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Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.03.11 20:59:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Jacob Mei on 11/03/2009 20:59:27
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Originally by: Winterblink
I'm sure with Ambulation some citizens of EVE will provide you with all the pleasure hub you could possibly desire.



/me shudders.

Cleaned.

The Quafe girl was inappropriate for a teen rated site.



Perhaps I am making a mountain out of an ant hill but I would like to know how much sway the ESRB has over the creative choices at CCP. If Mitnal's words are to be taken seriously then it would seem in order to gain the T for teen rating granted by the ESRB the devs had to cut out a background setting way off in the distance of an old hanger screen.

Granted it is insignificant but if the reasons for its removal are in fact censorship how much of Eve, both present and future will be affected by this?

Finnroth
The Guardian Agency

Posted - 2009.03.11 21:20:00 - [2]
 

I want to know this aswell.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.03.11 21:52:00 - [3]
 

Pretty sure I remember seeing an "Unrated by the ESRB" when I logged in...

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.03.11 22:02:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Pretty sure I remember seeing an "Unrated by the ESRB" when I logged in...


The exact words are "online interactions not rated by ESRB." This means interactions between players as opposed to the content that CCP produces. My concern is that, did CCP in order to get the ESRB T for Teen rating agree to remove certain aspects of their game and or cease pursuing those lines?

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2009.03.12 00:26:00 - [5]
 

Content CCP creates is rated. Online interactions are not. You may have some E, M or AO rated interaction while playing EVE but the CCP provided aspect will be rated for teens.

Since EVE is T for Teen, I'd imagine any hopes and dreams of running around naked in ambulation are going to have to stay dreams.Wink

Tzar'rim
Posted - 2009.03.12 01:41:00 - [6]
 

Damn kids, spoiling it again.

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.03.12 06:00:00 - [7]
 

Pleasure hubs BACK in Gallente stations please.

Next thing you know it'll be the Exotic Dancers, and then the booster drug market. Stop censorship in its tracks. I'm American, it's a problem over here; dont let it become a problem over there.

place1
Amarr
Orion Ore Industries

Posted - 2009.03.12 07:33:00 - [8]
 

Stop the censorship of EVE

Treelox
Posted - 2009.03.12 08:03:00 - [9]
 

stupid ccp, this dumbing and younging down of eve needs to stop.


The quafe girl was ok for a 13yr old to see, imo.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2009.03.12 12:05:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Jacob Mei
Edited by: Jacob Mei on 11/03/2009 20:59:27
link

Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Originally by: Winterblink
I'm sure with Ambulation some citizens of EVE will provide you with all the pleasure hub you could possibly desire.



/me shudders.

Cleaned.

The Quafe girl was inappropriate for a teen rated site.



Perhaps I am making a mountain out of an ant hill but I would like to know how much sway the ESRB has over the creative choices at CCP. If Mitnal's words are to be taken seriously then it would seem in order to gain the T for teen rating granted by the ESRB the devs had to cut out a background setting way off in the distance of an old hanger screen.

Granted it is insignificant but if the reasons for its removal are in fact censorship how much of Eve, both present and future will be affected by this?


Originally by: Datsun Achura

sigh.

The link the OP posted was a FAKE quafe girl who was bent over all saucy-like

This is the Quafe girl mitnal had to remove.


Originally by: Eventy One
Yes. I posted a link to a fake Quafe girl image. Does anyone have a link to the real Quafe girl image?


Yes, you are making mountains out of a ant hill.




Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
Posted - 2009.03.12 12:51:00 - [11]
 

While it is nice to attract more customers by lowering your age rating I find it very hard to believe that those in their lower teens will find EVE an enjoyable game and become active subscribers (for long). Rather see a higher age rating and no censorship walking over creative choices.

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.03.12 14:14:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Edited by: Jacob Mei on 11/03/2009 20:59:27
link

Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Originally by: Winterblink
I'm sure with Ambulation some citizens of EVE will provide you with all the pleasure hub you could possibly desire.



/me shudders.

Cleaned.

The Quafe girl was inappropriate for a teen rated site.



Perhaps I am making a mountain out of an ant hill but I would like to know how much sway the ESRB has over the creative choices at CCP. If Mitnal's words are to be taken seriously then it would seem in order to gain the T for teen rating granted by the ESRB the devs had to cut out a background setting way off in the distance of an old hanger screen.

Granted it is insignificant but if the reasons for its removal are in fact censorship how much of Eve, both present and future will be affected by this?


Originally by: Datsun Achura

sigh.

The link the OP posted was a FAKE quafe girl who was bent over all saucy-like

This is the Quafe girl mitnal had to remove.


Originally by: Eventy One
Yes. I posted a link to a fake Quafe girl image. Does anyone have a link to the real Quafe girl image?


Yes, you are making mountains out of a ant hill.






Ah thank you for showing this then Venkul. At the time when I read that thread it appeared as if mintal was refering to the ingame object as I had not seen the image the OP had posted (and I think you would have to admit, the way it was handled would lead one to believe Mintal was refering to the ingame object as opposed to a piece of fan art, The and That really do make a diffrence in a short sentience). I made this particular thread before the clearification so call this all bad timing. *kicks the ant hill*

Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
Posted - 2009.03.12 15:28:00 - [13]
 

Stop the self administered censorship please, bring back the Quafe Girl, implement more features that will push the rating up to M at least!

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.03.12 17:22:00 - [14]
 

I've sat here keeping an eye out for a few known names to comment... they haven't.

Which says that this thread is a waste of our time.

There are more important things to deal with...

I concur... this is an stupid ant hill... needs to be kicked.
Move along.. move along.

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.03.12 18:09:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Ephemeron on 12/03/2009 18:09:40
This game should definitely strive more toward M-rated content.

Make EVE cool for the hardcore gamer. Look at GTA - it's uber popular.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.03.13 00:29:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
This game should definitely strive more toward M-rated content.

Screw the box, and make it AO.

croxis
Gallente
The Praxis Initiative
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2009.03.13 15:35:00 - [17]
 

The problem is that some very large retailers (like Walmart, or at least they use to) refuse to stock games with AO ratings. It would bad business decision to make the game AO and possibly lose massive sales over an exotic dancer.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.03.13 15:53:00 - [18]
 

I seriously doubt the idea to make a box for EVE was a good one, since most people that would pick it up will not keep playing for long.

Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.13 18:31:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Karentaki on 13/03/2009 18:31:25
Agreed, I'd like to know this too. I'm completely against any irrational censorship (what's wrong with half-naked bodies ffs, it's not like people can't just google 'pron' and get about 0.8 internets worth of nakedness), and to be honest I don't like the idea of CCP changing their game just to get a 'T' sticker that might attract a few more noobs, 99% of whom will quit after the first week and their first encounter with 'evil griefers' (aka other players). The players with the maturity to stick to the game will almost exclusively ignore the 'T' sticker, or lack thereof.

Imertu Solientai
Gallente
Posted - 2009.03.13 18:33:00 - [20]
 

Confirming I'll be scamming and griefing any new players I encounter in order to prevent them from getting permanently scarred by naked women... oh wait.

Mantiss
Posted - 2009.03.13 19:28:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Jacob Mei
Edited by: Jacob Mei on 11/03/2009 20:59:27
link

Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Originally by: Winterblink
I'm sure with Ambulation some citizens of EVE will provide you with all the pleasure hub you could possibly desire.



/me shudders.

You know, I didn't even notice but it's odd if you think about it. Nobody has any qualms about childern playing a game where they get into heavily armed spaceships and go out and attacking and kill each other but god forbid if there is even a nuance of sex. Rolling Eyes

Cleaned.

The Quafe girl was inappropriate for a teen rated site.



Perhaps I am making a mountain out of an ant hill but I would like to know how much sway the ESRB has over the creative choices at CCP. If Mitnal's words are to be taken seriously then it would seem in order to gain the T for teen rating granted by the ESRB the devs had to cut out a background setting way off in the distance of an old hanger screen.

Granted it is insignificant but if the reasons for its removal are in fact censorship how much of Eve, both present and future will be affected by this?

Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Federal Defense Operations
Posted - 2009.03.13 19:35:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 14/03/2009 12:56:08
Speaking of censorship... what about the cockpit? You know... the place where the pilot sits while flying?

Efferil
Posted - 2009.03.13 20:03:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Efferil on 13/03/2009 20:03:07
geez don't get a Teen Rating, the reason people play this game is because there is a considerably less amount of whiny annoying chavs.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2009.03.14 04:07:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Jacob Mei
I am making a mountain out of an ant hill


He modded a link to a photoshop of the 'premium client quafe girl' that was just a **** star, not the actual quafe girl from the old station environment.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2009.03.14 04:08:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Marcus Gideon
Speaking of censorship... what about the cockpit? You know... the place where the pilot sits while flying?


You don't sit in a cockpit in EVE, you're in your capsule, connected to a series of tubes (which probably get clogged sometimes).Razz

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2009.03.14 05:53:00 - [26]
 

I thought I was playing a game for grown-ups.

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks

Posted - 2009.03.14 08:14:00 - [27]
 

I honestly don't know many under 15 year olds, actually for that matter under 18 years old that enjoy this game enough to be offended by content.

Censorship of EVE is stupid at best, CCP is not going to attract teenagers to this game even with walking in stations. The game is an adult game, too slow moving and too complex to attract simpletons. Keep to your fan base CCP keep to the older generation.

Whoever the marketing guy is saying "We need to target the younger audience" fire them for stupidity and move. Keep it 15+ at least.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.03.14 14:53:00 - [28]
 

Considering this is in the game (and got overhauled with Apocrypha, too), this whole issue is just an over inflated blowfish.

Cyberman Mastermind
Posted - 2009.03.16 14:05:00 - [29]
 

Out of curiosity - how many of those who are screaming "OMGZ! CENS0RSHIP!!!!elventyone" actually LOOKED at the linked picture?
Don't just go "I know the quafe girl, so I don't have to look at the picture."
Look at it. Then tell me why you think this is suitable for eve or any game not specifically designed with adult content.

Suggestive poses and text which leaves a lot to the imagination is fine - but this doesn't leave much to the imagination.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.03.16 16:52:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: De''Veldrin on 16/03/2009 16:52:24
Actually, the 14-18 age bracket (at least in the US) is one of the most lucrative for any kind of gamin because they have the largest percentage of disposable income - that is, all of it. They don't pay bills, they don't have mortgages, and they don't (hopefully) have kids to feed and clothe. So they're free to spend their money on whatever strikes their fancy, be it EVE, WoW, or iTunes downloads. My 14 year old routinely spends his allowance/birthday/holiday money on cellphone cards and iTunes downloads cards.

From a purely business perspective, it makes perfect sense for CCP to try and get a slice of that. The price of that, of course, is that you have to make the games palatable to mommy and daddy (and to an extent, the retailers). Yes, I am one of those horribly unreasonable parents that won't let her kids play Grand Theft Auto or any of the other blatantly violent/adult games. Halo? Sure. Shoot all the aliens you like dear, just don't get any on my carpet. Hookers? Ah..no. I am quite sure they get enough of that crap at school (sadly enough).


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