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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:35:00 - [421]
 

Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: XoPhyte


I also keep looking for the unbug capital ship arrays, or the reimburse dreadnaught button. But darn it to all I just cannot locate them. Perhaps CCP should just remove the "petition" button instead?


Look over next to the "Only reimbursed titan ever" button. I don't have one of those, but you seem to.



how many reimbursed MSs? carriers? dreads?

how many capships total do you think have been returned? i'd wager somewhere in the hundreds at least.

and do you know the specifics as to why it was reimbursed, or are you going by what others have said? Apparently if it's on the net, it's true.

Elohllird
Funky Chill Collective
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:36:00 - [422]
 

Cant we all just go down the pub and have a drink, we might find some ladies...

just sayin

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:36:00 - [423]
 

Originally by: Caius Proximus
Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Caius Proximus
Uh, no, the "moral outrage" was over CCP stepping in to alter things that were in contradiction to game mechanics. You wanted that to be the customer policy, but I guess it wasn't since lmao back to anime alliance


I've been looking for that "change alliance name" button that you are refering to, since we are talking about "game mechanics". Sadly I cannot find it, could you kindly point me in the right direction?

Thx in advance!


You can disband your alliance and make a new one and if you've been wardecced then make a holding corp and create a new one using that. Yes it will cost you something unlike petitioning for a change but that is the entire point.


Or we can follow previous similar precedent and request the name to be changed, but we didn't account for the "change policy whenever they want to" deal that goons want to push but "only when it works in goons favor".

I can't find that in the players guide anywhere either... I must be really bad at finding this stuff.

ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:38:00 - [424]
 

Originally by: Avon
Originally by: ThorTheGreat

Look over next to the "Only reimbursed titan ever" button. I don't have one of those, but you seem to.

I thought you guys came here to slurp our tears?
This is all too easy.


We already have them. We also have your name and your space. Now I'm watching you place hash marks on your self-conceived "Forum Victory" scoreboard as it's pretty much the only thing you can pretend to have going for you.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:38:00 - [425]
 

Originally by: elohllird
Cant we all just go down the pub and have a drink, we might find some ladies...

just sayin


I'm up for it, but I'm not sure my wife will approve.
And we both know she'll kick my arse for doing it, and your arse for suggesting it.







Haaaaannng on ... that might be worth staying in for....

Caius Proximus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:38:00 - [426]
 

Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Caius Proximus


I don't think "anyone in the same position" would have petitioned to get their name back like a bunch of *****es when they knew they lost it legit (and if you want to trump out precedent then the current precedent is Lotka Volterra and not Cult of War).

For example when we were getting remote doomsdayed left and right, we didn't petition to get the titans banned in case the remote doomsdays happened to be a bug in the game mechanics. We took it and in the meantime campaigned to get the mechanic changed by pointing out how ridiculous it was, and eventually it was fixed. Nothing from that was retro-actively replaced by CCP.


LV dissolved, it was not done by the actions of a largely-inactive director who did it on a whim.


and your example of not petitioning a remote DD- which was an intentional feature, i.e. placed in the game to do that... don't compare it to what boils down to an overlooked loophole in alliance security.


I used it as an example of how you should have handled this situation. Also I'm pretty sure CCP has gone on record for saying that the extent to which remote doomsdays were abused was something that they had not foreseen. Whereas your assumption that what happened here was some "overlooked loophole" is still completely baseless. Even if it had been though, the way to go about it would be to man up and try to get it changed instead of crying to CCP to get its effects changed retro-actively.

Elohllird
Funky Chill Collective
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:38:00 - [427]
 

Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: ThorTheGreat

Look over next to the "Only reimbursed titan ever" button. I don't have one of those, but you seem to.

I thought you guys came here to slurp our tears?
This is all too easy.


We already have them. We also have your name and your space. Now I'm watching you place hash marks on your self-conceived "Forum Victory" scoreboard as it's pretty much the only thing you can pretend to have going for you.


Mate to the pub now.....

come on

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:39:00 - [428]
 

Originally by: Lizhia Birath


If they joined the alt alliance trying to score any kind of advantage over creating a new alliance they kinda forfeit the right to have their old name back since it would been a "hand of god" act by ccp to lessen the damage of a well executed plan that stuck entirely to the current in game mechanics and was not regarded as a 'sploit.


You say this first as someone looking in hindsight, second as someone never in that situation.

Quote:
Had they created a new alliance and then gotten the name back nothing would have changed but the name, getting a advantage and getting their name back wouldve been wrong.
If ccp would have had clear policies about these things that stated that goon bob-corp was indeed wrong bob would have been able to have had their new allaince and old name back at once, had they created a new alliance and the policies being fuzzy as they are bob would have had their new alliance and perhaps their old name back(Wouldve taken longer but the endresult would have been the same and fair)

In my opinion thou


however, changing from Kenzuko to BoBr was only a name, and a dumber one at that. This whole dramafest was completely unnecessary, when you look at it. Nothing has changed at all but a name, ken still has sov 3. so all this whining was for absolutely nothing except that ex-bob has a less idiotic name now.

And, had they lost all sov and had CCP give them BoB back, I can ASSURE you that the threadnaughts would have been going strong.

Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:39:00 - [429]
 

Edited by: Momoha on 25/03/2009 22:39:16
Originally by: Avon


I'm up for it, but I'm not sure my wife will approve.
And we both know she'll kick my arse for doing it, and your arse for suggesting it.




Haaaaannng on ... that might be worth staying in for....


Hey guys MY WIFE

ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:39:00 - [430]
 

Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: XoPhyte


I also keep looking for the unbug capital ship arrays, or the reimburse dreadnaught button. But darn it to all I just cannot locate them. Perhaps CCP should just remove the "petition" button instead?


Look over next to the "Only reimbursed titan ever" button. I don't have one of those, but you seem to.



how many reimbursed MSs? carriers? dreads?

how many capships total do you think have been returned? i'd wager somewhere in the hundreds at least.

and do you know the specifics as to why it was reimbursed, or are you going by what others have said? Apparently if it's on the net, it's true.


Zero to my knowledge. I don't really care why it was reimbursed. I didn't say a thing about the cause. Nor did the person I was responding to. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't you.

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:39:00 - [431]
 

Originally by: ThorTheGreat

We already have them. We also have your name and your space. Now I'm watching you place hash marks on your self-conceived "Forum Victory" scoreboard as it's pretty much the only thing you can pretend to have going for you.


Haha, you must be new to goons. Yes, it is us, Bob, who threadnaught the forums in an obvious "forum wars" attempt. Very Happy

Caius Proximus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:40:00 - [432]
 

Edited by: Caius Proximus on 25/03/2009 22:41:37
^^^
If you think that was a threadnaught I guess you didn't see the real one that happened the last time BOB got caught currying favors from CCP.

Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Caius Proximus
Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Caius Proximus
Uh, no, the "moral outrage" was over CCP stepping in to alter things that were in contradiction to game mechanics. You wanted that to be the customer policy, but I guess it wasn't since lmao back to anime alliance


I've been looking for that "change alliance name" button that you are refering to, since we are talking about "game mechanics". Sadly I cannot find it, could you kindly point me in the right direction?

Thx in advance!


You can disband your alliance and make a new one and if you've been wardecced then make a holding corp and create a new one using that. Yes it will cost you something unlike petitioning for a change but that is the entire point.


Or we can follow previous similar precedent and request the name to be changed, but we didn't account for the "change policy whenever they want to" deal that goons want to push but "only when it works in goons favor".

I can't find that in the players guide anywhere either... I must be really bad at finding this stuff.


This is a sandbox. There's some weird **** you can pull in this game or have been able to in the past and BOB is no stranger to this. Don't be a ***** about it though when it happens to you.

ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:41:00 - [433]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte


Or we can follow previous similar precedent and request the name to be changed, but we didn't account for the "change policy whenever they want to" deal that goons want to push but "only when it works in goons favor".

I can't find that in the players guide anywhere either... I must be really bad at finding this stuff.


There was no similar precedent. You can repeat it all day long, but that will not make it true. No alliance has ever before been disbanded in this fashion. CoW is the only other one I am aware of to have had their name changed and they had to reform to do so. I also believe THAT was the wrong thing to do. This "precedent" you are referring to is actually the long history of CCP refusal to change alliance names.

Deal with it.

RedSplat
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:41:00 - [434]
 

Beaver rolled off the tongue much smoother than Kenny.

Oh well, Eggs and Omelettes.

What say you Kenzoku?

What, the Goons are big meanies!?! Shocked

Elohllird
Funky Chill Collective
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:41:00 - [435]
 

/me goes off to pub by himself

bastards

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:42:00 - [436]
 

Originally by: Caius Proximus
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Caius Proximus


I don't think "anyone in the same position" would have petitioned to get their name back like a bunch of *****es when they knew they lost it legit (and if you want to trump out precedent then the current precedent is Lotka Volterra and not Cult of War).

For example when we were getting remote doomsdayed left and right, we didn't petition to get the titans banned in case the remote doomsdays happened to be a bug in the game mechanics. We took it and in the meantime campaigned to get the mechanic changed by pointing out how ridiculous it was, and eventually it was fixed. Nothing from that was retro-actively replaced by CCP.


LV dissolved, it was not done by the actions of a largely-inactive director who did it on a whim.


and your example of not petitioning a remote DD- which was an intentional feature, i.e. placed in the game to do that... don't compare it to what boils down to an overlooked loophole in alliance security.


I used it as an example of how you should have handled this situation. Also I'm pretty sure CCP has gone on record for saying that the extent to which remote doomsdays were abused was something that they had not foreseen. Whereas your assumption that what happened here was some "overlooked loophole" is still completely baseless. Even if it had been though, the way to go about it would be to man up and try to get it changed instead of crying to CCP to get its effects changed retro-actively.



wait, are you saying these past few days was not a bunch of crying? I can go back to the old thread and see countless accusations of devhax, cheating (c'mon, yelling "you're a cheater!" is something I did in elementary school), and just whining... even with the thread in the Assembly Hall, goons couldn't resist posting more crap in CAOD, sarcastically crying about it in horrible parody threads.


by the way, parody threads started on OT. OT > SA

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:43:00 - [437]
 

Edited by: Avon on 25/03/2009 22:43:45
Edited by: Avon on 25/03/2009 22:43:09
Originally by: Momoha
Edited by: Momoha on 25/03/2009 22:39:16
Originally by: Avon


I'm up for it, but I'm not sure my wife will approve.
And we both know she'll kick my arse for doing it, and your arse for suggesting it.




Haaaaannng on ... that might be worth staying in for....


Hey guys MY WIFE

Surprising as it may seem, sometimes adults use the interweb, and sometimes when a boy adult and a girl adult like each other very much they get married.


Although, to be fair, mostly I did it for tax reasons. Unfortunately only a month later the married couple's tax allowance was scrapped.
Pfft. Rolling Eyes


ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:43:00 - [438]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: ThorTheGreat

We already have them. We also have your name and your space. Now I'm watching you place hash marks on your self-conceived "Forum Victory" scoreboard as it's pretty much the only thing you can pretend to have going for you.


Haha, you must be new to goons. Yes, it is us, Bob, who threadnaught the forums in an obvious "forum wars" attempt. Very Happy


Read the post I was responding to. The context is there. I know it's hard, but forethought doesn't seem to be your guy's forte so I'll be unsubtle.

Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:43:00 - [439]
 

Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: XoPhyte


Or we can follow previous similar precedent and request the name to be changed, but we didn't account for the "change policy whenever they want to" deal that goons want to push but "only when it works in goons favor".

I can't find that in the players guide anywhere either... I must be really bad at finding this stuff.


There was no similar precedent. You can repeat it all day long, but that will not make it true. No alliance has ever before been disbanded in this fashion. CoW is the only other one I am aware of to have had their name changed and they had to reform to do so. I also believe THAT was the wrong thing to do. This "precedent" you are referring to is actually the long history of CCP refusal to change alliance names.

Deal with it.


Shut up you goonie CCP did change our alliance name in the beginning .So yes they did this before.

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:43:00 - [440]
 

Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: XoPhyte


Or we can follow previous similar precedent and request the name to be changed, but we didn't account for the "change policy whenever they want to" deal that goons want to push but "only when it works in goons favor".

I can't find that in the players guide anywhere either... I must be really bad at finding this stuff.


There was no similar precedent. You can repeat it all day long, but that will not make it true. No alliance has ever before been disbanded in this fashion. CoW is the only other one I am aware of to have had their name changed and they had to reform to do so. I also believe THAT was the wrong thing to do. This "precedent" you are referring to is actually the long history of CCP refusal to change alliance names.

Deal with it.



so it's only ok if YOU agree with it.

gotcha.

Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:43:00 - [441]
 

Originally by: Vincent Gaines
wait, are you saying these past few days was not a bunch of crying? I can go back to the old thread and see countless accusations of devhax, cheating (c'mon, yelling "you're a cheater!" is something I did in elementary school), and just whining... even with the thread in the Assembly Hall, goons couldn't resist posting more crap in CAOD, sarcastically crying about it in horrible parody threads.


by the way, parody threads started on OT. OT > SA


I like how you snuck in that witty snipe at SA. Clever.

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:44:00 - [442]
 

Originally by: Momoha



I like how you snuck in that witty snipe at SA. Clever.



I couldn't resist, even though I haven't been to OT in a long time.

Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:45:00 - [443]
 

Originally by: Vincent Gaines


I couldn't resist, even though I haven't been to OT in a long time.


I used to frequent OT back in 1998. I'm naturally that much more hardcore than you are.

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:45:00 - [444]
 

Originally by: Caius Proximus
This is a sandbox. There's some weird **** you can pull in this game or have been able to in the past and BOB is no stranger to this. Don't be a ***** about it though when it happens to you.


Soo, goons did not care about "CCP not following policy". You really just threadnaughted to force a CCP decision so you could "pull ****" in the game against Bob?

Thanks for the headsup. Btw, you seem to be confused. I could care less about the name, I said several times that CCP should follow their policies and get it right the first time. Nice to see you confirming the threadnaught was ridiculous though. Wink

ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:46:00 - [445]
 

Originally by: Pesadel0


Shut up you goonie CCP did change our alliance name in the beginning .So yes they did this before.


Was that around the same time they gave you bpos and buffed your space at your request? Sure am glad THOSE are the times you're referring to and not something that's occurred since we've moved on from your blatant abuse of the game, such as this CoW thing your corpmates have already mentioned as the precedent they were referring to.

Giganticus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:47:00 - [446]
 

Band of Brothers: Reverted

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:47:00 - [447]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte
Nice to see you confirming the threadnaught was ridiculous though. Wink

Much like our alliance name, right?
Wink

Corban Mah
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:47:00 - [448]
 

Edited by: Corban Mah on 25/03/2009 22:47:31
Do you know whats the difference between Blizzard and CCP?
If 2% of the playerbase would cry on the WoW forums, blizzard would say "well gtfo, we don't care, because the majority of the playerbase doesn't care and doesn't even post on the forums, so why should we change something?"

And CCP is like "Omg Goonswarm is whining on the forums, quick let's make some ridicoulus explanations on why we did something and then let's remove the change with an even worse explanation"

CCP fails and looks pretty unprofessional.


ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:47:00 - [449]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Caius Proximus
This is a sandbox. There's some weird **** you can pull in this game or have been able to in the past and BOB is no stranger to this. Don't be a ***** about it though when it happens to you.


Soo, goons did not care about "CCP not following policy". You really just threadnaughted to force a CCP decision so you could "pull ****" in the game against Bob?

Thanks for the headsup. Btw, you seem to be confused. I could care less about the name, I said several times that CCP should follow their policies and get it right the first time. Nice to see you confirming the threadnaught was ridiculous though. Wink


If they were following the precedent... a term you seem to love, in this thread your post would be redacted as we're not allowed to discuss whether or not this was a threadnaught anymore.

Mr M
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:47:00 - [450]
 

Originally by: Momoha
I can see why you're a social reject now. Thanks for the confirmation.

Oh no! A goon thinks I'm a social reject? You guys really do try to take down the server through irony today don't you?


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