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Jack Gates
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:09:00 - [361]
 

Edited by: Jack Gates on 25/03/2009 22:09:37
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 25/03/2009 22:05:18
Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
I'm sure they just want "Band of Brothers" back.


I'm sure they just want to have their CCP dev friends help them cheat.


yeah you're about 3 years too late for that insult.


There were many incidents of dev favoritism, not just t20, so whenever something like this comes up, however long ago t20 happened, it still kind of strikes a chord with people who have been playing for a while.

Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:10:00 - [362]
 

Edited by: Momoha on 25/03/2009 22:11:25
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
They've been the most level headed over this, at least publicly here on e-o, while goons have just spammed nonsense over CAOD and now these crying threadnaughts.

keep working on that though.


Aww, how cute. I can hear just how mad you are over those pubbie tears.

Natasha Donnan
Caldari
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:11:00 - [363]
 

This change has become depressingly familiar in recent days. A very poor two months investigation and suddenly a **** decision turned around in 48 hours. Honestly CCP shame on you. I have seen some ****ty decisions but this has to be the worst combination of failure in a game in MMO history.

That takes some doing.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:11:00 - [364]
 

Originally by: Caius Proximus

From that name it sounds like something that happened several years ago.

I can think of at least one, more recent, case where the opposite ruling was made (Lotka Volterra), so I think it's more likely that CCP has just tightened their policy of interference in matters like this. If you can just play your alliance fee "whenever" what the hell is the point of having one?

Is this an argument in favour of allowing CCP to change their mind and not be forced to act on prior precedent?

Just wow.

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:12:00 - [365]
 

Originally by: Vincent Gaines

There were many incidents of dev favoritism, not just t20, so whenever something like this comes up, however long ago t20 happened, it still kind of strikes a chord with people who have been playing for a while.


Yep, and on all sides with virtually all large alliances. However goonswarm seem to be one of the few that wants to keep harping on only 1 point, a point that did occur over 3 years ago. It's like the girlfriend that complains about "that one night" 5 years ago, and can never move past it.

I just think it is funny tbh that GS want to compare this to the T20 event tbh.

Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:12:00 - [366]
 

Originally by: Natasha Donnan
This change has become depressingly familiar in recent days. A very poor two months investigation and suddenly a **** decision turned around in 48 hours. Honestly CCP shame on you. I have seen some ****ty decisions but this has to be the worst combination of failure in a game in MMO history.

That takes some doing.


What's up, BoB pet? How's Delve going for ya?

Lizhia Birath
Minmatar
AzTra Logistics
QUAFE Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:12:00 - [367]
 

Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Sir Marksalot


Oh please. you're saying you'd rather be a beaver? At least now you're a bad ass anime. Japanese is cool, right?



I'm sure they just want "Band of Brothers" back.


Then this issue would have been about renaming the goon corp band of brothers and let ex.bob creat a new alliance and not about them joining an excisting alliance and having the name of that alliance changed.

And since ccp seem to have said no on the renaming goonswarms bob corp for whatever reason, non that has been given yet, bob is free to creat a alliance named whatever they want. Simple as that. If they had been thinking ahead they would have created that alliance from the start, "just in case" coz coming a few months later saying "Guys, we really thought we couldnt lose this thus we didnt prepare for it, so we should get a free namechange to something else insead." does not float.

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:13:00 - [368]
 

Originally by: Jack Gates
Edited by: Jack Gates on 25/03/2009 22:09:37
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 25/03/2009 22:05:18
Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
I'm sure they just want "Band of Brothers" back.


I'm sure they just want to have their CCP dev friends help them cheat.


yeah you're about 3 years too late for that insult.


There were many incidents of dev favoritism, not just t20, so whenever something like this comes up, however long ago t20 happened, it still kind of strikes a chord with people who have been playing for a while.


I have, been playing for several years.

I understand the outrage from the T20 incident, I was here when it happened. I was here when the LV scandal happened.

But I've also seen many other things- first even DICE is hardly the original ATUK, in fact most of BoB is no longer the same that was around when all that happened.

But hounding T20 as a constant safety net to jab at someone who is talking in a mature manner is just sad.

many goons are great to talk to or even argue with, but many just act like little brats, taking the SA mentality too far.

Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:13:00 - [369]
 

Originally by: Avon

Is this an argument in favour of allowing CCP to change their mind and not be forced to act on prior precedent?

Just wow.


There is no prior precedent. Thanks.

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:14:00 - [370]
 

Originally by: Momoha
Edited by: Momoha on 25/03/2009 22:11:25
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
They've been the most level headed over this, at least publicly here on e-o, while goons have just spammed nonsense over CAOD and now these crying threadnaughts.

keep working on that though.


Aww, how cute. I can hear just how mad you are over those pubbie tears.


as you can see, I'm in the process of emoragequitting

Poopsock Alarmclock
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:15:00 - [371]
 

Originally by: SocialPolice
Originally by: Poopsock Alarmclock
Edited by: Poopsock Alarmclock on 25/03/2009 19:06:41
Congrats to GM Grimmi and CCP for making the right call after reviewing the facts.

I would also like to take this opportunity to welcome our latest addition to the Goonswarm Alliance, Band of Brothers Reloaded!




This is why i cant understand why anyone, least of all CCP, takes you seriously in any way.

Its like everyone of you is a child screaming "MY TOY" and snatching anything you can, and then throwing a tantrum when you dont get it and screaming and whining all over the boards. EVE was great without you, for a while you were amusing, then annoying, then mostly gone (which was good). Now youre just aggravating again.

Hurry up secure delve and then un-sub again, Im tired of the Goons again.


Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Poopsock Alarmclock
Edited by: Poopsock Alarmclock on 25/03/2009 19:06:41
I would also like to take this opportunity to welcome our latest addition to the Goonswarm Alliance, Band of Brothers Reloaded!



Goonswarm sure are afraid of a name! Shocked


Originally by: Atlas Oracle
Originally by: SocialPolice
This is why i cant understand why anyone, least of all CCP, takes you seriously in any way.

Its like everyone of you is a child screaming "MY TOY" and snatching anything you can, and then throwing a tantrum when you dont get it and screaming and whining all over the boards. EVE was great without you, for a while you were amusing, then annoying, then mostly gone (which was good). Now youre just aggravating again.

Hurry up secure delve and then un-sub again, Im tired of the Goons again.


well said. i agree.


Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: SocialPolice
Originally by: Poopsock Alarmclock
Edited by: Poopsock Alarmclock on 25/03/2009 19:06:41
Congrats to GM Grimmi and CCP for making the right call after reviewing the facts.

I would also like to take this opportunity to welcome our latest addition to the Goonswarm Alliance, Band of Brothers Reloaded!




I doubt ccp do take goons seriously, thankfully they do take there playerbase who felt that showing favouritism yet again to one group of players was unfair seriously, and not only that admitted there mistake and corrected it.

This is why i cant understand why anyone, least of all CCP, takes you seriously in any way.

Its like everyone of you is a child screaming "MY TOY" and snatching anything you can, and then throwing a tantrum when you dont get it and screaming and whining all over the boards. EVE was great without you, for a while you were amusing, then annoying, then mostly gone (which was good). Now youre just aggravating again.

Hurry up secure delve and then un-sub again, Im tired of the Goons again.



Originally by: Mr M
Originally by: SocialPolice
This is why i cant understand why anyone, least of all CCP, takes you seriously in any way.

Its like everyone of you is a child screaming "MY TOY" and snatching anything you can, and then throwing a tantrum when you dont get it and screaming and whining all over the boards. EVE was great without you, for a while you were amusing, then annoying, then mostly gone (which was good). Now youre just aggravating again.

Hurry up secure delve and then un-sub again, Im tired of the Goons again.

This is the truth


Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:15:00 - [372]
 

Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: Avon

Is this an argument in favour of allowing CCP to change their mind and not be forced to act on prior precedent?

Just wow.


There is no prior precedent. Thanks.


You are really struggling keeping up with the grown-ups talking, aren't you?

Caius Proximus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:15:00 - [373]
 

Edited by: Caius Proximus on 25/03/2009 22:15:59
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Caius Proximus

From that name it sounds like something that happened several years ago.

I can think of at least one, more recent, case where the opposite ruling was made (Lotka Volterra), so I think it's more likely that CCP has just tightened their policy of interference in matters like this. If you can just play your alliance fee "whenever" what the hell is the point of having one?

Is this an argument in favour of allowing CCP to change their mind and not be forced to act on prior precedent?

Just wow.


Are you nuts? Are you saying that a company can't revise their customer policy? What do you think happened after T20?

You're the one arguing that we should follow "precedent" whatever the hell that means. I just pointed out a more recent case where CCP followed the path of non-interference in favor of game mechanics.

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:15:00 - [374]
 

Originally by: Lizhia Birath
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Sir Marksalot


Oh please. you're saying you'd rather be a beaver? At least now you're a bad ass anime. Japanese is cool, right?



I'm sure they just want "Band of Brothers" back.


Then this issue would have been about renaming the goon corp band of brothers and let ex.bob creat a new alliance and not about them joining an excisting alliance and having the name of that alliance changed.

And since ccp seem to have said no on the renaming goonswarms bob corp for whatever reason, non that has been given yet, bob is free to creat a alliance named whatever they want. Simple as that. If they had been thinking ahead they would have created that alliance from the start, "just in case" coz coming a few months later saying "Guys, we really thought we couldnt lose this thus we didnt prepare for it, so we should get a free namechange to something else insead." does not float.



you're right and wrong on this


by what I can tell, they petitioned to have BoBr right after this happened, and it was only enacted yesterday.


otherwise you're correct.

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:16:00 - [375]
 

Originally by: Lizhia Birath

And since ccp seem to have said no on the renaming goonswarms bob corp for whatever reason, non that has been given yet, bob is free to creat a alliance named whatever they want. Simple as that. If they had been thinking ahead they would have created that alliance from the start, "just in case" coz coming a few months later saying "Guys, we really thought we couldnt lose this thus we didnt prepare for it, so we should get a free namechange to something else insead." does not float.


WTB an enter key...

The funny thing is, Bob (we) are not really complaining about it. Who cares, CCP changed it, then changed it back. Only thing we wish was they had got the ruling correct in the first place.

Or go with your original tinfoil thought, we thought we could bribe CCP, we were only succesful for a couple of days, and now we are loging in our goon alts to complain about it.

Btw, I'm darius's alt if you are wondering....

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:17:00 - [376]
 

Originally by: Caius Proximus

Are you nuts? Are you saying that a company can't revise their customer policy? What do you think happened after T20?

You're the one arguing that we should follow "precedent" whatever the hell that means. I just pointed out a more recent case where CCP followed the path of non-interference in favor of game mechanics.

But I stupidly thought that the whole threadnaught was about the moral outrage caused by CCP apparently revising their customer policy?

Get you, you're funny.

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:17:00 - [377]
 

Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 25/03/2009 22:17:32
Originally by: Caius Proximus


Are you nuts? Are you saying that a company can't revise their customer policy? What do you think happened after T20?

You're the one arguing that we should follow "precedent" whatever the hell that means. I just pointed out a more recent case where CCP followed the path of non-interference in favor of game mechanics.



It means basing decisions upon previous ones under similar circumstances, taking into consideration changing factors in the time between the two.

Aceoil
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:17:00 - [378]
 

This is the right decision to be made.

kennys request for a name change should be been declined the day after they sent the petition

Lizhia Birath
Minmatar
AzTra Logistics
QUAFE Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:18:00 - [379]
 

Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Lizhia Birath
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Sir Marksalot


Oh please. you're saying you'd rather be a beaver? At least now you're a bad ass anime. Japanese is cool, right?



I'm sure they just want "Band of Brothers" back.


Then this issue would have been about renaming the goon corp band of brothers and let ex.bob creat a new alliance and not about them joining an excisting alliance and having the name of that alliance changed.

And since ccp seem to have said no on the renaming goonswarms bob corp for whatever reason, non that has been given yet, bob is free to creat a alliance named whatever they want. Simple as that. If they had been thinking ahead they would have created that alliance from the start, "just in case" coz coming a few months later saying "Guys, we really thought we couldnt lose this thus we didnt prepare for it, so we should get a free namechange to something else insead." does not float.



you're right and wrong on this


by what I can tell, they petitioned to have BoBr right after this happened, and it was only enacted yesterday.


otherwise you're correct.


but BoBR was free for them to take at that time so there was no need to petition for the change. They claim they would have disbanded again on the spot and created a new alliance called BoB had they been given the chance, so if BoBR was the name they wanted and it was free they should have created the allaince just as easily.

BurntCornMuffin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:18:00 - [380]
 

Originally by: Mr M
Originally by: SocialPolice
This is why i cant understand why anyone, least of all CCP, takes you seriously in any way.

Its like everyone of you is a child screaming "MY TOY" and snatching anything you can, and then throwing a tantrum when you dont get it and screaming and whining all over the boards. EVE was great without you, for a while you were amusing, then annoying, then mostly gone (which was good). Now youre just aggravating again.

Hurry up secure delve and then un-sub again, Im tired of the Goons again.

This is the truth


I wholeheartedly agree, perhaps we should change our policy so that our main goal is to be taken completely and totally seriously by everyone in the galaxy. Oh, pardon me, there is a z0r chain in local that I must complete.

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:19:00 - [381]
 

Edited by: XoPhyte on 25/03/2009 22:19:41
Originally by: Caius Proximus
Are you nuts? Are you saying that a company can't revise their customer policy?


So you are saying that they can change their company policy, we should get our new name and the threadnaughts are ridiculous (precedence be damned essentially).

What a drastic change from 2 pages ago. Shocked

Caius Proximus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:21:00 - [382]
 

Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Caius Proximus

Are you nuts? Are you saying that a company can't revise their customer policy? What do you think happened after T20?

You're the one arguing that we should follow "precedent" whatever the hell that means. I just pointed out a more recent case where CCP followed the path of non-interference in favor of game mechanics.

But I stupidly thought that the whole threadnaught was about the moral outrage caused by CCP apparently revising their customer policy?

Get you, you're funny.


Uh, no, the "moral outrage" was over CCP stepping in to alter things that were in contradiction to game mechanics. You wanted that to be the customer policy, but I guess it wasn't since lmao back to anime alliance

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:21:00 - [383]
 

Originally by: Lizhia Birath


but BoBR was free for them to take at that time so there was no need to petition for the change. They claim they would have disbanded again on the spot and created a new alliance called BoB had they been given the chance, so if BoBR was the name they wanted and it was free they should have created the allaince just as easily.


they didn't want BoBr, they wanted BoB back.

By what I've read, they had a choice- petition it and create a new alliance, starting at sov 0, or petition it, join an alt-alliance, and start at sov 1


tactically they made the right decision, and anyone else in the same situation would have done just that.

for some reason, they didn't get BoB, they got perhaps a #2 choice? I don't know as I'm not in BoB

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:21:00 - [384]
 

Originally by: Momoha

I'd find it hard to stay in Kenny as a so-called "grown-up". Besides, don't only little middle-schoolers use that term? Very indicative of your mentality. Maybe when you turn 30 in two decades you'll find that we call them "adults".

That was easly one of the most long winded "noU" posts I have seen in a while.
Unfortunately the first sentence doesn't make too much sense, but still, good effort.

Lizhia Birath
Minmatar
AzTra Logistics
QUAFE Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:23:00 - [385]
 

Edited by: Lizhia Birath on 25/03/2009 22:24:28
Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Lizhia Birath

And since ccp seem to have said no on the renaming goonswarms bob corp for whatever reason, non that has been given yet, bob is free to creat a alliance named whatever they want. Simple as that. If they had been thinking ahead they would have created that alliance from the start, "just in case" coz coming a few months later saying "Guys, we really thought we couldnt lose this thus we didnt prepare for it, so we should get a free namechange to something else insead." does not float.


WTB an enter key...

The funny thing is, Bob (we) are not really complaining about it. Who cares, CCP changed it, then changed it back. Only thing we wish was they had got the ruling correct in the first place.

Or go with your original tinfoil thought, we thought we could bribe CCP, we were only succesful for a couple of days, and now we are loging in our goon alts to complain about it.

Btw, I'm darius's alt if you are wondering....


But avon stated you thought it was a clear cut case and thus there was no need to take any other action then to sit back and relax, well here we are and you were wrong. And here is the enter key

just

for

you.

-dbp

CrazyTom
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:23:00 - [386]
 

Originally by: Shai 'Hulud
Originally by: GM Grimmi
We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case.
Originally by: GM Grimmi
Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.
CCP,

I refuse to believe that you are this stupid. It seems that rather than actually investigating their request, you spent two months trying to find a way to bend the rules without an incident.

Better luck next time.



what is the truth ccp?

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:23:00 - [387]
 

Originally by: Caius Proximus


Uh, no, the "moral outrage" was over CCP stepping in to alter things that were in contradiction to game mechanics. You wanted that to be the customer policy, but I guess it wasn't since lmao back to anime alliance


isn't the petition system, or GMs there for issues that come in conflict with game mechanics?

mind you I'm referring to situations like this, not something like "my cat tripped over my ethernet and I DC'd thus losing my faction fit BS"

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:23:00 - [388]
 

Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Momoha

I'd find it hard to stay in Kenny as a so-called "grown-up". Besides, don't only little middle-schoolers use that term? Very indicative of your mentality. Maybe when you turn 30 in two decades you'll find that we call them "adults".

That was easly one of the most long winded "noU" posts I have seen in a while.
Unfortunately the first sentence doesn't make too much sense, but still, good effort.


My math may be a bit fuzzy here, but I'm pretty sure he just called you a 10 year old Avon! Very Happy

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:23:00 - [389]
 

Originally by: Caius Proximus

Uh, no, the "moral outrage" was over CCP stepping in to alter things that were in contradiction to game mechanics. You wanted that to be the customer policy, but I guess it wasn't since lmao back to anime alliance

There is no game mechanic for renaming, it is only a customer policy.
You are making increasingly less sense the further you backpedal.

Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:24:00 - [390]
 

Edited by: Momoha on 25/03/2009 22:24:23
Originally by: Avon

That was easly one of the most long winded "noU" posts I have seen in a while.
Unfortunately the first sentence doesn't make too much sense, but still, good effort.


Go back to 4chan, idiot. We don't want your memes around here.


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