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Instrument Dealer
Posted - 2009.03.18 18:51:00 - [31]
 

Ok i'm wrong found a wormhole that is consistent with your theory, dang.

Kinda eliminates some of the adventourus nature when you have an idea of what you're getting into before you do anything though ...


Balph Eubank
Posted - 2009.03.18 18:58:00 - [32]
 

The only evidence I have to add to this is that I was in an unknown system where the wormhole collapsed and no new wormholes appeared to get back out. There were 11 Signatures in the system and I scanned down all of them. All were Gravimetric mining or Ladar cloud sites and none were Wormholes.

I know how to use the scanner. One big scanner bubble showed there were only 11 Signatures. I had found them all. I even moved it up to 64 AU away to see if I was missing a signature way out is space, away from the solar system (even though they all seemed to be within 2AU of the solar plane) This lasted for over a day and no new signatures. No way out.

A bug? does someone have to scan a wormhole in before the signature appears on my side? If a bug, perhaps this demonstrates something about the creation process of the wormhhole process.

Miss Moonwych
Formedian Shadows
Posted - 2009.03.18 19:04:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 18/03/2009 19:04:42
Originally by: Balph Eubank
The only evidence I have to add to this is that I was in an unknown system where the wormhole collapsed and no new wormholes appeared to get back out. There were 11 Signatures in the system and I scanned down all of them. All were Gravimetric mining or Ladar cloud sites and none were Wormholes.

I know how to use the scanner. One big scanner bubble showed there were only 11 Signatures. I had found them all. I even moved it up to 64 AU away to see if I was missing a signature way out is space, away from the solar system (even though they all seemed to be within 2AU of the solar plane) This lasted for over a day and no new signatures. No way out.

A bug? does someone have to scan a wormhole in before the signature appears on my side? If a bug, perhaps this demonstrates something about the creation process of the wormhhole process.

What happened on Sisi was that a Wh in w-space collapsed while the other end (I believe it was high sec) didn't. In the end the person in the w-system had to self-destruct (or was moved by a dev not sure anymore). And when I went to the WH in k-space myself it was still there but not jumpable. At the moment things were still quite buggy on Sisi and the server was being overloaded so we attributed it to those factors. But I wonder if the same happened to you.

Do you know what happened to the other side of that WH?

Regards,

M.M.

Induc
Amarr
Posted - 2009.03.18 19:08:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Induc on 18/03/2009 19:09:15
Quote:

This is exactly how I envisioned it. It's very similar to the phenomenon of being the first person to enter a system after downtime. Until a system is entered, it is not "turned on".

That sounds possible.
I once logged of inside a wh and when I tried to login a few hours later I first got something close to this:
"Character selection failed - node/server/system not loaded"
Was able to get in on my 2nd attempt, and the system seemed very empty.

Forte Hauler
Posted - 2009.03.18 19:10:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Balph Eubank
... This lasted for over a day and no new signatures. No way out.

A bug? does someone have to scan a wormhole in before the signature appears on my side? If a bug, perhaps this demonstrates something about the creation process of the wormhhole process.


Hi Ya...

I was wondering about this as well...over the weekend we were able to scan down wormholes all over the place, but have yet to find one for the past couple of days and your question prompted me to ask this:

Do Wormholes only spawn around the solar plane and orbiting gates, or will they also spawn in "deep space" a ways out from the star on any part of the grid? I was just wondering because I found three different wormhole over about 12hour period that all spawned in pretty much same place in the system and all were going to or coming out of different systems which means the previous ones had already collapsed and a new one had taken it's place in relatively the same spot...but now nothing in those same spots. I don't mind having to scan down deep space in a system if there is a WH payoff at the end of it...but I also don't want to waste our time if WHs are only going to spawn closer to the system's star(s).

L8r,
Forte Hauler

Yalezorn
Gallente
Posted - 2009.03.18 20:05:00 - [36]
 

There was a thread on the general forums about this with a Dev reply clarifying some things, if anyone cares to find the link.

Basically there will always be a wormhole open in w-space, you either didn't find it or it was bugged.

Also, the 4au limit no longer applies, there is still a limit but it's bigger now.

Lyvanna Kitaen
Minmatar
Noonday Sun Corp
Posted - 2009.03.18 22:23:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Cameron Freerunner
I'm not sure yet whether more than one WH can exist in a W space system at the same time. If not, then it would also indicate that your original WH has collapsed.


A w-system can have multiple wormholes active at the same time. I've seen systems with 3, (entrance WH + 2 exits) and I'm sure more are probably possible.

BTW I've seen 4 wormholes active in a hi-sec system that I probed the other night.


Anopheli
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
Posted - 2009.03.18 22:28:00 - [38]
 

My understanding is that both ends of the wormhole spawn simultaneously. This comes from Sisi experience, but I doubt this mechanic has changed on TQ. My reasons for this are basically the following:

SiSi starts up. I log on, load up my scan ship and decide to find some wormholes.
Several systems later, (with the obligatory node not loaded messages), I've yet to find anything. No signatures, not even anomalies. There is much griping in the Singularity channel.
Approx 45-60 minutes after startup, someone with GM privs (forgot to take down the name, could've been CCP or an ECAID relaying) says that sites should be spawning.
At this point, I'm in Lamadent, in Sinq Laison. I am the only one here, and the only one who has been here for since the node loaded to let me in.
I scan down the wormhole, and it's a K162.

Basically what seems to be happening is that the server is deciding what exploration content to spawn within a system. It does so according to some criteria that aren't really known. If it decides to create a wormhole, it spawns it, and places the K162 'other end' wormhole in an appropriate system.


Anopheli
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
Posted - 2009.03.18 22:29:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Lyvanna Kitaen
Originally by: Cameron Freerunner
I'm not sure yet whether more than one WH can exist in a W space system at the same time. If not, then it would also indicate that your original WH has collapsed.


A w-system can have multiple wormholes active at the same time. I've seen systems with 3, (entrance WH + 2 exits) and I'm sure more are probably possible.

BTW I've seen 4 wormholes active in a hi-sec system that I probed the other night.



The highest I've seen is a W-space system with two wormholes to K-space and two to other W-space systems, for a total of four. The only real restriction that seems to exist is that a W-space system must have one wormhole in it at all times.

Aryen Striker
Posted - 2009.03.19 00:25:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Aryen Striker on 19/03/2009 00:28:24
Edited by: Aryen Striker on 19/03/2009 00:25:42
This is from personal experience ...

Fleet Setup

3 x Coverts (Rigged) with all with Sister Expanded Probe Launchers and Sister Deep Space / Core Probes.

(All skills at level 5)

1) jumped into system (Dangerous) and appeared at Wormhole (K162)

2) Several minutes later Wormhole Collapses.

3) All Cosmic Signatures Scanned and not a single Wormhole found.

4) Downtime

5) Wormhole found on Basic Scan as "unknown" with 3-5 mins.

All I can say is "in my experience there was no wormhole" until downtime ..

That was 3 x 8 Probes on a small system and nothing was found.

This has happened to me twice in the two Dangerous systems I have visted and not in the normal Unknown.

Am I losing the plot ;-)

Telete
Posted - 2009.03.19 00:28:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Aniel Zaar
K162 is not a wild card. It is a wormhole that is spawned after someone goes through a wormhole. If you find a wormhole and it's not K162, the one on the other end will be K162. If you scanned down K162, it means someone already scanned the wormhole on the other end and went through it, spawning the K162 that you found.


pff.. just when I thought I figured it all about wormholes Crying or Very sad

Anopheli
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
Posted - 2009.03.19 00:29:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Aryen Striker
Edited by: Aryen Striker on 19/03/2009 00:25:42

All I can say is "in my experience there was no wormhole" until downtime ..

That was 3 x 8 Probes on a small system and nothing was found.

This has happened to me twice in Dangerous systems only.


Aryen, has this happened sense the last mini patch? As there was supposedly an issue where wormholes were not immediately respawning in some systems after one collapsed. Supposedly it's fixed now.

Aryen Striker
Posted - 2009.03.19 00:32:00 - [43]
 

Quote:
Aryen, has this happened sense the last mini patch? As there was supposedly an issue where wormholes were not immediately respawning in some systems after one collapsed. Supposedly it's fixed now.


It happened last night (Tuesday 22:00 GMT Onwards) and I found the wormhole / left system today within 5 mins after DT.

I have only noticed this in "Dangerous" Systems

Oracle Jo
Epsilon Lyr
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.03.19 02:16:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Anopheli
My understanding is that both ends of the wormhole spawn simultaneously. This comes from Sisi experience, but I doubt this mechanic has changed on TQ. My reasons for this are basically the following:

SiSi starts up. I log on, load up my scan ship and decide to find some wormholes.
Several systems later, (with the obligatory node not loaded messages), I've yet to find anything. No signatures, not even anomalies. There is much griping in the Singularity channel.
Approx 45-60 minutes after startup, someone with GM privs (forgot to take down the name, could've been CCP or an ECAID relaying) says that sites should be spawning.
At this point, I'm in Lamadent, in Sinq Laison. I am the only one here, and the only one who has been here for since the node loaded to let me in.
I scan down the wormhole, and it's a K162.

Basically what seems to be happening is that the server is deciding what exploration content to spawn within a system. It does so according to some criteria that aren't really known. If it decides to create a wormhole, it spawns it, and places the K162 'other end' wormhole in an appropriate system.




it could be because the wormhole was 'linked' before the downtime...

Anyway this tread is gold. thanks

ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
Posted - 2009.03.19 03:22:00 - [45]
 

if u get stuck always carry deep space probes put em over every planet at 16au then go down to 4au by process of elimation. They can show u site types u can narrow down the sig - unknown ( wormholes in wspace only) also ded and drone combat in k space.

Pull out the cores and away u go. If u get stuck petiton it and if the devs reply there is a wh there then there is if not they will most likley move u out

Kulmid
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.03.19 03:27:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: ollobrains2
if u get stuck always carry deep space probes put em over every planet at 16au then go down to 4au by process of elimation. They can show u site types u can narrow down the sig - unknown ( wormholes in wspace only) also ded and drone combat in k space.



My deep space probes don't tell me what kind of signatures there are...?

Am I missing something?

Miss Moonwych
Formedian Shadows
Posted - 2009.03.19 04:42:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Anopheli
Originally by: Lyvanna Kitaen
Originally by: Cameron Freerunner
I'm not sure yet whether more than one WH can exist in a W space system at the same time. If not, then it would also indicate that your original WH has collapsed.


A w-system can have multiple wormholes active at the same time. I've seen systems with 3, (entrance WH + 2 exits) and I'm sure more are probably possible.

BTW I've seen 4 wormholes active in a hi-sec system that I probed the other night.



The highest I've seen is a W-space system with two wormholes to K-space and two to other W-space systems, for a total of four. The only real restriction that seems to exist is that a W-space system must have one wormhole in it at all times.

Yesterday I was in a W-system that also had 4 WHs. All of them to k-space. One to high-sec, two to lo-sec and one to null-sec. It was a normal unknown (a X702 to be exact).

Regards,

M.M.

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2009.03.19 04:55:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Miss Moonwych

Yesterday I was in a W-system that also had 4 WHs. All of them to k-space. One to high-sec, two to lo-sec and one to null-sec. It was a normal unknown (a X702 to be exact).


Would I be correct in assuming that, from the inside, they were all named K162 except for the high-sec one (or perhaps even all of them)?

Kulmid
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.03.19 05:45:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Wet Ferret

Would I be correct in assuming that, from the inside, they were all named K162 except for the high-sec one (or perhaps even all of them)?


They would only all be named K162 if someone had already probed that wormhole from the other side and jumped through to the w-space system. If he was, on the other hand, the first one to probe all of those wormholes, they would be given names that correspond to High Sec, Low Sec, and Null Sec. They would all be named K162 on the other side.

Miss Moonwych
Formedian Shadows
Posted - 2009.03.19 05:55:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 19/03/2009 05:57:08

I made some notes.

This was J114627, a normal unknown, class 3 (X702)

Wormholes and their names on either side:

- WH in high sec named X702, named K162 in W-system
- WH in low sec named X702, named K162 in W-system
- WH in low sec named K162, named U210 in W-system (low sec system was Asakai, 0.3, Black Rise)
- WH in null sec probably named X702 (didn't go there), named K162 in W-system

Regards,

M.M.

Cameron Freerunner
Posted - 2009.03.19 06:22:00 - [51]
 

Curiouser and curiouser. So it's possible to have NO exits? I wonder if there is a per day limit on WHs in a W space system. Or if its completely and utterly random. That might mean you would go extended periods without an exit.

Does anyone know if the WHs in W space always lead to other systems in the same cluster (clusters being the groups of W systems shown on the map)? If so, it should be possible to map the clusters fairly easily by referring to the map and using some puzzle-solving skills (Games magazine anyone?). If not, OMG that would be incredibly complicated.

Finally, I have entered most wormholes from Minmatar space. So far, when I've exited from W space through some other wormhole into hisec space, its been Ammar and Ammatar Mandate. Is anyone finding a correlation between your race or system entry point and the exit WH? Or is it just complete coincidence?

Kulmid
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.03.19 06:48:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Cameron Freerunner
Curiouser and curiouser. So it's possible to have NO exits? I wonder if there is a per day limit on WHs in a W space system. Or if its completely and utterly random. That might mean you would go extended periods without an exit.

Does anyone know if the WHs in W space always lead to other systems in the same cluster (clusters being the groups of W systems shown on the map)? If so, it should be possible to map the clusters fairly easily by referring to the map and using some puzzle-solving skills (Games magazine anyone?). If not, OMG that would be incredibly complicated.

Finally, I have entered most wormholes from Minmatar space. So far, when I've exited from W space through some other wormhole into hisec space, its been Ammar and Ammatar Mandate. Is anyone finding a correlation between your race or system entry point and the exit WH? Or is it just complete coincidence?


I'd say that is just coincidence. We first entered a wormhole system in from Minmatar space and found our way into another wormhole system. Then found an exit into Amarr Space. We stayed in that second unknown system since the day of the patch until today. At first most of our exits to known space went to Amarr Space. Then we had them near Jita for a while, a few near Gallente, then a few near Minmatar. It seems like where the wormhole will exit is random, but does have cycles of areas they seem to exit.

Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.03.19 09:38:00 - [53]
 

A dev is crying in the corner of the CCP office right now. It seems very much like this map has pretty much worked out the way wormholes work and how they are clasified as being dangarous or not.

So far the description of the OP seems to be spot on, all I can say is poor little dev he/she must be having a bad day today.

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2009.03.19 09:57:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Wet Ferret on 19/03/2009 10:02:30
Edited by: Wet Ferret on 19/03/2009 10:00:53
Originally by: Kulmid
Originally by: Wet Ferret

Would I be correct in assuming that, from the inside, they were all named K162 except for the high-sec one (or perhaps even all of them)?


They would only all be named K162 if someone had already probed that wormhole from the other side and jumped through to the w-space system. If he was, on the other hand, the first one to probe all of those wormholes, they would be given names that correspond to High Sec, Low Sec, and Null Sec. They would all be named K162 on the other side.



That's just speculation, isn't it?

We don't really know that the K162 isn't spawned until someone jumps through it. Do we?

What I mean is, "destination system" could mean something entirely different. Like perhaps the WH spawned from the non-K162 side for a specific reason.

edit2- Apparently I was right about 3/4 of the WHs in that system being K162s. The reason I was thinking that sounded stupid when trying to put into words, though. Probably just a coincidence.

Antara Oblique
Posted - 2009.03.19 10:52:00 - [55]
 

Well, I liked the K162 theory until tonight.

I probed a WH named D382. Jumped through. The name on the other side was Z971.

From my findings I don't think anybody had ever been inside. Otherwise I think they would have ran the 15 BS spawn cosmic anomolies we found. Not to meantion mined the 6 ladar sites.

Best of my finding so far!! Very Happy

Nisstyree
Endstati0n
Ev0ke
Posted - 2009.03.19 10:53:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Instrument Dealer
First of all you're reading the map wrong in no way would class 6 (deadly destination) jump to class 7 (high sec destination). Class 1 is in the center therefore is a "core" site therefore hardest and this has been said before. Class 6 is easiest

And it says what K162 is at the top so ...


You sir are reading it wrong... I can confirm first hand that a class 6 WH (deadly) connected to a class 7 (highsec) and thanks to that we got our loot and fleet home easely.

Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
Posted - 2009.03.19 12:33:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Antara Oblique
I probed a WH named D382. Jumped through. The name on the other side was Z971.


So the K162 theory is falsified! I heard the same (both ends of WH were NOT K162) from another person. But it seems to be very rare and raises the question even more what the "special" WH code K162 wants to tell us. I can't see a reason anymore at the moment why this K162 special code exists at all and why not every WH has "normal" codes on both ends.

Kulmid
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.03.19 12:57:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Kulmid on 19/03/2009 12:57:34
Originally by: Kolmogorow
Originally by: Antara Oblique
I probed a WH named D382. Jumped through. The name on the other side was Z971.


So the K162 theory is falsified! I heard the same (both ends of WH were NOT K162) from another person. But it seems to be very rare and raises the question even more what the "special" WH code K162 wants to tell us. I can't see a reason anymore at the moment why this K162 special code exists at all and why not every WH has "normal" codes on both ends.



While I understands what I am about to say sounds absolutely ridiculous. It sounds like when you jump through the other side becomes K162. But if its probed before someone jumps through, it is given a real name.

Basically my theory now is:

When a wormhole is created, it has 2 sides, linking two systems. On the grid where the wormholes are there is no actual wormhole, just placeholders. When you probe the wormhole and load the grid, it is spawned and assigned a name which corresponds to the system on the other side. If you jump through, and force the wormhole on the other side to be spawned by you jumping through, it is assigned K162. If you warp away without jumping through, and someone probes the wormhole in the other system. They will spawn that wormhole by loading the grid, and not jumping through. This wormhole will now be assigned a name corresponding to its destination system. If that second pilot now jumps through, because the wormhole on the other side has already been spawned, it will not be assigned the name K162, and keeps the name it has.

Sorry for the wall of text, I hope it makes sense.


Edit: Clarified a few words.

Nisstyree
Endstati0n
Ev0ke
Posted - 2009.03.19 13:12:00 - [59]
 

No, once the WH is spawned and names are assigned they no longer change.

Kulmid
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.03.19 13:14:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Nisstyree
No, once the WH is spawned and names are assigned they no longer change.


If you are replying to my post, I must have explained it poorly, as my theory supports this statement.


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