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Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2009.03.17 01:26:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Hayaishi on 17/03/2009 02:57:07
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hey, i fly a heavy passive shield tanked Ishtar for pve, so i'm wondering, if i was to fly it into WH space, would i be able to do most, if not all the lowest difficulty plexes?

the Ishtar tanks around 600 omni dps, 1.5k guristas :P
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I'm after a deimos fitting for good anomaly ratting in wh space, perimeter anomalies. shield tank, armor tank, anything, just needs to be effective :D

Juicius
Cassandra's Light
Posted - 2009.03.17 01:51:00 - [2]
 

WH space is meant for gangs. I don't think a single person could do it. There isn't level of difficulty all wormhole space is HARD! thats atleast my understanding

Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2009.03.17 01:56:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Juicius
WH space is meant for gangs. I don't think a single person could do it. There isn't level of difficulty all wormhole space is HARD! thats atleast my understanding


well, single command ships have been able to do frontier plexes with only one friend, and no logistics. so i would presume a heavy tanked ishtar would do this perfectly well. i hope.

mdl70
Posted - 2009.03.17 02:02:00 - [4]
 

well, the ishtar can tank it. the drones get primaried very fast though. I have had good luck using a demios fitted with rails and an ab for easy w-space plexes.

I wouldn't use an ishtar for worm holes anymore.

Juicius
Cassandra's Light
Posted - 2009.03.17 02:02:00 - [5]
 

plexes? i wasn't aware that W-space had holes, only tons of sleepers ready to eat your babies

Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2009.03.17 02:04:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: mdl70
well, the ishtar can tank it. the drones get primaried very fast though. I have had good luck using a demios fitted with rails and an ab for easy w-space plexes.

I wouldn't use an ishtar for worm holes anymore.


can you share your fitting? i was initially skeptical about using drones to begin with. tbh the whole "npcs attack drones AI update" buisness needs to be replaced with "NPCs tracking disrupt, jam, damp drones". because drone boats are usless now. except the domi being a hospital ship.

Anopheli
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
Posted - 2009.03.17 02:10:00 - [7]
 

I played around with an Ishtar, admittedly using an armor tank, on Sisi. The main problem the ship suffers from is its near total reliance on drones for DPS. Sleepers chew drones up at a ferocious rate, there's no getting around it. It's almost worth considering drones as part of your tank, rather than damage dealing.

You might be able to do the first and second waves of certain perimeter anomalies that involve spawns of frigates and cruisers in the easiest W-space systems. The second wave, usually consisting of four cruisers, will be substantially more difficult due to the 30km webbing, and the tendency for your drones to have an 10 second lifespan once the sleepers target them.

I'm not saying it cannot be done, just that its extremely difficult, impractical and probably painfully slow to do. And it will require some rather atypical setups that will be able to cope with a variety of ranges.

The moral of the story is W-space is not for soloing.

Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2009.03.17 02:14:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Anopheli
I played around with an Ishtar, admittedly using an armor tank, on Sisi. The main problem the ship suffers from is its near total reliance on drones for DPS. Sleepers chew drones up at a
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And it will require some rather atypical setups that will be able to cope with a variety of ranges.

The moral of the story is W-space is not for soloing.


true, but it does get you loot and salvage.

radar plexes have got atleast 4 cruisers guarding the stuff. so i'm wondering if i can kill those in a deimos? also still after that fitting, i've never managed to make a good one.

Miranda Zoar
Posted - 2009.03.17 02:29:00 - [9]
 

After using my ishtar quite successfully at perimeter grav/ladar sites to kill off the spawns there with only marginal drone retargeting, I decided to try a complex, only to find the retargeting of drones to be MUCH faster. Considering the sleepers were slowly breaking my armor tank and I had no reliable DPS I ended up warping out rather than risk losing drones that could be used on easier sites.

Liadan Khanum
Gallente
Dragon Armed Mercenary Escort Squadron
Posted - 2009.03.17 02:31:00 - [10]
 

If you can avoid other players, perimeter sites can be easilly done in a solo drake, with a PvP-like fitting. Properly fitted and with skills you can even handle 2 perimerer sleeper BS, though it might take a warp out or controlling aggro.

In an Ishtar you would need to keep range vs the BS (the fg go up to 18xx m/s) and deploy the right drones against the right targets. Remote repping sentries may work well vs BS if they can't pop a sentry in one volley. Reports indicate that you need to switch up drone matchups, heavies vs fg's, lights vs cruisers and mediums vs bs.

passive shield tank is probably the way to go.

Benadil
Amarr
Altus Provisio
Posted - 2009.03.17 02:36:00 - [11]
 

Passive tank drake pve set up had no problems with permiter site and was working a second a gang of 3 bs came in so was time for me to leave ) but solo seems posable

Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2009.03.17 02:48:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Benadil
Passive tank drake pve set up had no problems with permiter site and was working a second a gang of 3 bs came in so was time for me to leave ) but solo seems posable


awesome, i'll have my alt there with me, he is a caldari pilot, he uses missiles more then i do. ill get him a passive shield drake, and ill get a raildeimos somehow sorted out. and then we shall see how it goes :D

still after a good wh perimeter running fit for the deimos. :D

Gort
Minmatar
Federation of Freedom Fighters
En Garde
Posted - 2009.03.20 18:19:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Hayaishi
Originally by: Juicius
WH space is meant for gangs. I don't think a single person could do it. There isn't level of difficulty all wormhole space is HARD! thats atleast my understanding


well, single command ships have been able to do frontier plexes with only one friend, and no logistics. so i would presume a heavy tanked ishtar would do this perfectly well. i hope.


I tried a Perimeter site in a Vaga with no problems....

Tyrannus Sallus
Gallente
Intaki Armaments
Posted - 2009.03.20 19:36:00 - [14]
 

I have soloed a few perimeter sites now with a passive tanked drake. It worked will in general, and was able to take out 2 frigs, 2 cruisers and 1 bs without losing my tank. The other night my buddy and i were in another perimeter complex (he was in a harbinger). I got all of the aggro (2 frigs, 2 cruisers and 1 bs and 2 sentry missile silos), and they chewed my tank pretty quickly. Those missiles sure hit hard! I warped out, he killed the frigs, and i came back in. After that we dispatched the sentries and BS, cruisers with no prob. Very Happy

Lord Windu
Posted - 2009.03.20 19:54:00 - [15]
 

I can solo the easy wormholes in the nighthawk with ease, haven't tried other wormholes but spet about a week in one and had no issues whatsoever, so a decent set-up tank should be fine in the easy wormholes, just hay have to warp out a few times.

mdl70
Posted - 2009.03.20 21:59:00 - [16]
 

Demois worm hole fit:

highs: 5 250mm rail guns tech 2, 1 prob launcher

mediums: 1 ab, 2 cap recharger 2's

lowes: 1 medium armor rep, 1 exp hardener, 2 adaptive nano's, 1 damage control, 1 mag stab.

rigs: 1 cap recharger, 1 power rig to fit everything.

drones: 10 lite drones

keep your distance with rats using ab and your golden. kill the senties first(most damage)use the drones if they manage to get to close.


ViperII
Posted - 2009.03.22 05:56:00 - [17]
 

sofar, i have soloed 2 perimeter and 1 frontier from highsec to an "unknown" with a passive drake. the worst the hardest site got me down was around 50% shields and held there. my shield skills are 5 but missile skills all at only 4 using faction kinetic. took awhile but not sweat, no warpout required. kill the sentry guns first. the worst also was 2 sentry guns, 2 cruisers and 2 battleships. my drake runs 17,000 shield hp with 125 sec recharge and 1 passive kinetic resist amp tech 2.

Lyvanna Kitaen
Minmatar
Noonday Sun Corp
Posted - 2009.03.22 08:38:00 - [18]
 

I've ran the easier anomalies with myself and an alt. I was in a Nighthawk and my alt was in an Onyx. I was able to run all the frig/cruiser only sites and the ones that spawn a single BS at the end. Sorry, I forget the names of the specific anomalies.

Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
Posted - 2009.03.22 08:40:00 - [19]
 

These posts make me angry.

I've been soloing Frontier, Perimeter and Forgotten sleeper deadspaces in a passive shield Ishtar since patch day.

Its very very, almost painfully, easy.

Also : Anyone who says "Drones die very fast." or something similar is a moron who does not know how to micromanage drone aggression.

I have perfected a technique whereby I can tank about 5 cruisers and 3 bs w/ sentries no problems.

Obviously can't manage the "deadly" WH space, but I'm not ******ed enough to try that stuff anyway.

sh4rp ov3rvolt
tr0pa de elite
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2009.03.22 10:35:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Imiarr Timshae
These posts make me angry.

I've been soloing Frontier, Perimeter and Forgotten sleeper deadspaces in a passive shield Ishtar since patch day.

Its very very, almost painfully, easy.

Also : Anyone who says "Drones die very fast." or something similar is a moron who does not know how to micromanage drone aggression.

I have perfected a technique whereby I can tank about 5 cruisers and 3 bs w/ sentries no problems.

Obviously can't manage the "deadly" WH space, but I'm not ******ed enough to try that stuff anyway.


give teh setup or stfu Very Happy

jasanpete
T1TS or GTFO
Posted - 2009.03.22 12:11:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Imiarr Timshae
These posts make me angry.

I've been soloing Frontier, Perimeter and Forgotten sleeper deadspaces in a passive shield Ishtar since patch day.

Its very very, almost painfully, easy.

Also : Anyone who says "Drones die very fast." or something similar is a moron who does not know how to micromanage drone aggression.

I have perfected a technique whereby I can tank about 5 cruisers and 3 bs w/ sentries no problems.

Obviously can't manage the "deadly" WH space, but I'm not ******ed enough to try that stuff anyway.


passive ishtar is good for the low end sleeper plexes with basic drops when it comes to the elite sleepers the ishtar would pop within 2 volleys. we run them in gangs of 5-10 kronos with rr fit and a few domi's if needed

Ripcha Headov
Enterprise Estonia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.03.22 13:55:00 - [22]
 

i've posted several times now about sleeper difficulties and why i LOVE the ishtar for doing the easier lvl wormhole systems (perimeter and frontier) but i may aswell post again since someone is suggesting a passive shield tank ishtar, which personally i think is travesty.

First up, YES, sleep space does have a variety of difficulty lvls, they are all nasty if u expect an easy ride and approach it like a normal mission, but in the scheme of things perimeter anomalies and plexes are easily soloable in my mind. (some more so than others)

out of ishtar or deimos i would choose ishtar any day. infact out of any HAC i would choose ishtar any day. The load out i have had success with is quite a simple 1 really.

I use the highs for salvager, scan prober and medium RR (to rep drones up after each encounter whislt salvagind)

Mids are T2 AB, large cap battery 2 and 3x cap rechargers (i suppose with really good skills u could get away with maybe 2 rechargers and a spare mid for hacking mod, target painter or onmidirectional tracking link)

Lows are 2x Med reps, exposive hardener, EANM and DC.

Rigs i use are 1 aux nano pump and CCC (with the ccc you should be able to take off a cap charger)

Now my choice of offencive weaponry is a bay of 7 garde 2's, 6 bouncer 2's and 10 hobgoblin 2's. Most the sleepers will like to get in reasonable close so gardes can hit them well enough, for the frigs use hobgoblins and for the ships that like sitting at range and to kill sentry guns use the bouncers.

The best way of avoiding losing sentries and also reducing incoming fire to a tankable amount is to wait for the initial aggro on your ship, drop the sentries of choice and orbit them at 500m with the AB on. This will allow u to scoop them at a moments notice and also give u enough transversal to negate teh worst of the incoming DPS (especially from the bs's). And since perimeter sleepers don't web, it works a treat.

If u play your cards right you shouldn't lose any drones and you should be ableto tank any spawns that i have seen in perimeter systems.

GL in your ventures and i hope u found this useful.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2009.03.22 14:45:00 - [23]
 

I've used the passive tanked myrmidon and didn't have any problem with the perimeter plexes, although drone aggro made it all take extremely long. I'd certainly recommend a web for the frigates so you can at least use your turrets on them.

T2 mediums got targeted immediately after leaving the bay, but T1 lights could take a few shots at the frigates before they started taking fire. Since the sleepers couldn't get through the tank, I had all the time in the world. The loot sucks for the time invested though, so a nighthawk would be a much better choice.

AmeNoNuhoko
Posted - 2009.03.22 16:22:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Anopheli
I played around with an Ishtar, admittedly using an armor tank, on Sisi. The main problem the ship suffers from is its near total reliance on drones for DPS. Sleepers chew drones up at a ferocious rate, there's no getting around it.


Tracking disrupt your drones' target.

Durindana
Gallente
Lafayette Sex Lions
Posted - 2009.03.22 23:00:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Ripcha Headov
And since perimeter sleepers don't web, it works a treat.


Certain Frontier sites web, and some Perimeter ones definitely do too. Certain Sleeper cruisers at the easier sites can web from 32km away.


 

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