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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:00:00 - [1171]
 

Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 24/03/2009 13:59:57
Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 24/03/2009 13:59:40
I find it kinda funny there are people supporting this, but also supporting CCP allowing a Titan in Amarr.

So...

rules?

Thimerion
BOAE INC
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:00:00 - [1172]
 


Farina Larros
The Exploited.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:01:00 - [1173]
 


Cal Hydar
Advocates of Sin
Gentlemen's Club
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:01:00 - [1174]
 

I hate Goons, but seriously CCP? Just rename the game to BOB Online already...

PS - What ****es me off the most is the lack of an explanation. Grow a pair, face your community, and explain your actions.

Lin Bao
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:01:00 - [1175]
 

Originally by: Vincent Gaines

it's a name

little ASCII characters that mean absolutely nothing in terms of the game.



actually they mean quite a bit. the reason bob chose kenzoku was because they could get sov1 back immediately. if they really wanted to be Bob reloaded so much they should have made that alliance and faced the consequences: no immediate sov and the advantages that came with it

now they get to change their name without paying alliance fee, without losing the remaining sov they have...obviously it does have in-game effects

Zyxphoni
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:02:00 - [1176]
 

I support this

Donatien de'Sade
Red Federation
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:02:00 - [1177]
 

Why is it that CCP are singularly incapable of appreciating that consistently showing extreme bias towards one group within their game reflects poorly on them as individuals and as a company. The pathetic defence for their various actions - re-writing the rules, censorship and whitewashing are galling.

Now, if I was in .BoB., I would be laughing (as their members are on the forums). This level of direct company support, and blatant support at that, is simply unheard of.

And if I was a goon, I would be laughing (at the CCP given opportunity to lampoon both bob and its CCP members)

Restricting debate to caod (cesspool) and a miss-named thread in assembly, combined with an utterly trite statement from Grimmi and Mitnal in his over-zealous locking, shows that damage control is already in full swing. I noticed that Wrangler could not quite contain his joy at goon tears Twisted Evil

One day, after EvE as been and gone, I would hope that the Devs would list all their characters in game, sadly I expect some would be so controversial, they could not bring themselves to reveal them all.. Neutral


All jolly good fun really .. Very Happyugh

Couldbe Acrackhead
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:03:00 - [1178]
 

Originally by: Vincent Gaines
allowing a Titan in Amarr.




what? proof or stfu?

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:03:00 - [1179]
 

Originally by: Lin Bao
Originally by: Vincent Gaines

it's a name

little ASCII characters that mean absolutely nothing in terms of the game.



actually they mean quite a bit. the reason bob chose kenzoku was because they could get sov1 back immediately. if they really wanted to be Bob reloaded so much they should have made that alliance and faced the consequences: no immediate sov and the advantages that came with it

now they get to change their name without paying alliance fee, without losing the remaining sov they have...obviously it does have in-game effects


The entire alliance was changed, it's not as if kenny was replaced by beaver, it's still just a name change.

the thing is, that when you look down at it all... it's. just. a. name.

Janitor II
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:04:00 - [1180]
 

I don't know but I sense nothing will change. Also I am sorry CSM Team, but I think your hands are tied for such thing.

Wondering how long it will take to CCP provide us players true transparency. Sad
Bring this news to BBC and show the world how connected CCP and BOB are. I am pretty sure it would be nice if BBC post another news like "CCP broke it's own rules and helped BOB to reborn".

I don't care if it's done before, but it was not transparent to players.

Discussing ...

Melechesh
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:04:00 - [1181]
 


Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:05:00 - [1182]
 

Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 24/03/2009 14:06:03
Originally by: Couldbe Acrackhead
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
allowing a Titan in Amarr.




what? proof or stfu?


Three threads down or so.

The same people moaning about CCP favorism at "breaking a rule" support having Chribba moving his Titan to Amarr, thus "breaking a rule"


so u

George Clinton
Mothership Connection Inc.
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:05:00 - [1183]
 

they should have to disband if they want a new name, this is complete bull****

Cefte
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:06:00 - [1184]
 

Quote:
KenZoku was not an alliance created after BoB was disbanded. And, the name choice of "Kenzoku" was certainly not due to the unavailability of the name "Band of Brothers". It was an industrial-alt alliance used by Reikoku.

Alliance creation date: 2008.12.08 23:42

Ex-BoB corps joined Kenzoku to get sov back asap. CCP says that the petition for name change came when BoB was disbanded, which means the name change petition dates almost 3 months after the creation of Kenzoku alliance. 3 months is not a petition made within a reasonable timeframe. GM's logic fails, just the way CCP does once again by favoring BoB and interpreting the rules for BoB's benefit.

Break Stuff
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:06:00 - [1185]
 


Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:06:00 - [1186]
 

Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk

Grown up people live by rules created by other people. So actually it's more then logical that we protest here, when some people somehow are allowed to live by a different set of rules then us, where we all apperently accepted the same eula and thus the rules created by ccp to play this game.

Kicking bob's arse isn't what this is about at all, if i kick bobr, kenny or bob, it's the players that i like to fight against, so i don't really care that they changed the name, but it annoys me that ccp once again, favors the same alliance which they have favored in the past, to allow something where other alliances had to disband and pay another bil to get their name right.

I mean why have rules in this game, when the company that created them doesn't even live by them.


Real grown ups don't have rules, real grown ups also don't believe in rights, santa clause or the tooth fairy.

Not that it matters but on what do you base a claim of favoritism?

CCP has renamed alliances before, and they'll do it again in the future on a case-by-case basis.

So yeah, feel free to call the WAAAAAAAAAmbulance just don't expect anything to change.

Personally I still say the "reloaded" name is dumb and Kenzoku was better, they basically got downgraded to a crappier name.


Uhm i'm not sure in which country you live, but here in the Netherlands we have something called laws and people here also have certain rights, maybe you support some anarchy party, but i still believe i have to live by certain laws and i also have certain rights, you know the right to vote is one of those.

CCP as far as i know have only renamed alliances that had an offensive name, other alliances like i said before had to disband and be recreated. Kenzoku is as far as i know not offensive at all, since it means something like family or something, so i don't see why they get their name changed for free.

And favoritism, i think t20 is the best example about a ccp's employee's favoritism towards an alliance. I'm not saying everyone in ccp support bob, at least i surely hope not, or favor bob, but there are still certain ppl apparently that think it's ok to bend the rules created by ccp.

Excello
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:06:00 - [1187]
 

Does CCP report to any external authority with regards to how they conduct business?

Hiro Vongola
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:07:00 - [1188]
 

GMs i think you guys have forgotten to write this somewhere in the EULA :
"All the crap written above doesn't work for Band of Brothersİ, Band of Brothers Reloadedİ, Kenzokuİ, Band of Brothers Revengeİ[...]"
If you have done that you wouldn't try to find some crappy reasons to justify what you just have done.

Just to remember a few things:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424
Quote:
As you might have read and heard, there were recently some allegations posted regarding developer misconduct that basically come down to:

* Developers helping (an) alliance(s) gain information they otherwise would not have.
* Developers having an unfair advantage of game mechanics.
* Developers helping themselves acquire goods in-game by means of in-house tools, otherwise not available to regular players.


* Developers having an unfair advantage of game mechanics.
Go tell the new and old players, Stian Empire that 1 billion isn't "an unfair advantage of game mechanics" and i'm not talking about players' time and energy they put to set an alliance even if it's all about a rename

Point of view of a new player.

You just fail

Tuttomenui I
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:09:00 - [1189]
 

I had my corperation name changed through petition long before this. I accidently misspelled the name i wanted and I petitioned it within minutes of creating the corperation, and it was changed by a GM within 30minutes.

So I do not support this.

Karezan
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:09:00 - [1190]
 

Originally by: Yonker
Originally by: Karezan
Well, this is a different situation in the sense that they did lose all sov, and they did pay 1b for a new alliance. It's just that they didn't do the disbanding, someone else did, and they didn't change to the alliance with the name they wanted, but a temp one that has now been renamed to what they wanted.

I can agree that this is a messy situation, but CCP felt it was justified, and I doubt this decision was simply made because it's BoB. If you feel CCP is still biased, and after all the past outcries still favors BoB more than anyone else, then pretty much all you can do is quit. Complaining like this while you keep paying/playing doesn't help that much. If I am to believe the accusations, it certainly didn't help in the past (since BoB is still CCP's favorite apparently, despite all past incidents).

If I never showed up for work, but got paid every month anyway, with the only downside being that my boss calls me once a month to let me know he's not very happy with me not showing up, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be too concerned about showing up any time soon. :P


Why did they use a temp alliance and not create a new one with the correct name? Because it would have taken time, time spent not gaining Sov in systems. So they quickly jump in this temp alliance to circumvent the delay... then petition CCP to change their name to what they wanted in the first place.

"I don't like my name" has never been a valid reason for CCP to change any Player, Corp or Alliance name. Hell, there are Alliances with valid reasons to have their name changed that have had their petitions denied since the game was released. (i.e. an Alliance with 2 spaces in their name, which causes all kinds of problems)

There are mechanics in place to allow for a name change. They have consequences that everyone else in the game has to deal with... except Kenzoku.

:ccp:


Which is probably the exact reason why the rename was allowed. They had to emergency reform in a (now proven to be pointless) attempt to start regaining sov right away. They did not have adequate time to pick a new name for their alliance, and ended up being allowed a rename because of this (or at least I believe this to be the thought process behind it).

I'm guessing the key thing here is that they did lose all sov and pay 1b when BoB was disbanded. They requested this change at the time, and it took 2 months for GM's to decide. They just didn't form under the new name they wanted, because they didn't have time to. Yes it's still an exception to the rules, but they did suffer the downsides (paying another 1b and losing all sov), even if they never planned for it. I'm guessing that's where the 2 month comment comes from, the loss of sov was 2 months ago (at the time of the petition), and the decision was only made now.

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:09:00 - [1191]
 

Originally by: Tuttomenui I
I had my corperation name changed through petition long before this. I accidently misspelled the name i wanted and I petitioned it within minutes of creating the corperation, and it was changed by a GM within 30minutes.

So I do not support this.


no, you must be a BoB alt

Karezan
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:10:00 - [1192]
 

Originally by: Cal Hydar
I hate Goons, but seriously CCP? Just rename the game to BOB Online already...

PS - What ****es me off the most is the lack of an explanation. Grow a pair, face your community, and explain your actions.


Actually the explanation is there now, go read it. :P

Lag Generator
GoonWaffe
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:10:00 - [1193]
 

I don't care what that alliance call themselves, but this is not fair.

Nobody's gotten their name or their corporation's name changed before, it says so in CCP's rules that they can't. If Kenzoku wanted to reform as BOBR, they had to have dropped the alliance and reformed.

Not to mention Kenzoku was an existing alliance separate from BoB before BoB was disbanded, so there's no reason why they should've gotten the name of BoB(R) in the first place.

Lin Bao
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:10:00 - [1194]
 

Edited by: Lin Bao on 24/03/2009 14:11:13
Originally by: Vincent Gaines


The entire alliance was changed, it's not as if kenny was replaced by beaver, it's still just a name change.

the thing is, that when you look down at it all... it's. just. a. name.


a. name. which. has. effects. in. game. with. respect. to. sovereignity.

if they cared about their identity so much they should've created bob reloaded in the first place, they didn't and chose to use the alt alliance kenzoku which made sense strategically for sov reasons. they chose sov over 'identity', it was their decision

now they're getting preferential treatment to change their name on a whim that no other alliance has ever gotten, keeping their remaining sov while being allowed to change their name. it is absolute bull****

Excello
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:10:00 - [1195]
 

Originally by: Cefte
Quote:
KenZoku was not an alliance created after BoB was disbanded. And, the name choice of "Kenzoku" was certainly not due to the unavailability of the name "Band of Brothers". It was an industrial-alt alliance used by Reikoku.

Alliance creation date: 2008.12.08 23:42

Ex-BoB corps joined Kenzoku to get sov back asap. CCP says that the petition for name change came when BoB was disbanded, which means the name change petition dates almost 3 months after the creation of Kenzoku alliance. 3 months is not a petition made within a reasonable timeframe. GM's logic fails, just the way CCP does once again by favoring BoB and interpreting the rules for BoB's benefit.




This is spot on, CCP claim that the name was filed for a change before the disband of BoB. However Kenzoku alliance was made 3 months before BoB was destroyed. So please clarify this one. BoB corps joined Kenzoku to regain Sov. Not to get away from a name, Their Kenzoku alliance still has Origional corps in this alliance due to it being a pet project.

Yonker
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:11:00 - [1196]
 

Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 24/03/2009 14:06:03
Originally by: Couldbe Acrackhead
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
allowing a Titan in Amarr.




what? proof or stfu?


Three threads down or so.

The same people moaning about CCP favorism at "breaking a rule" support having Chribba moving his Titan to Amarr, thus "breaking a rule"


so u


Jesus, pubbies are stupid.

Chribba has a Titan in Amarr space because it was created before the mechanic to keep them out was implemented. There are no 'Rules' that say "Don't bring a supercap into Empire" there are just mechanics that make it impossible currently.

(Hint: If there was a rule that said no supercaps in Empire, CCP could just move it.)

Hypan
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:11:00 - [1197]
 

Originally by: Tuttomenui I
I had my corperation name changed through petition long before this. I accidently misspelled the name i wanted and I petitioned it within minutes of creating the corperation, and it was changed by a GM within 30minutes.

So I do not support this.

ok so 30mins isnt 3 months. is that your point?

bitters much
Nekkid Inc.

Posted - 2009.03.24 14:11:00 - [1198]
 

I got my name changed too but only after I got my previous name nerfed.

Free Lube Myholes Embarassed


Gruff MacGruff
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:11:00 - [1199]
 


Cal Hydar
Advocates of Sin
Gentlemen's Club
Posted - 2009.03.24 14:12:00 - [1200]
 

Originally by: Karezan
Originally by: Cal Hydar
I hate Goons, but seriously CCP? Just rename the game to BOB Online already...

PS - What ****es me off the most is the lack of an explanation. Grow a pair, face your community, and explain your actions.


Actually the explanation is there now, go read it. :P


Just did and I am changing my support. The explanation makes sense.


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