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NereSky
Gallente
RETRIBUTIONS.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:47:00 - [451]
 

Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: XoPhyte


Or we can follow previous similar precedent and request the name to be changed, but we didn't account for the "change policy whenever they want to" deal that goons want to push but "only when it works in goons favor".

I can't find that in the players guide anywhere either... I must be really bad at finding this stuff.


There was no similar precedent. You can repeat it all day long, but that will not make it true. No alliance has ever before been disbanded in this fashion. CoW is the only other one I am aware of to have had their name changed and they had to reform to do so. I also believe THAT was the wrong thing to do. This "precedent" you are referring to is actually the long history of CCP refusal to change alliance names.

Deal with it.


Waaaah - Rocks little Goon to sleep

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:47:00 - [452]
 

Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: ThorTheGreat

We already have them. We also have your name and your space. Now I'm watching you place hash marks on your self-conceived "Forum Victory" scoreboard as it's pretty much the only thing you can pretend to have going for you.


Haha, you must be new to goons. Yes, it is us, Bob, who threadnaught the forums in an obvious "forum wars" attempt. Very Happy


Read the post I was responding to. The context is there. I know it's hard, but forethought doesn't seem to be your guy's forte so I'll be unsubtle.


Yeah, can you tell me the story again how Bob plays forum wars? Let me go check CAOD to see how we are doing.... I love this story, never get tired of hearing it...

Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:48:00 - [453]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte


Thanks for the headsup. Btw, you seem to be confused. I could care less about the name, I said several times that CCP should follow their policies and get it right the first time. Nice to see you confirming the threadnaught was ridiculous though. Wink


I don't care about losing Band of Brothers.

I don't care about losing every single system.

I don't care about losing Delve.

I don't care about losing Band of Brothers Reloaded.

Lothar Krellum
Minmatar
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:48:00 - [454]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information wed collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.

We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.

Dear CCP, Thank you for taking the time to give this matter your attention and looking at things fairly. I feel justice has now been done. Thank you!


Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:48:00 - [455]
 

Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 25/03/2009 22:48:54
Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: Vincent Gaines


I couldn't resist, even though I haven't been to OT in a long time.


I used to frequent OT back in 1998. I'm naturally that much more hardcore than you are.


unless you're referring to H-A, which doesn't really count, OT started in 2000, so at least do better at pretending to know what I'm referring to.

Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:49:00 - [456]
 

Originally by: Vincent Gaines

OT started in 2000, so at least do better at pretending to know what I'm referring to.


Obviously you aren't hardcore enough. What a lame loser you are.

NereSky
Gallente
RETRIBUTIONS.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:49:00 - [457]
 

Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: XoPhyte


Thanks for the headsup. Btw, you seem to be confused. I could care less about the name, I said several times that CCP should follow their policies and get it right the first time. Nice to see you confirming the threadnaught was ridiculous though. Wink


I don't care about losing Band of Brothers.

I don't care about losing every single system.

I don't care about losing Delve.

I don't care about losing Band of Brothers Reloaded.


There there little one CCP will get you what you want hush hush now

Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Mordus Angels
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:49:00 - [458]
 

After reading what 20? 30? threads; pages and pages of arguments; many missing the actual issue (of whether or not CCP is being consistent and transparent in this decision); instead simply BoB vs Goons partisanship, I guess its time to proclaim ....

Its nice to see things are back to normal!?
(Can't see what everyone's so worked up about)
ExclamationRolling EyesQuestion

Elohllird
Funky Chill Collective
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:50:00 - [459]
 

dont you guys ever get bored of arguing?

cant we argue about jade goody or david icke or the price of fish?


XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:50:00 - [460]
 

Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Caius Proximus
This is a sandbox. There's some weird **** you can pull in this game or have been able to in the past and BOB is no stranger to this. Don't be a ***** about it though when it happens to you.


Soo, goons did not care about "CCP not following policy". You really just threadnaughted to force a CCP decision so you could "pull ****" in the game against Bob?

Thanks for the headsup. Btw, you seem to be confused. I could care less about the name, I said several times that CCP should follow their policies and get it right the first time. Nice to see you confirming the threadnaught was ridiculous though. Wink


If they were following the precedent... a term you seem to love, in this thread your post would be redacted as we're not allowed to discuss whether or not this was a threadnaught anymore.


According to Caius Proximus CCP can change their customer policy on a whim, I guess this was the case here. So no redaction necessary. Wink

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:51:00 - [461]
 

Originally by: Momoha

Obviously you aren't hardcore enough. What a lame loser you are.


yep.

I must be. I'm going to go listen to top 40 and cry with a stuffed animal.

All because of you.

Caius Proximus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:51:00 - [462]
 

Edited by: Caius Proximus on 25/03/2009 22:52:37
Edited by: Caius Proximus on 25/03/2009 22:51:26
Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Caius Proximus
This is a sandbox. There's some weird **** you can pull in this game or have been able to in the past and BOB is no stranger to this. Don't be a ***** about it though when it happens to you.


Soo, goons did not care about "CCP not following policy". You really just threadnaughted to force a CCP decision so you could "pull ****" in the game against Bob?


No, once again the "threadnaught" was because CCP stepped in to go against established game mechanics, because you guys threw a petition-tantrum over them. And what do you know it turns out we were right.

Also what "policy" are you talking about here so far all you've come up with is some Cult of War **** that happened years ago and is overruled by more recent policy in exactly the same circumstances. You need to stop bringing that up as an argument.

Elohllird
Funky Chill Collective
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:51:00 - [463]
 

Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: NereSky


There there little one CCP will get you what you want hush hush now


Hey, so how did you become a BoB pet? Tell me your story.


i fed him weed,

true story

ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:52:00 - [464]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte


According to Caius Proximus CCP can change their customer policy on a whim, I guess this was the case here. So no redaction necessary. Wink


The moderation team only follows policy when it's convenient to them, so I can understand how you could make this mistake.

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:53:00 - [465]
 

Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 25/03/2009 22:53:22
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: Pesadel0


Shut up you goonie CCP did change our alliance name in the beginning .So yes they did this before.


Was that around the same time they gave you bpos and buffed your space at your request? Sure am glad THOSE are the times you're referring to and not something that's occurred since we've moved on from your blatant abuse of the game, such as this CoW thing your corpmates have already mentioned as the precedent they were referring to.


Do you remember back when goons had that nice overlay that gave instant intel about any person in local? you know the one before CCP got it? had a nice pic of that german dictator in place of Remedial?


wait, that's not going against game mechanics, right?

Caius Proximus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:54:00 - [466]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Caius Proximus
This is a sandbox. There's some weird **** you can pull in this game or have been able to in the past and BOB is no stranger to this. Don't be a ***** about it though when it happens to you.


Soo, goons did not care about "CCP not following policy". You really just threadnaughted to force a CCP decision so you could "pull ****" in the game against Bob?

Thanks for the headsup. Btw, you seem to be confused. I could care less about the name, I said several times that CCP should follow their policies and get it right the first time. Nice to see you confirming the threadnaught was ridiculous though. Wink


If they were following the precedent... a term you seem to love, in this thread your post would be redacted as we're not allowed to discuss whether or not this was a threadnaught anymore.


According to Caius Proximus CCP can change their customer policy on a whim, I guess this was the case here. So no redaction necessary. Wink


Rolling Eyes

Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:54:00 - [467]
 

Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: Pesadel0


Shut up you goonie CCP did change our alliance name in the beginning .So yes they did this before.


Was that around the same time they gave you bpos and buffed your space at your request? Sure am glad THOSE are the times you're referring to and not something that's occurred since we've moved on from your blatant abuse of the game, such as this CoW thing your corpmates have already mentioned as the precedent they were referring to.



No this was before the portrait hack,the frigates with Bm and all that .When you were still fapfapfapinng each other on SA forums ,and didnt were on eve.

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:54:00 - [468]
 

Originally by: Caius Proximus
Edited by: Caius Proximus on 25/03/2009 22:51:26
Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Caius Proximus
This is a sandbox. There's some weird **** you can pull in this game or have been able to in the past and BOB is no stranger to this. Don't be a ***** about it though when it happens to you.


Soo, goons did not care about "CCP not following policy". You really just threadnaughted to force a CCP decision so you could "pull ****" in the game against Bob?


No, once again the "threadnaught" was because CCP stepped in to go against established game mechanics, because you guys threw a petition-tantrum over them. And what do you know it turns out we were right.


Except for the part that it has occured in the past, and when you were presented with those facts you said CCP should be able to change their company policy. Remember that part? It's only 2-3 pages ago, I'm sure your memory cannot really be that bad.

And 1 petition equates to a "petition-tantrum", and your thousands of "forum posts" do not constitute a threadnaught correct?

Elohllird
Funky Chill Collective
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:54:00 - [469]
 

Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: XoPhyte


According to Caius Proximus CCP can change their customer policy on a whim, I guess this was the case here. So no redaction necessary. Wink


The moderation team only follows policy when it's convenient to them, so I can understand how you could make this mistake.


Thor do you need some

[A] LOVIN
[B] A HUG
[C] A LOVIN HUG
[D] SOME BEER

?????

ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:54:00 - [470]
 

Originally by: Vincent Gaines


Do you remember back when goons had that nice overlay that gave instant intel about any person in local? you know the one before CCP got it? had a nice pic of ****** in place of Remedial?


wait, that's not going against game mechanics, right?


That's an in-game feature today if I recall correctly. Sadly bpo spawning and such don't seem to be. I wonder why that could be?

Kryztal
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:54:00 - [471]
 

Weak, ccp again shows that pathetic whining controls their decision making. Favortism ? Yeah CCP favor those who ***** and moan enough.

Weak, very weak.

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:55:00 - [472]
 

Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 25/03/2009 22:55:55
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: Vincent Gaines


Do you remember back when goons had that nice overlay that gave instant intel about any person in local? you know the one before CCP got it? had a nice pic of ****** in place of Remedial?


wait, that's not going against game mechanics, right?


That's an in-game feature today if I recall correctly. Sadly bpo spawning and such don't seem to be. I wonder why that could be?




and modifying the eve client is ok now? or is that only because goons did it.


oh, I forgot about having cargo holds full of BMs.

ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:56:00 - [473]
 

Originally by: Pesadel0


No this was before the portrait hack,the frigates with Bm and all that .When you were still fapfapfapinng each other on SA forums ,and didnt were on eve.


Ah yes... the LAG HAX defense followed by gibberish. I've seen this somewhere before...

Were you in d2?

Caius Proximus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:56:00 - [474]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Caius Proximus
Edited by: Caius Proximus on 25/03/2009 22:51:26
Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Caius Proximus
This is a sandbox. There's some weird **** you can pull in this game or have been able to in the past and BOB is no stranger to this. Don't be a ***** about it though when it happens to you.


Soo, goons did not care about "CCP not following policy". You really just threadnaughted to force a CCP decision so you could "pull ****" in the game against Bob?


No, once again the "threadnaught" was because CCP stepped in to go against established game mechanics, because you guys threw a petition-tantrum over them. And what do you know it turns out we were right.


Except for the part that it has occured in the past, and when you were presented with those facts you said CCP should be able to change their company policy. Remember that part? It's only 2-3 pages ago, I'm sure your memory cannot really be that bad.


Are you honestly arguing that a company has to use every customer service decision they've made in the past, no matter how dumb, as some sort of a legally binding rule.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:56:00 - [475]
 

Originally by: ThorTheGreat
[
That's an in-game feature today if I recall correctly. Sadly bpo spawning and such don't seem to be. I wonder why that could be?

So cheating isn't cheating if it later becomes a feature?

Poopsock Alarmclock
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:57:00 - [476]
 

Originally by: Vincent Gaines

and do you know the specifics as to why it was reimbursed, or are you going by what others have said? Apparently if it's on the net, it's true.


first rule of GIA

is don't talk about GIA

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:57:00 - [477]
 

Originally by: Caius Proximus

Are you honestly arguing that a company has to use every customer service decision they've made in the past, no matter how dumb, as some sort of a legally binding rule.

No, not at all.
That is the arguement you guys were making.

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:58:00 - [478]
 

Originally by: Avon
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
[
That's an in-game feature today if I recall correctly. Sadly bpo spawning and such don't seem to be. I wonder why that could be?

So cheating isn't cheating if it later becomes a feature?



apparently.

you see, if they don't get caught, it's not cheating.

I remember earlier in the other thread how goons never, NEVER go against game mechanics.


except when they posted the portrait hack on eve files by mistake. oops.

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:58:00 - [479]
 

Edited by: XoPhyte on 25/03/2009 22:59:26
Originally by: Caius Proximus
Are you honestly arguing that a company has to use every customer service decision they've made in the past, no matter how dumb, as some sort of a legally binding rule.


Lol, so you are saying that it is dumb because "goons don't like it so they threadnaught the forums and threaten to quit if they don't get their way, they don't care what the policy states".

I like it! Very Happy

Actually congratulations are in order. You don't control our game, but you sure as heck control CCP's. Shocked

Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:58:00 - [480]
 

This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.

Regards,
The EVE Online Moderation team


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