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Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2009.03.12 06:44:00 - [1]

Edited by: Halada on 15/03/2010 23:20:20
Update: Match 15th 2010

I intend to take another break from EVE, so rather than have to keep the account active so I can keep posting here, I have created a website for the guide. I'll be able to add updates, pages, and new content as we go.

Official Guide Website

Next update is re-scheduled for the Summer 2010 expansion.

Jesh Subversion
Posted - 2009.03.12 06:45:00 - [2]

aha! It's here!

Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2009.03.12 06:47:00 - [3]

Well, here it is folks!

First of all, I apologize if it seems like nothing is ready... this is a big project, and this will be a big guide. Not even half the content is released, and the guide already contains 92 pages. Considering the smaller font used in this version over the previous one (which had close to 80 pages), a lot was changed, and a lot was added. So much, that it would be too difficult to list.

I hope you will like the new design and the professional look I tried to give it! Expect the same quality content for all other sections, which I hope to have all released before the next 30 days.

Finally, I apologize for the crappy quality of the images in the guide. They look 10x better in the word document, and even after playing with Acrobat's converting options and setting everything to maximu quality, they still look like ****, considering. Anyone knows how to get a high quality PDF?

I hope you enjoy the first part

Deth Shinigami
AUS Corporation
Posted - 2009.03.12 06:50:00 - [4]

My pants just received wrecking damage :O

<3 Halada

DrDrDr Ursus
Posted - 2009.03.12 07:00:00 - [5]

I sahll look forward, with considerable eagerness, to this.

Thank you for the opportunity to thank you for an excellent product/service -- long may you prosper.
Very Happy

Avalon Champion
Black Thorne Corporation
Posted - 2009.03.12 07:10:00 - [6]

Thanks For the guide Halalda. Looks good, and love the cartoon style inserts which breaks it up nicely.

Only typos i noticed that sprang out are in Section 4 : P88, ME/PE mix up on the Cap Comp, BS, and Mods.

Jan Tarilles
Posted - 2009.03.12 07:27:00 - [7]

Congrats on getting it released, I'm looking forward to reading it. Thanks for the hard work, it will help a lot of us I'm sure.

Yukon Kornelius
Posted - 2009.03.12 08:05:00 - [8]

Any sections on finding a peppermint mine? I'm tired of looking for silver and gold!

Thanks in advance,

Yukon Kornelius

Rafa Artois
Posted - 2009.03.12 08:19:00 - [9]

posting in awesomeness thread

Sanctum of Citizens
Posted - 2009.03.12 08:22:00 - [10]

Edited by: GyokZoli on 12/03/2009 08:57:38
Woah! It looks really great, thank you!

Hey, I just found and error (guess it is a typo). On page 13 you stated that the Strip Miner I can use Mining Crystals and in fact it cannot. It didn't change with Apocrypha, did it?

Thuffyr Ewwith
Posted - 2009.03.12 08:26:00 - [11]

WoW! Great guide!!

always something to learn!


Mystic Lion Hearts
Posted - 2009.03.12 08:39:00 - [12]

pherhaps mentioning how big the bonuses of the orca are in total on a hulk (with examples like good skilled orca pilot (everything on IV and max skilled with industrial cs V and gang mindlink)
so ppl stop asking how many hulks you need to replace a hulk for orca when going for max yield not mentioning the hauling capacity of the orca

Echo Mande
Posted - 2009.03.12 09:30:00 - [13]

Edited by: Echo Mande on 12/03/2009 09:55:36
Edited by: Echo Mande on 12/03/2009 09:52:31
Very nice guide!

I've found one error already though. On page 13 it is stated that strip miner 1's use mining crystals. To my knowledge this is not the case.

I've also come across some spelling mistakes and an expansive/expensive error (MLU table).

One thing that needs reworking is the squadron/wing/fleet boosters section. Granted, squadron and wing boosters are only useful in small ops and still require a valid command structure, they avoid the need for a full command structure. On page 41 you almost seem to contradict yourself on this.

Keep up the good work!

Leana Darkrider
Creatio -ex- nihilo
The Donkey Rollers
Posted - 2009.03.12 10:01:00 - [14]

awesome guide!

Should be a sticky

Karox Lominax
Posted - 2009.03.12 10:29:00 - [15]

The table for advanced materials from the 'babushka' site is wrong by the way, and you seem to have copied this across with the error included - the reaction for Fermionic Condensates is described as only have an output of 2 units, whereas the reaction in game provides a 200 unit output.

Theres a few typos and things, many of which have been spotted, but I'll have a quick re-read of the guide if you are interested in a bit of feedback (im only glancing through it at work at the moment)

Looks really good though.

Assaj Ventress
Posted - 2009.03.12 10:43:00 - [16]

Thanks a bunch from a n00b miner!! Great job, it helps lots of ppl out there Razz

Kronos Tempestus
Posted - 2009.03.12 10:59:00 - [17]

Originally by: Halada
"...Finally, I apologize for the crappy quality of the images in the guide."

1st - thanks for the update
2nd - looks fine both on screen and on paper (laser printer). Need to zoom 3x to catch some blockiness.
3rd - how do you manage to have time to update the guide, manage the corp/alliance affairs, RL work? Were you not in your internship? Do you run a 48-hour day?

Thanks again for uber-guide.

Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm.
Reverberation Project
Posted - 2009.03.12 11:20:00 - [18]

awesome guide...i hope work doesn't mind me printing it out and binding itLaughing

i don't think i am going to get much work done tomorrow at all.

Dictum Factum
Skill Training
Posted - 2009.03.12 11:25:00 - [19]

Nice to see the new guide. Going to give it a read this weekend.

Posted - 2009.03.12 11:52:00 - [20]

Excellent! thx a lot

Wulfgang Gottride
Reynholm Industries
Posted - 2009.03.12 12:22:00 - [21]

Your guide is what got me into mining in the first place. Love it and manufacturing is a welcome addition.

Regards ever faithfully.

Posted - 2009.03.12 12:40:00 - [22]

Halada you did t again (for as far the guide is done already) i am at work reading it and i have to say its realy good so far cant wait for the other sections to complete

all hail halada LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

Morbius Hellfire
Posted - 2009.03.12 12:41:00 - [23]

great guide! I've been looking for a solid reference for invention, so I can't wait for the next installment!


Clint Beastwood
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.03.12 12:47:00 - [24]

Hello Halada,

Have you noticed that the URL in the link shows as...

Is this it a guide for ugly people..?

However, you have done it again, thank you on behalf of all of Eve. Well done.

Cheers, Clint

Irish Blend
Posted - 2009.03.12 15:20:00 - [25]

Awesome thanks

The 10045th Logistics Battalion is always looking for miners and industrial players. Contact us in game

Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2009.03.12 15:59:00 - [26]

lol @ the link!

As you might have noticed, I was a little tired and rushed the PDF for release before going to bed.

I've taken notes of all your remarks and have corrected all errors.


Everybody Loves Donuts
Posted - 2009.03.12 16:00:00 - [27]

Edited by: Zaknussem on 12/03/2009 16:00:50
Thanks for the updated guide, Halada. I'm reading it as I post this, but I'm noticing a few errors:

# The word that means something has a high cost is spelled "expensive", not "expansive". I've spotted this at least three times in the guide so far, and I'm on page 39.

# You state that there are 18 different ores in EvE, yet you only list 16. (P4, Section 1.1, second paragraph) Where are the remaining 2?

# Strip Miner I does not use crystals, but this has been mentioned here already.

# On Page 15, you state that you need a corp standing of 6.47 or more to get a 0% tax rate in a NPC station. Are you sure of this number? I recently had to grind a character up to 0% tax refine rate and I had to get over 6.7.

# Page 30, third paragraph: It could use a rewrite, as you seem to have copied it verbatim from an older guide. As is, it states in the present tense, that the Hulk costs 500 million ISK.

Hope this helps to polish off your guide. Keep up the good work.

EDIT: Typo corrected.

Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2009.03.12 16:11:00 - [28]

After a grindind session I could get 100% with 6.47, however, the station window incorrectly reports the net yield, and this was a while ago.

I'll have to recheck.

Everybody Loves Donuts
Posted - 2009.03.12 17:28:00 - [29]

To help you further with this, I did the grinding during Quantum Rise, around November or December.

I also remember seeing the Refining window showing me 0.0% in the "we take" column when I had 6.67, which was true as long as I was refining in small amounts. However, when I refined a evening's worth of mined ore, several hundred units of minerals were being taken as tax, which led me to conclude that the tax rate was at 0.01% or thereabouts at corp standing 6.67.

Pax Magnus
Caldari Illuminati
Posted - 2009.03.12 17:46:00 - [30]

Looks like a great guide, Halada. Looking forward to reading it thoroughly after work.

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