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Mo adib
Amarr
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2009.03.19 00:04:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 00:06:02
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mo adib

Also of a side note, that post is made by one alt of Jake Noble(lol apparently ccp dont ban all alt posters) who was a former high ranking member in band of brothers and still influential liason to BOB and AAA, so my point in raising the post was that it was infact a GBC post and the irony of them losing their name so recently after such a disgusting attempt and metagaming is a hilarious event of the highest order.


Like I said I don't care who made that post. I'm opposed to squatting on other people's unique entity names regardless of who thinks to do it and who they attempt to do it to. Irony or not, it represents a diminishing of the unique player history of Eve online and I think it just isn't on.

As for goonswarm paying 1b and registering the alliance name I'd still oppose that. (or anybody else doing this).

The only way I think it would be reasonable for goonswarm to get control of the Band of Brothers name is if they managed to subvert enough ceos/directors of alliance and literally kick out everyone else. (This would be pretty damned difficult of course but that hasn't stopped other people managing it in the past).

The snap disband / immediate registration of a corp to block the alliance reforming was a cheap trick whichever way you cut it and its the main reason why this delve campaign is not something that impresses the general population of the server much.

As already pointed out in this thread - ISD news reading "oh yeah we got a guy to click alliance disband and registered another corp name to steal the identity and basically won" - isn't newsworthy or good copy.



you mean kind of like kicking out all the corps in bob by coercing exactly enough of the high ranking leadership in the alliance to accomplish the task which btw was determined by the type of security bob had and the access they granted to certain members.

what is newsworthy is the betrayal of one of the dominant alliances of the game by one of their higher ups and the destruction of said alliance, or maybe the loss of said alliances entire section of space that had been one of the areas of space in the longest consectuive ownership by a single entity. Or maybe we could even make it newsworthy that said alliance under new name had their entire capital fleet and a number of titan and mothership class vessels trapped in one system for an entire month, I mean surely if undocking said fleet and jumping out of system was newsworthy, then why would it not be newsworthy to report on the fleet being trapped there in the first place, or nay of the previous breakout attempts that ended in utter failure.

Pesadel0
Minmatar
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2009.03.19 00:08:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Mo adib
Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 00:06:02
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mo adib

Also of a side note, that post is made by one alt of Jake Noble(lol apparently ccp dont ban all alt posters) who was a former high ranking member in band of brothers and still influential liason to BOB and AAA, so my point in raising the post was that it was infact a GBC post and the irony of them losing their name so recently after such a disgusting attempt and metagaming is a hilarious event of the highest order.


Like I said I don't care who made that post. I'm opposed to squatting on other people's unique entity names regardless of who thinks to do it and who they attempt to do it to. Irony or not, it represents a diminishing of the unique player history of Eve online and I think it just isn't on.

As for goonswarm paying 1b and registering the alliance name I'd still oppose that. (or anybody else doing this).

The only way I think it would be reasonable for goonswarm to get control of the Band of Brothers name is if they managed to subvert enough ceos/directors of alliance and literally kick out everyone else. (This would be pretty damned difficult of course but that hasn't stopped other people managing it in the past).

The snap disband / immediate registration of a corp to block the alliance reforming was a cheap trick whichever way you cut it and its the main reason why this delve campaign is not something that impresses the general population of the server much.

As already pointed out in this thread - ISD news reading "oh yeah we got a guy to click alliance disband and registered another corp name to steal the identity and basically won" - isn't newsworthy or good copy.



you mean kind of like kicking out all the corps in bob by coercing exactly enough of the high ranking leadership in the alliance to accomplish the task which btw was determined by the type of security bob had and the access they granted to certain members.

what is newsworthy is the betrayal of one of the dominant alliances of the game by one of their higher ups and the destruction of said alliance, or maybe the loss of said alliances entire section of space that had been one of the areas of space in the longest consectuive ownership by a single entity. Or maybe we could even make it newsworthy that said alliance under new name had their entire capital fleet and a number of titan and mothership class vessels trapped in one system for an entire month, I mean surely if undocking said fleet and jumping out of system was newsworthy, then why would it not be newsworthy to report on the fleet being trapped there in the first place, or nay of the previous breakout attempts that ended in utter failure.


Well then apply to ISD and write those reports.

Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.03.19 00:53:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/03/2009 23:26:01

Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

Kenny didn't own the name, and when it was no longer in use, anyone was free to use it.


Thats a poor argument and you know it.

Why then does an alliance that forgets to pay the bill and has a 3rd party "steal" the name in the interim get to petition and recover their name down the road?

You gained the advantage the alliance disbanding allowed you in zero'ing all BOB sovereignty and allowing the conquest of Delve.

Squatting on the Band of Brothers name and using it as an alt corp CAOD spamming entity is just taking the mickey.

If it had been any other alliances than Band of Brothers and Goonswarm involved I strongly suspect this would already have been resolved and the name returned.



CCP does not protect idiots , or else then every person who got scammed should file for a full refund . Deal with it .

Pesadel0
Minmatar
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2009.03.19 00:54:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: Mo adib
Originally by: Pesadel0

I agree lets nuke everything because they werent "neutral" in your perspective .



quick redefine what I wrote so you can have amunition against it. go go go


Well i can always say that the story of your expulsion from your old alliance had more substance than our battle in 49- ,not substance,but definitely more humor.It sure was a first getting kicked from an alliance because some alts on caod mailed the leaearship that your corp were going rogue.

I can see it know the tittle :"First ever CAOD Alt corp wreaks **** in drone regions"

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.03.19 00:57:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

CCP does not protect idiots , or else then every person who got scammed should file for a full refund . Deal with it .


Then I guess its fair to say that CCP does not protect Goonswarm from being pretty poor at propaganda and failing to submit appropriate news leads either right?

Deal with it.

Mo adib
Amarr
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2009.03.19 00:58:00 - [186]
 

Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:00:12
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Mo adib
Originally by: Pesadel0

I agree lets nuke everything because they werent "neutral" in your perspective .



quick redefine what I wrote so you can have amunition against it. go go go


Well i can always say that the story of your expulsion from your old alliance had more substance than our battle in 49- ,not substance,but definitely more humor.It sure was a first getting kicked from an alliance because some alts on caod mailed the leaearship that your corp were going rogue.

I can see it know the tittle :"First ever CAOD Alt corp wreaks **** in drone regions"


In this subject we are in agreement, I also think it is damn hilarious how all that went down. Had it made the news I would have laughed harder even. The hard part about that being news however is that it is so unbelievable had it not happened to me I might not believe it :/


Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.03.19 00:59:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

CCP does not protect idiots , or else then every person who got scammed should file for a full refund . Deal with it .


Then I guess its fair to say that CCP does not protect Goonswarm from being pretty poor at propaganda and failing to submit appropriate news leads either right?

Deal with it.




Biased news reporting != Scam or game mechanics .

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:01:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Biased news reporting != Scam or game mechanics .


Whats biased about following up good leads but not following up bad leads?

You guys are very quick to whine about things when something goes against you. Is it so hard to believe that you are simply worse at propaganda news than your opponents?

Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:06:00 - [189]
 

You do know that aurora or what not had bobbits , right ? So what makes em bias proof .

Mo adib
Amarr
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:13:00 - [190]
 

Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:18:16
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Biased news reporting != Scam or game mechanics .


Whats biased about following up good leads but not following up bad leads?

You guys are very quick to whine about things when something goes against you. Is it so hard to believe that you are simply worse at propaganda news than your opponents?



worst = not exploiting a neutral(Fair and Balanced CCP regulated news reporting group

[confirmed]

damn goonies havent sunk low enough yet jade needs you lower.

edit: fixed

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:15:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
You do know that aurora or what not had bobbits , right ? So what makes em bias proof .


And I know that CCP told us that goons had more volunteers devs gms and whatnot than bob had. Random rabble rabble is not proof.

And I also know how the in-game news process works having managed to get Star Fraction in the news more times than goons and their allies have done so far Cool

Its not sorcery and its not rocket-science. It does take the ability to click "submit news lead" and provide the seed of the story, opportunity for journalism and suggestions for other participants to interview so the reporter can present a balanced case.

ISD don't like canned narratives or closed conclusions. Maybe thats where you are going wrong?

Mo adib
Amarr
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:22:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
You do know that aurora or what not had bobbits , right ? So what makes em bias proof .


And I know that CCP told us that goons had more volunteers devs gms and whatnot than bob had. Random rabble rabble is not proof.

And I also know how the in-game news process works having managed to get Star Fraction in the news more times than goons and their allies have done so far Cool

Its not sorcery and its not rocket-science. It does take the ability to click "submit news lead" and provide the seed of the story, opportunity for journalism and suggestions for other participants to interview so the reporter can present a balanced case.

ISD don't like canned narratives or closed conclusions. Maybe thats where you are going wrong?

So that is where Blazde went wrong on page 5 of this thread.... try again, keep the excuse mil running maybe eventually you will draw one up that cant be easily countered in 20 seconds of browsing the very thread you are posting in.


isqander
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:22:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

And I know that CCP told us that goons had more volunteers devs gms and whatnot than bob had. Random rabble rabble is not proof.

And I also know how the in-game news process works having managed to get Star Fraction in the news more times than goons and their allies have done so far



They said that after mass-censorship failed and the same post said they were creating some mysterious internal affairs department which was never heard from again until it was supposedly disbanded. "CCP told us" is not proof. And the fact that whatever corp you run gets any attention is proof that the current system is broken.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:25:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: isqander
And the fact that whatever corp you run gets any attention is proof that the current system is broken.


The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda is not proof of anything being broken. Ultimately it doesn't matter if you have 5000 members and camped a station for a month if none of your directors or representatives are capable of submitting a valid news lead.

If you want to make an impact you have to sell yourselves properly


Mo adib
Amarr
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:33:00 - [195]
 

Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:35:32
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: isqander
And the fact that whatever corp you run gets any attention is proof that the current system is broken.


The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda is not proof of anything being broken. Ultimately it doesn't matter if you have 5000 members and camped a station for a month if none of your directors or representatives are capable of submitting a valid news lead.

If you want to make an impact you have to sell yourselves properly




I would like to thank you jade for your part in keeping this issue current and at the top of the forums, you are doing a great deed in helping people to see the injustice of the current ISD propaganda machine and the people thank you for your service.

edit: also insert joke about you mentioning selling yourself properly and rping being a tranny prostitute. ahh internet irony never gets old.

Commander Tigre
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:36:00 - [196]
 

Edited by: Commander Tigre on 19/03/2009 01:38:09
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: isqander


... blah blah blah...

If you want to make an impact you have to sell yourselves properly




I see you are pushing to 'selling' yourself and Star Fraction quickly these days.

BobFromBoB
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:37:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: isqander
And the fact that whatever corp you run gets any attention is proof that the current system is broken.


The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda is not proof of anything being broken. Ultimately it doesn't matter if you have 5000 members and camped a station for a month if none of your directors or representatives are capable of submitting a valid news lead.

If you want to make an impact you have to sell yourselves properly



You forgot t1 ships Removed. Navigator and our dishonourable metagaming

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:38:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: Mo adib
I would like to thank you jade for your part in keeping this issue current and at the top of the forums...


Its an important issue really. Every so often in Eve online some alliance or another thinks to attack ISD news on the allegation of perceived "bias" its generally always revealed as sour grapes and inability to use the "submit news lead" button correctly.

On this thread we've already seen a senior goon confirming that this current anti ISD campaign is just a organized campaign of wrecking to follow on the from the organized anti-CAOD campaign of the month before.

No mystery here.

Mo adib
Amarr
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:40:00 - [199]
 

Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:44:03
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mo adib
I would like to thank you jade for your part in keeping this issue current and at the top of the forums...


Its an important issue really. Every so often in Eve online some alliance or another thinks to attack ISD news on the allegation of perceived "bias" its generally always revealed as sour grapes and inability to use the "submit news lead" button correctly.

On this thread we've already seen a senior goon confirming that this current anti ISD campaign is just a organized campaign of wrecking to follow on the from the organized anti-CAOD campaign of the month before.

No mystery here.



it must be pretty awesome to read whatever you want to see from anything that is written down. How did you learn to do such a nifty trick?

edit: but oh wait that is right there are actually quite a few in this thread not from goons and some not even related to goons (which is an accomplishment because apparently they napped all of eve rite?) that are upset over the horrible job that is being done and the lame excuses being given for why it was handled so poorly.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:46:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/03/2009 01:48:18
Originally by: Mo adib

edit: but oh wait that is right there are actually quite a few in this thread not from goons and some not even related to goons (which is an accomplishment because apparently they napped all of eve rite?) that are upset over the horrible job that is being done and the lame excuses being given for why it was handled so poorly.


You do realize that its possible for people to click on your portrait and see your posting history right? Cool

Mo adib
Amarr
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:48:00 - [201]
 

Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:50:02
you do realize it is possible to talk about more people then ourselves? I mean I know its a stretch for you that there exists a world outside of your ego, but trust me its there.

strangely enough some of them even replied to you in this thread although you promptly ignored them, most likely because they dont fit into your fantasy world....

edit:Cool

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:55:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Mo adib
... although you promptly ignored them.


I've replied where I see fit to do so and make the argument I wanted to make. I tend to ignore irrelevant points and outright incivility. Heh, surely you don't expect a person to reply to every single member of goonswarm - that would be a full time job! Very Happy

ChalSto
Gallente
Galactic Shipyards Inc
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:57:00 - [203]
 

EvE is no petting zoo.

If you are not strong enough, it will eat you alive and kick your butt.Twisted Evil

CCP Mitnal


Minmatar
C C P
Posted - 2009.03.19 01:57:00 - [204]
 

Cleaned.

Off-topic posts removed.

Mo adib
Amarr
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2009.03.19 02:03:00 - [205]
 

I was taing more about the completely unrelated to goonswarm posters that have posted upset about the ISD problem and even responded to your threads tearing apart your points.

I could go on but your most recent post hits my point square on the head, you have tunnel vision for goons and getting righteous about ISD's unbiased reporting (which a blind man can see is about as biased as it gets) is your way of keeping up your goon hatred.

I dont know what they did to make you hate them so much, and I dont really care, because that is your problem.

What I do care about is a ccp backed news entity being utilized as a propaganda machine for select groups in game.

the major difference between a news reporting organization and a propaganda machine is that a propaganda machine chooses what to report and what ot supress.

This thread is filled with allegations and some evidence that ISD is in fact a propaganda machine, and the official ISD response to that is that they are understaffed. This response however is about as flacid as it gets, it can maybe explain the lack of news articles over certain time periods, it cannot however explain the content of the stories that are chosen to be reported on when ISD decides to put a piece out there.

Try and write this argument off as a goon offensive on ccp or whatever you think it is, but this is just a statement of facts as I have observed them and apparently others share my analysis of the situation.

cycosis
Gallente
Terminal Impact
Posted - 2009.03.19 02:03:00 - [206]
 

Edited by: cycosis on 19/03/2009 02:03:31
Does anyone even know how many reporters ISD has? I've only seen a handful of names making reports. I'd imagine keeping tabs on hundreds of alliances would be difficult without news tips being called in.

Tbh, I really just read the news because it's entertaining. I guess I don't see a bias since I'm not on either side of the conflict. Why are people so wound up about this stuff? In the end, it's all "fake" news anyway since it's just internet spaceships.



Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.03.19 02:20:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Mo adib

Try and write this argument off as a goon offensive on ccp or whatever you think it is ...


Originally by: The Mittani
i think you may be mistaking the intentional delegitimation of an outlet for whining but w/e nbd~ it happened to caod and now it seems to be isd's turn


Enough said really.

BobFromBoB
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.03.19 02:37:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mo adib

Try and write this argument off as a goon offensive on ccp or whatever you think it is ...


Originally by: The Mittani
i think you may be mistaking the intentional delegitimation of an outlet for whining but w/e nbd~ it happened to caod and now it seems to be isd's turn


Enough said really.



I think you post in a vain attempt to convince yourself you matter

Jacob Majestic
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.19 02:46:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

ISD don't like canned narratives or closed conclusions. Maybe thats where you are going wrong?



Why look if it isn't Jade ****poster, who can always be counted on to **** up any goon thread.

To determine if you should actually be posting in this thread, please fill out the following questionnaire:

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Are you not so starved for attention that you hitch yourself to any goon bandwagon in some desperate cry for attention? oYES oNO

Is your posting relevant to the topic in question? oYES oNO

Has your alliance been relevant any time within the last 24 months? oYES oNO

------

If you can answer YES to at least two out of these three questions, congratulations, you should be posting! However, in your case Jade, sorry, I don't think you qualify.

Mo adib
Amarr
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2009.03.19 02:52:00 - [210]
 

not really enough said as I am stating there are those of us, myself included that dont take orders on how to post on the forums from goons, who are putting up a legitimate grievance against ISD. Your attempt to dismisss this grievance is that we are part of a goon offensive is a lame attempt at diverting attention.



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