Caldari one did.

Aulis Harju
Caldari
Posted - 2009.03.28 22:49:00 - [15]
 

To be honest, I could care less about the plight of the Intaki people. They stuck with the federation and helped them attack and oppress us. They deserve every bit of what they're getting. The Federation was built on Caldari blood, and everyone who didn't resist it along with us is a traitor to the State and deserves to be punished for allowing the federation to ravage our sacred Homeworld. I hate every last federal soldier and politician and every last apathetic citizen of the federation who ignorantly keep them in power. I will laugh and dance when the might of our State scorches your worlds and you receive just retribution for your crimes.

For Race and State!

Vendrin
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2009.03.28 23:06:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Aulis Harju
To be honest, I could care less about the plight of the Intaki people. They stuck with the federation and helped them attack and oppress us. They deserve every bit of what they're getting. The Federation was built on Caldari blood, and everyone who didn't resist it along with us is a traitor to the State and deserves to be punished for allowing the federation to ravage our sacred Homeworld. I hate every last federal soldier and politician and every last apathetic citizen of the federation who ignorantly keep them in power. I will laugh and dance when the might of our State scorches your worlds and you receive just retribution for your crimes.

For Race and State!


Vendrin sighs.

Try to actually learn about history before you go blathering on about it. Your hate is a waste of time.

Magnus Nordir
Caldari
Nordir Industries
Posted - 2009.03.28 23:11:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Aulis Harju
To be honest, I could care less about the plight of the Intaki people. They stuck with the federation and helped them attack and oppress us. They deserve every bit of what they're getting. The Federation was built on Caldari blood, and everyone who didn't resist it along with us is a traitor to the State and deserves to be punished for allowing the federation to ravage our sacred Homeworld. I hate every last federal soldier and politician and every last apathetic citizen of the federation who ignorantly keep them in power. I will laugh and dance when the might of our State scorches your worlds and you receive just retribution for your crimes.

For Race and State!


Oh look, another new Capsuleer, straight out of the academy.

Just a little tip: Your state or whoever you got that bile from lies to you, and the race you call yours is keeping you enslaved. The irrelevant little skirmish between the political representations of Caldari and Gallente races is of the inferiors, not of Gods.

Hamish Grayson
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Posted - 2009.03.29 01:22:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Hamish Grayson on 29/03/2009 02:07:46
Originally by: Stitcher
the reason why the Intaki homeworld never got bombed from orbit while the Caldari one did.


The reason Guri, is because the Intaki saw what happened to the Caldari, who at that time were in a much better position to succeed and still barely avoided extinction, and so they got back in line and did as they were told.

I also noticed that you seem to be under the impression that the Caldari willingly founded a Federation with the Gallente. Our ancestors were about as willing “Co-founders” of the Federation as the Ni-kunni were of the Amarrian Empire. As we’d barely figured out the steam engine when the first Gallente Space ships landed we didn’t have much choice when they said they were creating an Empire and we’d be in it. At that time they had complete control over all known space and were using their post industrial age economy and technology to completely dominate our pre-industrial revolution society and culture. They attempted to remold the Caldari into a people more appropriately conformed to their desires - to eradicate our culture and replace it with their own.

Do not kid yourself, we were a conquered people. The only difference between the Gallente Imperialist and the Amarrians is that instead of coercion at gun point they offered advanced technologies to local leaders that chose to become their puppets and none to those resisted – they offered the corporate system and advanced economic techniques to merchant guilds that spread their cultural imperialism for them and smiled as those that wouldn’t collaborate withered and died.

Only there were those Caldari who were clever enough to say ‘we’ll take your ‘gifts’ and we’ll keep smiling and jumping when you twitch your finger right up until we are finally strong enough to look you in the eye and say No'. Thank the Maker for them! Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu!


Sumerio Rayej
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2009.03.29 19:43:00 - [19]
 

There are those of us of the Intaki Liberation Front who would love believe in the Gallente way of life. Liberty and democracy for all peoples is a lofty ideal, a tempting slogan to follow. But it has never been anything but an ideal for the Intaki homeworld. Our world suffers without security, without commerce, unless you count the Serpentis drug trade. It's buried deep in low security space where only pirates rule. The only interest the Gallente or the Caldari seem to have in Intaki is as a high-profile trophy in the current war. It's a sad state of affairs.

Perhaps the Gallente Federation ignores the plight of our people as "punishment" for the actions of the Mordus Legion or the Intaki Syndicate. Maybe they genuinely have too many other troubles to worry about. As the recent Caldari occupation of Intaki has hammered home, the Gallente Federation lacks either the will or the ability to provide security for, and thus to govern, Intaki. Therefore, the ILF has stepped forward as a first step toward Intaki self-rule. Since it seems we will have to, Intaki will provide its own security and, eventually, its own independent government. Let the Federation and Caldari pod pilots continue to fight their pointless war. It doesn't really matter to us who claims to "occupy" Intaki.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2009.03.29 20:02:00 - [20]
 

It's Haan, Grayson. If you have a problem with that, feel free to take it up with the Ishukone Citizen's Representation Department. Cite reference #PP012-Ha73914.

I won't argue history with you, even if you are wildly inaccurate - the Caldari had a functioning global communications network when the eye-rollingly named "Cultural Deliverance Society" arrived. I just wish I was as ignorant to the realities of cross-cultural diplomacy as you seem to be. Life was so much easier when I was swallowing the corporate propaganda.

Hamish Grayson
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Posted - 2009.03.30 00:26:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Stitcher
It's Haan, Grayson. If you have a problem with that, feel free to take it up with the Ishukone Citizen's Representation Department. Cite reference #PP012-Ha73914.


I'm sure your ancestors are very proud of that piece of paper Guri.

Major Deviant
Posted - 2009.03.30 02:13:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

The Intaki don't have the numbers, the unity, the resources, or the military might to pull off a Khanid let alone a Gallente-Caldari-like civil war.


There are third parties such as Mordu's Legion that ccould help in that front. Mercenaries, yes but with Intaki interests as well. We are talking about a system to begin with and ML, can easily defend a system as the Feds would not be stupid enough to send the navy. Caldari would respond in kind and full blown war follows.

Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.03.30 02:36:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Hamish Grayson
Originally by: Stitcher
It's Haan, Grayson. If you have a problem with that, feel free to take it up with the Ishukone Citizen's Representation Department. Cite reference #PP012-Ha73914.


I'm sure your ancestors are very proud of that piece of paper Guri.


CAIN continues to prove that they ignore facts when placed blatantly in front of their face.

Kimochi Rendar
Veto.
Posted - 2009.03.30 08:52:00 - [24]
 

You're still beating this drum? You ILF folks need to learn that separation from a nation like the Gallente Federation is not a good thing when you have no real political or military power to speak of...

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2009.03.30 09:14:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Hamish Grayson
Originally by: Stitcher
It's Haan, Grayson. If you have a problem with that, feel free to take it up with the Ishukone Citizen's Representation Department. Cite reference #PP012-Ha73914.


I'm sure your ancestors are very proud of that piece of paper Guri.


Yes, I'm sure they are actually.

Passero mus
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2009.03.30 09:20:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Kimochi Rendar
You're still beating this drum? You ILF folks need to learn that separation from a nation like the Gallente Federation is not a good thing when you have no real political or military power to speak of...


Although i am Intaki i truly agree with you. I don't feel like seperating from the federation to. They have done so much for us. We knew the Gallentian even before the federation was founded and long before the great war.

I respect the Federation much more than i respect the state...

Mort Eveson
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2009.03.30 10:03:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Passero mus
Originally by: Kimochi Rendar
You're still beating this drum? You ILF folks need to learn that separation from a nation like the Gallente Federation is not a good thing when you have no real political or military power to speak of...


Although i am Intaki i truly agree with you. I don't feel like seperating from the federation to. They have done so much for us. We knew the Gallentian even before the federation was founded and long before the great war.

I respect the Federation much more than i respect the state...


That's what I used to believe, before I went to the Intaki system. It was filled with pirates, the jump gates leading to it regularly camped; it had become a back water. I agree the Gallentian have done a lot for us, but they have left Intaki to the dogs.

Passero mus
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2009.03.30 10:21:00 - [28]
 

But what has our home world has to offer more? I live happily in Gallentian space. Close to where CONCORD keep track of everything. It's been generations ago that someone of my family has returned to the Placid Region.

I hear stories about the beauty of Intaki V but why, if it is such a beauty, did the federation leave it to the pirates?

I don't know that much about our history or original homeworld. The only things i know are from stories and readings but they are all a blur...

I live happily among the other Gallantian and they accept us really good. They respect me as a captain and offer me great jobs with high responsibilty. I don't believe they would do that if they didn't respect our bloodline?

Megrim
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2009.03.30 11:18:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Passero mus
But what has our home world has to offer more? I live happily in Gallentian space. Close to where CONCORD keep track of everything. It's been generations ago that someone of my family has returned to the Placid Region.

I hear stories about the beauty of Intaki V but why, if it is such a beauty, did the federation leave it to the pirates?

I don't know that much about our history or original homeworld. The only things i know are from stories and readings but they are all a blur...

I live happily among the other Gallantian and they accept us really good. They respect me as a captain and offer me great jobs with high responsibilty. I don't believe they would do that if they didn't respect our bloodline?


I too was born and raised in Gallente space. My first visit to Intaki however, drastically changed my opinion of the Federation. Whilst I'm not about to welcome Caldari profiteers with open arms, I can fully understand the festering resentment of many of my fellow pilots in Intaki, the same pilots who spend their time offering the protection so sorely lacking from Federation forces.

Intaki V is indeed a stunning place, as for why it's been so long ignored, well, that's a matter of debate. My only hope is that out of all this chaos, Intaki may finally gain some measure of importance in the eyes of the Federation, or if not the Fed's, then possibly the State. If steps had been taken earlier to address some of these concerns, such as the dismal security status for one, it's entirely possible we would all be in a very different situation right now.

Passero mus
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2009.03.30 11:28:00 - [30]
 

By reading all this you make me doubt the cause i am fighting for.
Am i fighting on the right side? Shouldn't i rather join my fellow Intakis and fight for our home world?

A few days ago i had to do an important mission for an agent who really trusts me. It was a mission that was of great importance of the Federation. The caldarian had deployed a secret communication array in Sinq Laison and i had to find it and destroy it. It was known that is was highly guarded and although i almost lost my life in that fight, i was truly convinced that i was doing the right thing. I helped the Federation fighting the State but if the more i read, the more i delve into our history, the more i have to think we, as Intaki are right in the middle between the Federation and the State.



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