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Unit ADA
Posted - 2009.03.12 08:53:00 - [1]
 

1. Get a bunch of mining ships and strip the asteroid he's mining.
2. Bump him over and over and away from the asteroid's that he's mining.
3. Bump and sandwich him between your ship and an asteroid to prevent from warping.

If you can't kill a macro miner, stop him form doing what he can do in the first place, mining.

If you can trap him by making him bump into an asteroid and make him stuck, he's pretty much done for.

These are just some ideas. What are yours?

Psi Draconis
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.03.12 08:59:00 - [2]
 

Useless... You know that the macro is working 23/7 at TQ without human overlooking it... How many days are you going to do that to those couple thousand macros 23 hours a day?

Nalena Arlath
Posted - 2009.03.12 15:51:00 - [3]
 

If you banned and/or removed all the macrominers from EVE, the prices on ships would skyrocket.

Do you wanna pay extra for your ships?

Kavu
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.03.12 16:07:00 - [4]
 

plus, STOP **** POASTING ABOUT MACROS

THE VERY worst part about macros is the piles and piles of crap threads about them

Liz Laser
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.03.12 16:08:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Nalena Arlath
If you banned and/or removed all the macrominers from EVE, the prices on ships would skyrocket.

Do you wanna pay extra for your ships?


Since I produce more minerals (from mining and especially from reprocessing loot) than I consume (from ship buying), I'll have to respond with a very enthusiastic YES!

But CPP loves its macro miner subscriptions, so I know better than to get too worked up about it.


Kavu
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.03.12 16:13:00 - [6]
 

here's an idea,
has a macro ever:
Griefed, Scamed, Shot, podded, gate camped, took you lewt, war decced you, put your tears in his bio, etc,etc,etc, plus everything else carebears whine about, and stuff,
no? oh man they are really horrible,
they make station and cyno fuel cheap, so if ccp works it out and gets rid of them cool, if not ill just enjoy the product they provide

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.03.12 16:25:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: De''Veldrin on 12/03/2009 16:25:25
Originally by: Kavu
here's an idea,
has a macro ever:
Griefed, Scamed, Shot, podded, gate camped, took you lewt, war decced you, put your tears in his bio, etc,etc,etc, plus everything else carebears whine about, and stuff,
no? oh man they are really horrible,
they make station and cyno fuel cheap, so if ccp works it out and gets rid of them cool, if not ill just enjoy the product they provide


No but a macro gate camp would be an amusing thing to watch. Be a bit like Ed-209 from Robocop, I expect.

FarosWarrior
Amarr
Pure Dutch Damage Corp
Care Factor
Posted - 2009.03.12 16:28:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Kavu
plus, STOP **** POASTING ABOUT MACROS

THE VERY worst part about macros is the piles and piles of crap threads about them


Originally by: Kavu
here's an idea,
has a macro ever:
Griefed, Scamed, Shot, podded, gate camped, took you lewt, war decced you, put your tears in his bio, etc,etc,etc, plus everything else carebears whine about, and stuff,
no? oh man they are really horrible,
they make station and cyno fuel cheap, so if ccp works it out and gets rid of them cool, if not ill just enjoy the product they provide


you just made my day with the TRUTHLaughing

Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2009.03.12 17:08:00 - [9]
 

Never understood all the hate for people who are just playing the damn game the way they want to. Especially when their actions result in 1 thing and only 1 thing:

Cheaper stuff for the rest of us.

Oh the horror.

Major Stallion
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2009.03.12 19:28:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Nalena Arlath
If you banned and/or removed all the macrominers from EVE, the prices on ships would skyrocket.

Do you wanna pay extra for your ships?


id pay more if it meant that the game got rid of this cancer...you sitting here actually defending this is absolutely appalling

Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
Posted - 2009.03.12 19:32:00 - [11]
 

Posting in a thread where the macroers talk back! Shocked

This macro posting brought to you in part by ITAKE.

BallistaII
Genos Occidere
Sev3rance
Posted - 2009.03.12 21:49:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Kavu
THE VERY worst part about macros is the piles and piles of crap threads about them

Le Poupon
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.03.12 21:51:00 - [13]
 

No now I can't macro mine :(

Gregor Vernof
Steaming Hot Gallente Chicks Gone Wild
Posted - 2009.03.12 21:58:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Unit ADA
2. Bump him over and over and away from the asteroid's that he's mining.


I actually believe this can get you warned/banned for griefing if petitioned to a GM. Macro'ers/ISK farmers are a unfortunate part of this game regardless of what they contribute to it, however they are here for the duration I'd hazzard a guess.

Only true way you are gonna complicate their life is by suicide ganking them en mass, unless their controller or the program he/she/it is using is poorly complied and they make a mistake that allows you to gain aggro....

Other than that enjoy your trolling.

Ulric Zorn
Posted - 2009.03.12 22:19:00 - [15]
 

Amazes me how this issue gets so many panties in a bunch. There is no legal justification for banning the automating of keystrokes. Regardless of the use.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.03.12 23:25:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Ulric Zorn
Amazes me how this issue gets so many panties in a bunch. There is no legal justification for banning the automating of keystrokes. Regardless of the use.


Someone else who hasn't read the EULA.

Liz Laser
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.03.12 23:45:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ulric Zorn
Amazes me how this issue gets so many panties in a bunch. There is no legal justification for banning the automating of keystrokes. Regardless of the use.


And yet CCP has. Think of it like drug dealing. Even if you think it is harmless, it is infuriating to watch people become richer than you simply because they're willing to break the rules while you play by the rules.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2009.03.13 00:17:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Kavu
plus, STOP **** POASTING ABOUT MACROS

THE VERY worst part about macros is the piles and piles of crap threads about them


First I read that and wanted to do /sign
..but then I read this;

Originally by: Kavu
here's an idea,
has a macro ever:
Griefed, Scamed, Shot, podded, gate camped, took you lewt, war decced you, put your tears in his bio, etc,etc,etc, plus everything else carebears whine about, and stuff,
no? oh man they are really horrible,
they make station and cyno fuel cheap, so if ccp works it out and gets rid of them cool, if not ill just enjoy the product they provide


..and I want to do /facepalm
You should take some basic economy class, especially learn what happened in games where farmers got certain item values down really low. I'll skip chapeter 1 to 337 and tell you the end; the game dies.

Ps. I don't care much for macros as such, but they are a major threat to all games. If you believe something else, you're a virgin in this environment or you fail to grasp why even simple hack'n'slash games hire respectable economists.

Razz

Ms Delerium
Posted - 2009.03.13 01:14:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Nalena Arlath
If you banned and/or removed all the macrominers from EVE, the prices on ships would skyrocket.

Do you wanna pay extra for your ships?


Originally by: Kavu
plus, STOP **** POASTING ABOUT MACROS

THE VERY worst part about macros is the piles and piles of crap threads about them


Originally by: Taram Caldar
Never understood all the hate for people who are just playing the damn game the way they want to. Especially when their actions result in 1 thing and only 1 thing:

Cheaper stuff for the rest of us.

Oh the horror.



The end justify the means, huh???

or is it just that YOU are macrominers? Laughing

Proteaus
Minmatar
modro
Sc0rched Earth
Posted - 2009.03.13 02:48:00 - [20]
 

Why do all that when u only need to get a squad of kestrals and pop em then sell the t-2 mods u got off the barge to replace your squads gear.

Lana Torrin
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.03.13 02:51:00 - [21]
 

NO U

Rens Proposition
Posted - 2009.03.13 11:37:00 - [22]
 

Kinda funny to see how many people ***** about things without realizing how it effects them, or trying to come up with some lore about how it's negative in some way.

1st off, macro mining is wrong, against the eula, and yeah.
2ndly, have you ever actually looked at the economic ramifications of eliminating every macro miner out there? were you even around in the days of when a CNR cost about a bil? When battleships meant you were rich?

Look at ice, oh how much fun it is to mine, mining all day. There are over 5k systems in eve, right? Well, lets just imagine, there's only 1 pos in every single system, and we'll use round numbers, and say 5,000 pos's.
Because this is a gross underestimation, lets say they are all large pos's.

Liquid Ozone - 82 hours of ice mining with a max mackinaw per tower
Heavy Water - 31 hours of ice mining with a max mackinaw per tower
Isotopes - 25 hours of ice mining with a max mackinaw per tower

now these numbers are run in high sec using basic ice. now multiplied by 5000...

Liquid Ozone - 410,000 man hours to fuel 5k pos's a month
Heavy Water - 155,000 man hours to fuel 5k pos's a month
Isotopes - 125,000 man hours to fuel 5k pos's a month

Keep in mind there are only 720 hours in a standard (30 day) month. So this is the equivilent of 570 people mining 23/7 ice, just to keep 5,000 towers running.

Now watch what happens here, you get rid of all the macro miners, somehow making it so it is impossible to macro mine. Fine, you get your wish. What happens next? Well, soon, as in instantly, prices on POS fuel skyrocket. It is now nearly impossible for all but the richest people in all of Eve to run a POS.
In turn, research and build slot competition sky rockets, making it harder and harder to build goods.
The T2 market disintegrats as prices raise to beyond belief, as it is just too expensive to fuel the POS's to mine the moon minerals. You might say moon minerals will go up in price too, and therefore, pay for itself, but, look a little harder, and you'll see how that will collapse on itself as well just the same.

Now, we have a massive imbalance, as prices on constructed goods are now through the roof, players will by crying out for CCP to do something. Missions still give the same rewards, and so do belt rats, so your income is now instead of being more than it cost to fit your ships or do whatever it was you did, much much less.

Yes, those who would then go mine ice, might make a lot more per block than they do now, if they could find a buyer, but ask yourself a few questions:
1) how many pos's do you think there are running right now in eve?
2) if it takes an average of 2% of the online population to mine enough fuel for only 5k towers, what percentage do you think is mining for the rest of the towers?
3) are not macro miners a necessary evil? cause if the answer to 3 is still no, they need to be eliminated, i have failed to prove the errors of that thinking.

I do not condone the actions of macro miners, but sadly, eve could not function without them.

Liz Laser
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.03.13 12:59:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Liz Laser on 13/03/2009 13:20:37


Rens,

Eve was a fine game before they even had Player Owned Stations.

Another thing your treatise discounted is that ratting and missions WOULDN'T pay the same. Those activities (wrongly in my opinion) generate great amounts of reprocessed minerals, even megacyte in high sec loot. So, higher mineral prices would benefit everyone EXCEPT those people who lose more (measured in minerals) in ship losses than they gain in mined or reproccessed minerals (and perhaps POS owners who might have to go out and actually mine the ice they consume).

And yes, I realize this is all a gross simplification of someone else's gross simplification of economics, but I'd still be happy to see the results of a macro free economy. And if macros did turn out to be needed, then ALL PLAYERS should be free to participate and benefit without CCP's ban threat.


RedSplat
Posted - 2009.03.13 13:06:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Rens Proposition
Kinda funny to see how many people ***** about things without realizing how it effects them, or trying to come up with some lore about how it's negative in some way.

1st off, macro mining is wrong, against the eula, and yeah.
2ndly, have you ever actually looked at the economic ramifications of eliminating every macro miner out there? were you even around in the days of when a CNR cost about a bil? When battleships meant you were rich?

Look at ice, oh how much fun it is to mine, mining all day. There are over 5k systems in eve, right? Well, lets just imagine, there's only 1 pos in every single system, and we'll use round numbers, and say 5,000 pos's.
Because this is a gross underestimation, lets say they are all large pos's.

Liquid Ozone - 82 hours of ice mining with a max mackinaw per tower
Heavy Water - 31 hours of ice mining with a max mackinaw per tower
Isotopes - 25 hours of ice mining with a max mackinaw per tower

now these numbers are run in high sec using basic ice. now multiplied by 5000...

Liquid Ozone - 410,000 man hours to fuel 5k pos's a month
Heavy Water - 155,000 man hours to fuel 5k pos's a month
Isotopes - 125,000 man hours to fuel 5k pos's a month

Keep in mind there are only 720 hours in a standard (30 day) month. So this is the equivilent of 570 people mining 23/7 ice, just to keep 5,000 towers running.

Now watch what happens here, you get rid of all the macro miners, somehow making it so it is impossible to macro mine. Fine, you get your wish. What happens next? Well, soon, as in instantly, prices on POS fuel skyrocket. It is now nearly impossible for all but the richest people in all of Eve to run a POS.
In turn, research and build slot competition sky rockets, making it harder and harder to build goods.
The T2 market disintegrats as prices raise to beyond belief, as it is just too expensive to fuel the POS's to mine the moon minerals. You might say moon minerals will go up in price too, and therefore, pay for itself, but, look a little harder, and you'll see how that will collapse on itself as well just the same.

Now, we have a massive imbalance, as prices on constructed goods are now through the roof, players will by crying out for CCP to do something. Missions still give the same rewards, and so do belt rats, so your income is now instead of being more than it cost to fit your ships or do whatever it was you did, much much less.

Yes, those who would then go mine ice, might make a lot more per block than they do now, if they could find a buyer, but ask yourself a few questions:
1) how many pos's do you think there are running right now in eve?
2) if it takes an average of 2% of the online population to mine enough fuel for only 5k towers, what percentage do you think is mining for the rest of the towers?
3) are not macro miners a necessary evil? cause if the answer to 3 is still no, they need to be eliminated, i have failed to prove the errors of that thinking.

I do not condone the actions of macro miners, but sadly, eve could not function without them.


Your high school economics is distasteful, you have forgotten that CCP has what is ultimately total control over prices in their sandbox and in insert political macro economics buzzord here of New Eden tweaking mining to make it a worthwhile and profitable player activity is easily accomplished.

Firkragg
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.03.13 13:48:00 - [25]
 

what we need is a macro griefing tool that automatically griefs macro miners for us 23/7

Andrew Riviera
Caldari
The First Church of the Azure Carrot
Posted - 2009.03.13 14:00:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Firkragg
what we need is a macro griefing tool that automatically griefs macro miners for us 23/7


Twisted Evil Oh, the irony, the absofragginlutely beautiful irony...

Liz Laser
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.03.13 14:13:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Firkragg
what we need is a macro griefing tool that automatically griefs macro miners for us 23/7



I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. Smile

Molten Steel
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.03.13 15:00:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Rens Proposition
Kinda funny to see how many people ***** about things without realizing how it effects them, or trying to come up with some lore about how it's negative in some way.

1st off, macro mining is wrong, against the eula, and yeah.
2ndly, have you ever actually looked at the economic ramifications of eliminating every macro miner out there? were you even around in the days of when a CNR cost about a bil? When battleships meant you were rich?

Look at ice, oh how much fun it is to mine, mining all day. There are over 5k systems in eve, right? Well, lets just imagine, there's only 1 pos in every single system, and we'll use round numbers, and say 5,000 pos's.
Because this is a gross underestimation, lets say they are all large pos's.

Liquid Ozone - 82 hours of ice mining with a max mackinaw per tower
Heavy Water - 31 hours of ice mining with a max mackinaw per tower
Isotopes - 25 hours of ice mining with a max mackinaw per tower

now these numbers are run in high sec using basic ice. now multiplied by 5000...

Liquid Ozone - 410,000 man hours to fuel 5k pos's a month
Heavy Water - 155,000 man hours to fuel 5k pos's a month
Isotopes - 125,000 man hours to fuel 5k pos's a month

Keep in mind there are only 720 hours in a standard (30 day) month. So this is the equivilent of 570 people mining 23/7 ice, just to keep 5,000 towers running.

Now watch what happens here, you get rid of all the macro miners, somehow making it so it is impossible to macro mine. Fine, you get your wish. What happens next? Well, soon, as in instantly, prices on POS fuel skyrocket. It is now nearly impossible for all but the richest people in all of Eve to run a POS.
In turn, research and build slot competition sky rockets, making it harder and harder to build goods.
The T2 market disintegrats as prices raise to beyond belief, as it is just too expensive to fuel the POS's to mine the moon minerals. You might say moon minerals will go up in price too, and therefore, pay for itself, but, look a little harder, and you'll see how that will collapse on itself as well just the same.

Now, we have a massive imbalance, as prices on constructed goods are now through the roof, players will by crying out for CCP to do something. Missions still give the same rewards, and so do belt rats, so your income is now instead of being more than it cost to fit your ships or do whatever it was you did, much much less.

Yes, those who would then go mine ice, might make a lot more per block than they do now, if they could find a buyer, but ask yourself a few questions:
1) how many pos's do you think there are running right now in eve?
2) if it takes an average of 2% of the online population to mine enough fuel for only 5k towers, what percentage do you think is mining for the rest of the towers?
3) are not macro miners a necessary evil? cause if the answer to 3 is still no, they need to be eliminated, i have failed to prove the errors of that thinking.

I do not condone the actions of macro miners, but sadly, eve could not function without them.


Or the prices go up a little, making it more profitable to mine ice and so more players go mine it and the prices stabilize.

Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.03.13 15:39:00 - [29]
 

what the op needs is to get laid

Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2009.03.13 15:39:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Taram Caldar on 13/03/2009 15:59:30
Originally by: Ms Delerium

Originally by: Taram Caldar
Never understood all the hate for people who are just playing the damn game the way they want to. Especially when their actions result in 1 thing and only 1 thing:

Cheaper stuff for the rest of us.

Oh the horror.



The end justify the means, huh???

or is it just that YOU are macrominers? Laughing


LOL
2 seconds of research would show you just how idiotic that statement is.

Now... I do admit 'it's against the EULA' ... but it's up to CCP to enforce their stupid EULA... not me. If some schlep really wants to waste their time mining 23/7 I really couldn't care less. If you don't like them doing it? Form a suicide gang and go gank them. Only takes like 4 gank Caracals to instapop an exhumer. Even a 0.0 uber tank fitted hulk with faction equipment fitted only has 17k effective hp, 12 caracals with just T1 gear can pop that... Insurance will even completely cover the ship losses you get pure profit off any faction mod (all in the hundreds of millions on that kind of fit) that drops. And on a standard 'macro miner hulk' I suspect they don't fit any tank at all beyond maybe a shield booster so they can maximize their ore yield... 5-7 caracals to pop it and the strip miners alone will be pure profit.

TBH I'm kind of surprise more folks don't suicide gank exhumers. It's pure profit if you fit a ship scanner. I myself won't do it but if you guys are so angry about macro mining there's a very easy way to deal with it.


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