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kiez'm Hahz
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2009.03.25 21:50:00 - [331]
 

Edited by: kiez''m Hahz on 25/03/2009 21:55:22
somethingawful.com just happened here!


edit: I'm gonna make some toast.... brb Embarassed

Vladimir Griftin
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.03.25 21:51:00 - [332]
 

Originally by: Avon
What people are overlooking is that at the time no-one knew how the situation would be resolved, or how fast.
Hindsight is 20/20, but at the time things were no-where near as clear.


Really the biggest mistake was assuming there was anything to resolve. In everyone else's eyes it was a perfectly executed piece of treachery using in game mechanics.

You have to admit, the war dec thing was like icing on a cake.

Khlitouris RegusII
Posted - 2009.03.25 21:52:00 - [333]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte
Edited by: XoPhyte on 25/03/2009 21:43:48
Originally by: Talzaris
Contacting GM's to get them to help you is for when something in their game bugs out and extraordinary measures are needed to rectify it. Not when you just don't feel like following the proper in-game methods of playing.




So I guess the same should be said if you request your ship to be reimbursed?

Or how about capital ship arrays? Hmmm. I guess goonswarm has issued petitions for things to be changed as well...

Let me find those threadnaughts that we started where we call you cheaters.... Darn, can't find any. Rolling Eyes

Since we should be responsible for enforcing the rules, can I get on the CCP payroll please?

Also I love how a petition is "contacting the gm's" Very Happy Don't you guys get tired of the tinfoil?


a petition is contacting the gm's every petition ive put in has been answered by a gm anyway.

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 21:53:00 - [334]
 

Originally by: Caius Proximus

The fact that you guys seem to treat petitioning as a game mechanic is pretty illuminating.



Huh? Corp names, character names, alliance names are petitioned all the time. So it's up to us to know and enforce all of these name change rules?

Again, where can I sign up to get on the CCP payroll since apparently I have a lot more responsibility in this game than I had previously thought...

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 21:54:00 - [335]
 

Edited by: XoPhyte on 25/03/2009 21:55:22
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII

a petition is contacting the gm's every petition ive put in has been answered by a gm anyway.


Correct, which a legitimate mechanism. Quite a bit different then the "BOB cheated" threadnaught that is going on atm don't you think and that we "contacted the GM's". No, we simply submited a petition on the same day that the name was taken. It took 2 months for CCP to "investigate" and change the name and then 48 hours to "re-investigate" and overturn that decision.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.25 21:55:00 - [336]
 

Originally by: Vladimir Griftin

Really the biggest mistake was assuming there was anything to resolve.

Precedent indicated otherwise about the name.
Or are you saying rules shouldn't be applied equally and fairly?
I thought that was what the whole feigned offence thread was about in the first place?

Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 21:56:00 - [337]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte

Correct, which a legitimate mechanism. Quite a bit different then the "BOB cheated" threadnaught that is going on atm don't you think?


Oh, so you're not objecting to the fact that you cheated? Thanks for clarifying. All you care about is if the goonies look like the evil bastard they are, right?

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 21:57:00 - [338]
 

Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Vladimir Griftin

Really the biggest mistake was assuming there was anything to resolve.

Precedent indicated otherwise about the name.
Or are you saying rules shouldn't be applied equally and fairly?
I thought that was what the whole feigned offence thread was about in the first place?


stop making sense.

Caius Proximus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 21:58:00 - [339]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Caius Proximus

The fact that you guys seem to treat petitioning as a game mechanic is pretty illuminating.



Huh? Corp names, character names, alliance names are petitioned all the time. So it's up to us to know and enforce all of these name change rules?

Again, where can I sign up to get on the CCP payroll since apparently I have a lot more responsibility in this game than I had previously thought...


You didn't make a new alliance because you couldn't because you had been wardecced and you knew that at the time. Instead of following the game mechanics and creating a new holding corp, you petitioned to CCP, hoping to cut some corners.

Do you think it's okay for players to petition to CCP to skirt game mechanics when they know that they're doing so?

Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 21:58:00 - [340]
 

Edited by: Momoha on 25/03/2009 22:00:30
Edited by: Momoha on 25/03/2009 22:00:13
Originally by: Avon

Precedent indicated otherwise about the name.
Or are you saying rules shouldn't be applied equally and fairly?
I thought that was what the whole feigned offence thread was about in the first place?


What precedent? No incident like this has ever occurred, which is why CCP jumping the gun and giving you the benefit of the doubt was the wrong course of action. You can see this reflected in the reversal.

Quaristice
Posted - 2009.03.25 21:59:00 - [341]
 

This is pretty nuts. I cant believe CCP actually went back and reversed it. 3 cheers for fairness!!!

Sihirbaz
Amarr
Posted - 2009.03.25 21:59:00 - [342]
 

So, it took you 2 months to come to a decision on this complicated(it's just a name-change request ffs?) case. And, you forgot to check the creation date of the alliance in question....

This just proves that either you are not good enough to be in charge of such investigations or you are lying...Either way, I hope you won't be in charge of such investigations again.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:00:00 - [343]
 

Originally by: Momoha


What precedent? No incident like this has ever occurred, which is why CCP jumping the gun and giving you the benefit of the doubt was the wrong course of action. You can see this reflected in the reversal.


Jumping the gun usually indicates acting too soon.
This whole thing came about because they took so long.
Just sayin'

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:01:00 - [344]
 

Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 25/03/2009 22:02:19
Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: Avon

Precedent indicated otherwise about the name.
Or are you saying rules shouldn't be applied equally and fairly?
I thought that was what the whole feigned offence thread was about in the first place?


What precedent? No incident like this has ever occurred, which is why CCP jumping the gun and giving you the benefit of the doubt was the wrong course of action. You can see this reflected in the reversal.

yes, it did.

CoW had it done, as was stated several times already.

CoW got their name back, same circumstances with an enemy nabbing the name, only it was because CoW forgot to pay a bill

Sir Marksalot
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:02:00 - [345]
 

Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Momoha


What precedent? No incident like this has ever occurred, which is why CCP jumping the gun and giving you the benefit of the doubt was the wrong course of action. You can see this reflected in the reversal.


Jumping the gun usually indicates acting too soon.
This whole thing came about because they took so long.
Just sayin'


Oh please. you're saying you'd rather be a beaver? At least now you're a bad ass anime. Japanese is cool, right?

XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:02:00 - [346]
 

Edited by: XoPhyte on 25/03/2009 22:06:48
Edited by: XoPhyte on 25/03/2009 22:03:44
Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: XoPhyte

Correct, which a legitimate mechanism. Quite a bit different then the "BOB cheated" threadnaught that is going on atm don't you think?


Oh, so you're not objecting to the fact that you cheated? Thanks for clarifying. All you care about is if the goonies look like the evil bastard they are, right?


Bolded and underlined for you. Seems like I have to do that for quite a bit of you goonies.

But yes, we cheated by changing our name by requesting the change through in game mechanisms following previous precedent set by CCP in changing the name for COW.

Hopefully this brings much needed closure in your life. I see how we cheated there and I personally apologize. /sarcasm

Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:03:00 - [347]
 

Originally by: Avon
Jumping the gun usually indicates acting too soon.
This whole thing came about because they took so long.
Just sayin'


Thanks buddy. This has no relevance to the situation at hand. Again, what precedent was CCP enforcing with the original decision that was later reversed? I bet you can't answer this.

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:03:00 - [348]
 

Originally by: Sir Marksalot


Oh please. you're saying you'd rather be a beaver? At least now you're a bad ass anime. Japanese is cool, right?



I'm sure they just want "Band of Brothers" back.

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:04:00 - [349]
 

Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 25/03/2009 22:04:23
Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: Avon
Jumping the gun usually indicates acting too soon.
This whole thing came about because they took so long.
Just sayin'


Thanks buddy. This has no relevance to the situation at hand. Again, what precedent was CCP enforcing with the original decision that was later reversed? I bet you can't answer this.

ah clever. original decision.


Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:04:00 - [350]
 

Originally by: Vincent Gaines
I'm sure they just want "Band of Brothers" back.


I'm sure they just want to have their CCP dev friends help them cheat.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:04:00 - [351]
 

Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: Avon
Jumping the gun usually indicates acting too soon.
This whole thing came about because they took so long.
Just sayin'


Thanks buddy. This has no relevance to the situation at hand. Again, what precedent was CCP enforcing with the original decision that was later reversed? I bet you can't answer this.


You should wait for the large print version of this thread.
It will have a maze at the back too.


Maybe a little colouring in section in the middle if you are really lucky.

Wouldn't that be fun?

Garathyal
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:05:00 - [352]
 

Originally by: Orree
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
dear god, sad to see goons can pressure ccp into everything they want like this.
clearly showes that if you spam enough on the forums you get your will



Nevermind what was done was wrong and reversing it was the correct thing to do, right?

C'mon, man...think about it.

I have no doubt that some of the people who had a problem with it did or said what they did out of spite, but there were a good number of people who were appalled at the action as being on contravention of the rules related to name changes (mainly that they simply rarely, if ever, allow them). The action that was taken circumvented game mechanics.

If Kenny wanted a new alliance name, all they had to do was pay the billion, form the alliance and have their corps join it...just like everyone else.

The number of Goon postings on the subject really has no bearing on the matter at hand other than perhaps being annoying.




You seem rational and honest but yet you and your alliance are propping Goons up in game and here. How can anyone trust your integrity or anything you have to say?

The bob people are being honest - at the time what else would you do? Don't buy goon propaganda and build the new Bob - MM have a better name that that.

Seriously mate - MM seemed a decent force in game and have a name - playing with a bunch of griefing whiners who like to spin things is pulling you down.

Honestly take a serious look at yourselves. You are embroiled in the middle of it all and Goons are laughing at you all.

Poopsock Alarmclock
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:05:00 - [353]
 

Originally by: XoPhyte
Don't you guys get tired of the tinfoil?


haargoth sure did

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:05:00 - [354]
 

Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 25/03/2009 22:05:18
Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
I'm sure they just want "Band of Brothers" back.


I'm sure they just want to have their CCP dev friends help them cheat.


yeah you're about 3 years too late for that insult.

Jack Gates
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:05:00 - [355]
 

We didn't want that alliance name anyway.

Oh boy, we're BoB again!

We didn't wan that alliance name anyway.

Mr M
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:06:00 - [356]
 

Originally by: SocialPolice
This is why i cant understand why anyone, least of all CCP, takes you seriously in any way.

Its like everyone of you is a child screaming "MY TOY" and snatching anything you can, and then throwing a tantrum when you dont get it and screaming and whining all over the boards. EVE was great without you, for a while you were amusing, then annoying, then mostly gone (which was good). Now youre just aggravating again.

Hurry up secure delve and then un-sub again, Im tired of the Goons again.

This is the truth

Momoha
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:06:00 - [357]
 

Edited by: Momoha on 25/03/2009 22:05:53
Originally by: Avon


You should wait for the large print version of this thread.
It will have a maze at the back too.


Maybe a little colouring in section in the middle if you are really lucky.

Wouldn't that be fun?


I can see why Kenny is so awful at propaganda now.

Jack Gates
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:07:00 - [358]
 

Originally by: Garathyal
Originally by: Orree
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
dear god, sad to see goons can pressure ccp into everything they want like this.
clearly showes that if you spam enough on the forums you get your will



Nevermind what was done was wrong and reversing it was the correct thing to do, right?

C'mon, man...think about it.

I have no doubt that some of the people who had a problem with it did or said what they did out of spite, but there were a good number of people who were appalled at the action as being on contravention of the rules related to name changes (mainly that they simply rarely, if ever, allow them). The action that was taken circumvented game mechanics.

If Kenny wanted a new alliance name, all they had to do was pay the billion, form the alliance and have their corps join it...just like everyone else.

The number of Goon postings on the subject really has no bearing on the matter at hand other than perhaps being annoying.




You seem rational and honest but yet you and your alliance are propping Goons up in game and here. How can anyone trust your integrity or anything you have to say?

The bob people are being honest - at the time what else would you do? Don't buy goon propaganda and build the new Bob - MM have a better name that that.

Seriously mate - MM seemed a decent force in game and have a name - playing with a bunch of griefing whiners who like to spin things is pulling you down.

Honestly take a serious look at yourselves. You are embroiled in the middle of it all and Goons are laughing at you all.


You haven't been playing this game for very long, have you.

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:08:00 - [359]
 

Originally by: Momoha


I can see why Kenny is so awful at propaganda now.



They've been the most level headed over this, at least publicly here on e-o, while goons have just spammed nonsense over CAOD and now these crying threadnaughts.

keep working on that though.

Caius Proximus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.25 22:09:00 - [360]
 

Edited by: Caius Proximus on 25/03/2009 22:11:40
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 25/03/2009 22:02:19
Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: Avon

Precedent indicated otherwise about the name.
Or are you saying rules shouldn't be applied equally and fairly?
I thought that was what the whole feigned offence thread was about in the first place?


What precedent? No incident like this has ever occurred, which is why CCP jumping the gun and giving you the benefit of the doubt was the wrong course of action. You can see this reflected in the reversal.

yes, it did.

CoW had it done, as was stated several times already.

CoW got their name back, same circumstances with an enemy nabbing the name, only it was because CoW forgot to pay a bill


From that name it sounds like something that happened several years ago.

I can think of at least one, more recent, case where the opposite ruling was made (Lotka Volterra), so I think it's more likely that CCP has just tightened their policy of interference in matters like this. If you can just pay your alliance fee "whenever" what the hell is the point of having one?


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