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Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:26:00 - [781]
 

Originally by: Vladic Ka

Cars are not comparable. Names, trademarks and ideas perhaps. If you want to talk about it in a RL way.

Why, because you can't refute the logic?

You know, I had a feeling you would try and squirm out of it in exactly that manner.



If I lose my wallet and someone finds it and assumes my identity they should be punished, but if someone steals my wallet and assumes my identity we should just let that slide, cause, like, they planned it?

Vladic Ka
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:30:00 - [782]
 

Edited by: Vladic Ka on 26/03/2009 18:29:51
Originally by: Avon

Why, because you can't refute the logic?

You know, I had a feeling you would try and squirm out of it in exactly that manner.



If I lose my wallet and someone finds it and assumes my identity they should be punished, but if someone steals my wallet and assumes my identity we should just let that slide, cause, like, they planned it?


Personal identity is also not comparable. Corperate names/trademarks perhaps? Im not as good an internet lawyer as yourself it seems.

Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:31:00 - [783]
 

Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 26/03/2009 18:31:33
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Personal identity is also not comparable. Corperate names/trademarks perhaps? Im not as good an internet lawyer as yourself it seems.


That's funny, if I stole Coca-Cola's name in real life and used it to sell fungicide, I'd be forced to stop trading with the name.

Vladic Ka
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:33:00 - [784]
 

Originally by: Doctor Penguin


That's funny, if I stole Coca-Cola's name in real life and used it to sell fungicide, I'd be forced to stop trading with the name.


I agree. It would be very difficult to pull off.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:33:00 - [785]
 

Originally by: Vladic Ka

Personal identity is also not comparable. Corperate names/trademarks perhaps? Im not as good an internet lawyer as yourself it seems.

You said names, and now you are backtracking from that .. whowoulddathunkit?

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:33:00 - [786]
 

Originally by: Vladic Ka
Edited by: Vladic Ka on 26/03/2009 18:29:51
Originally by: Avon

Why, because you can't refute the logic?

You know, I had a feeling you would try and squirm out of it in exactly that manner.



If I lose my wallet and someone finds it and assumes my identity they should be punished, but if someone steals my wallet and assumes my identity we should just let that slide, cause, like, they planned it?


Personal identity is also not comparable. Corperate names/trademarks perhaps? Im not as good an internet lawyer as yourself it seems.


Funny how nothing is comparable except what you say is comparable. Seems to be a trend these days...

Thol's Ego
Tin Foil
KenZoku
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:35:00 - [787]
 

People like vladic are exactly why this whole topic is not "just about the name changing, and not about BoB" like so many people stated.

The guy is so blatently wrong it's painfull to watch but he just keeps trying to squirm his way out of it because of his bitterness towards us. Pretty hilarious really, but also a bit worrying as CCP listens to ppl like this if they make a threadnaught.

Vladic Ka
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:36:00 - [788]
 

Originally by: Avon

You said names, and now you are backtracking from that .. whowoulddathunkit?


Sorry I didnt make myself clear. When I said names I assumed you knew I was talking about it in a corperate manner. Please argue on as such.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:37:00 - [789]
 

Edited by: Avon on 26/03/2009 18:41:31
Originally by: XoPhyte

Funny how nothing is comparable except what you say is comparable. Seems to be a trend these days...


Basically he is saying that the rules should be enforced only based on his perception of the circumstance.

Precedent only applies if it supports the outcome he wants.


I mean, if he believes in precedent he would be happy for the alliance Band of Brothers to reform under that name, and if he doesn't believe that precedent is important he would have no objection to Kenzuko being renamed Reloaded.

A cynic may think he is flip-flopping between the two as and when it suits his case.

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:37:00 - [790]
 

Originally by: Thol's Ego
People like vladic are exactly why this whole topic is not "just about the name changing, and not about BoB" like so many people stated.

The guy is so blatently wrong it's painfull to watch but he just keeps trying to squirm his way out of it because of his bitterness towards us. Pretty hilarious really, but also a bit worrying as CCP listens to ppl like this if they make a threadnaught.


Thol, I have been told it's not a "threadnaught" just thousands of 1 line forum posts in a rapid succession.

And our 1 petition that day our name changed following precedent is "cheating" and "manipulating the GM's".

Please try to get it right going forward. TIA.

Vladic Ka
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:37:00 - [791]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte

Funny how nothing is comparable except what you say is comparable. Seems to be a trend these days...


As I said I am not an internet lawyer like you guys. I am just putting my thought on the matter down.

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:39:00 - [792]
 

Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/03/2009 18:40:58
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Originally by: XoPhyte

Funny how nothing is comparable except what you say is comparable. Seems to be a trend these days...


As I said I am not an internet lawyer like you guys. I am just putting my thought on the matter down.


My advise (and I really mean this) would be to stop while you are already miles behind Wink

And I fail to see how items that only work out for you and our contradiction of those points makes us internet lawyers. But I guess anybody that argues with you should be labeled. I myself could fall into the same trap and label you as delusional for instance...

Thol's Ego
Tin Foil
KenZoku
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:39:00 - [793]
 

Originally by: Avon
A cynic may think he is flip-flopping between the two as and when it suits his case.


I predicted this term surfacing alot !!!!!

Nostradamus has nothing on me tbfh.

Vladic Ka
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:41:00 - [794]
 

Originally by: Vladic Ka


If you feel badly about the way an in game mechanic is flawed then it goes to the Assembly Hall or the Ideas Forum, like everything else. It gets changed after the fact.




Ill just quote myself here and leave it at that then eh boys. Dont want you getting all worked up.

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:42:00 - [795]
 

Originally by: Vladic Ka
Originally by: Vladic Ka


If you feel badly about the way an in game mechanic is flawed then it goes to the Assembly Hall or the Ideas Forum, like everything else. It gets changed after the fact.




Ill just quote myself here and leave it at that then eh boys. Dont want you getting all worked up.


Can you please point me to the "change alliance name" ingame button? TIA

Kheldon Fel
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:42:00 - [796]
 

You gentlemen certainly seem upset about all this. Perhaps you should take this game a bit less seriously.

Marius Duvall
Amarr
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:43:00 - [797]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Originally by: Vladic Ka


If you feel badly about the way an in game mechanic is flawed then it goes to the Assembly Hall or the Ideas Forum, like everything else. It gets changed after the fact.




Ill just quote myself here and leave it at that then eh boys. Dont want you getting all worked up.


Can you please point me to the "change alliance name" ingame button? TIA


Please show me where you have made a good post tia.

Kitana Muerte
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:43:00 - [798]
 

Originally by: Tobruk
...Seriously though, thank you for restoring some of my faith in the game...


this

EliteSlave
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:44:00 - [799]
 

When one starts to compare EVE to RL you automatically lose the arguement.

Now,

I knew that GS had wardec'd your alliance to prevent the Corps at hand from making the alliance. But had you really wanted the BOB name back you could have made a new corp which costs 1.6m isk and made the alliance which cost's 1b isk. and thus got around the war dec preventing you from joining up.

Now that is squared away,

What you really need to understand is you went about the name change the wrong way. After you were disbanded you should have created the BOBR alliance with 2 alt corps, after doing so move the real corps into BOBR and then Petition to have the name changed. But since you joined an Already Established Alliance that was BEFORE the Fiasco of being disbanded you dont get the right to have it changed.

You ( BOB, well now Kenny YARRRR!! ) messed up, live with it. Or better yet since you dont own space now you might as well just disband again.. and make BOB Reloaded. But with the Legitimate Naming Conventions of 24 characters, not 25. So till then quit whining, actually do something. =\

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:45:00 - [800]
 

Originally by: Vladic Ka
Originally by: Vladic Ka


If you feel badly about the way an in game mechanic is flawed then it goes to the Assembly Hall or the Ideas Forum, like everything else. It gets changed after the fact.




Ill just quote myself here and leave it at that then eh boys. Dont want you getting all worked up.

We aren't talking about a flawed in game mechanic, we are talking about name squatting, which is a know customer service issue which has previously been resolved in favour of the alliance who had their name taken.

I'm sure you would encourage CCP to apply their own rulings fairly and equally, no matter who is involved, right?
I am sure you would be outraged if they showed favouritsm?

Good try though.

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:46:00 - [801]
 

Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/03/2009 18:49:30
Originally by: Marius Duvall

Please show me where you have made a good post tia.


I'm sure you know how to use eve-search, or hit the back button to read the posts. Why should I accommodate your incompetence and/or laziness?

I will take your post to mean you have no contradicting points to bring up on any of these topics? Speaks volumns tbh. Smile

Meh, I gave in, here you go...

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1033628&page=25#741

And since you are lazy I will requote myself..

Originally by: XoPhyte

Agreed. The things that should be looked at imho...


  1. What did CCP "investigate" for 2 months and why did it take so long?

  2. Why did they decided to change to to Band of Brothers Reloaded away from Kenzoku?

  3. Why after 2 months of "investigation" did they then completely reverse their decision after 2 days of complaints? (and they cannot use the "we just found out the Kenzoku alliance was created several months before the disband occured". Thats just a coverup

  4. What in their view sets the COW name change different then the BOB name change?

  5. Why did they not allow a corp to hold the COW name hostage yet they allow Goons to hold the BOB name hostage?






But I am quite sure that nothing I write that contradicts your mantra would be viewed as a "good post" from your perspective. Feel free to bring more then a 1 liner about nothing next time though. Wink

Kheldon Fel
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:47:00 - [802]
 

Edited by: Kheldon Fel on 26/03/2009 18:47:09
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Originally by: Vladic Ka


If you feel badly about the way an in game mechanic is flawed then it goes to the Assembly Hall or the Ideas Forum, like everything else. It gets changed after the fact.




Ill just quote myself here and leave it at that then eh boys. Dont want you getting all worked up.

We aren't talking about a flawed in game mechanic, we are talking about name squatting, which is a know customer service issue which has previously been resolved in favour of the alliance who had their name taken.

I'm sure you would encourage CCP to apply their own rulings fairly and equally, no matter who is involved, right?
I am sure you would be outraged if they showed favouritsm?

Good try though.


Arguably, the CoW name was squatted due to a mechanics bug (notification failure). Had the bug not been in place, the name would have been squatted.

EliteSlave
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:48:00 - [803]
 

Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Originally by: Vladic Ka


If you feel badly about the way an in game mechanic is flawed then it goes to the Assembly Hall or the Ideas Forum, like everything else. It gets changed after the fact.




Ill just quote myself here and leave it at that then eh boys. Dont want you getting all worked up.

We aren't talking about a flawed in game mechanic, we are talking about name squatting, which is a know customer service issue which has previously been resolved in favour of the alliance who had their name taken.

I'm sure you would encourage CCP to apply their own rulings fairly and equally, no matter who is involved, right?
I am sure you would be outraged if they showed favouritsm?

Good try though.


Name Squatting would be more like GS made an Alliance with BOB as a name, but since the new BoB is a corp that is legitimate.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:49:00 - [804]
 

Originally by: EliteSlave
When one starts to compare EVE to RL you automatically lose the arguement.

Now,

I knew that GS had wardec'd your alliance to prevent the Corps at hand from making the alliance. But had you really wanted the BOB name back you could have made a new corp which costs 1.6m isk and made the alliance which cost's 1b isk. and thus got around the war dec preventing you from joining up.

How would that have got the BoB name back?
Explain.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:50:00 - [805]
 

Originally by: EliteSlave

Name Squatting would be more like GS made an Alliance with BOB as a name, but since the new BoB is a corp that is legitimate.

I don't think you understand.

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:50:00 - [806]
 

Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/03/2009 18:51:05
Originally by: EliteSlave
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Originally by: Vladic Ka


If you feel badly about the way an in game mechanic is flawed then it goes to the Assembly Hall or the Ideas Forum, like everything else. It gets changed after the fact.




Ill just quote myself here and leave it at that then eh boys. Dont want you getting all worked up.

We aren't talking about a flawed in game mechanic, we are talking about name squatting, which is a know customer service issue which has previously been resolved in favour of the alliance who had their name taken.

I'm sure you would encourage CCP to apply their own rulings fairly and equally, no matter who is involved, right?
I am sure you would be outraged if they showed favouritsm?

Good try though.


Name Squatting would be more like GS made an Alliance with BOB as a name, but since the new BoB is a corp that is legitimate.


Sigh, you cannot make an alliance with the same name as an already existing corp. Please learn how the game works and THEN post.

Marius Duvall
Amarr
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:51:00 - [807]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Marius Duvall
Please show me where you have made a good post tia.


I'm sure you know how to use eve-search, or hit the back button to read the posts. Why should I accommodate your incompetence and/or laziness?

I will take your post to mean you have no contradicting points to bring up on any of these topics? Speaks volumns tbh. Smile


Why would I need to refute any points? Do you actually think I care about your counter arguments or silly justifications, your name, fairness, or ccp's precedents or lack there-of?

This entire escapade has been the best troll ever.

Montmazar
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:51:00 - [808]
 

Originally by: Avon


If I lose my wallet and someone finds it and assumes my identity they should be punished, but if someone steals my wallet and assumes my identity we should just let that slide, cause, like, they planned it?


Also: If your company doesn't like my company, you still aren't allowed to blow up my car.

Why, it's almost as if it's a video game. With different rules from day to day reality. Imagine that.

Iwant Urstuff
Amarr
Iwant Urstuff Corp
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:51:00 - [809]
 

I just want to know where our cheeze and crackerz are Goonzwarm? All that whine and I haven't recieved a single piece of cheeze or a single cracker.

Twisted Evil


Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.26 18:52:00 - [810]
 

Originally by: Marius Duvall
Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Marius Duvall
Please show me where you have made a good post tia.


I'm sure you know how to use eve-search, or hit the back button to read the posts. Why should I accommodate your incompetence and/or laziness?

I will take your post to mean you have no contradicting points to bring up on any of these topics? Speaks volumns tbh. Smile


Why would I need to refute any points? Do you actually think I care about your counter arguments or silly justifications, your name, fairness, or ccp's precedents or lack there-of?

This entire escapade has been the best troll ever.

No, it never even crossed my mind that you care about fairness, and that's the truth.


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