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ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.09 22:59:00 - [241]
 

Response to moderated post removed - Mitnal

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.03.09 23:00:00 - [242]
 

Not Supported. Bias screams too loudly here.

ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.09 23:01:00 - [243]
 

Originally by: Drake Draconis
Not Supported. Bias screams too loudly here.


Bias is the problem in the first place. I think the council would take umbrage with the fact that you would lump them in with the Goons.

warrior002
Amarr
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.03.09 23:12:00 - [244]
 


Gloria Lewis
Caldari
GoonFleet
Posted - 2009.03.09 23:15:00 - [245]
 

I support this proposal

NereSky
Gallente
RETRIBUTIONS.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2009.03.09 23:30:00 - [246]
 

Edited by: NereSky on 10/03/2009 16:46:06
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Response to moderated post removed - Mitnal


I dont think he did threaten you irl it was char to char,
Also im concerned re your wording of 'perview' it suggests to me that the GM's/Moderators have to report to the CSM's no matter if they maybe all goons or not (who knows what future block voting may cause) in their decisions re punitive measures re rule breaking on the forum,

Tbh as i said id rather that decision remain with CCP although i would support CCP involving the CSM's re forum changes and/or to include punitive measures for continous rule breakers :)

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=752166

ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.09 23:34:00 - [247]
 

Originally by: NereSky
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Response to moderated post removed - Mitnal


I dont think he did threaten you irl it was char to char,
Also im concerned re your wording of 'perview' it suggests to me that the GM's/Moderators have to report to the CSM's no matter if they maybe all goons or not (who knows what future block voting may cause) in their decisions re punitive measures re rule breaking on the forum,

Tbh as i said id rather that decision remain with CCP although i would support CCP involving the CSM's re forum changes and/or to include punitive measures for continous rule breakers :)

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=752166


It places the mods on the same playing ground as everyone else in CCP. Char to char or IRL is up to the mods to decide. Unfortunately that's a bad thing.

Gorfob
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.10 00:01:00 - [248]
 

:madprops:

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2009.03.10 00:17:00 - [249]
 


Now why do I suspect there is more to this thread than meets the eye?

Could it be the very high percentage of voters from one single alliance?
Could it be the curious use of language in the op?
Could it be the couple of incautious comments from certain respondents?
Could it be the timing?

In conclusion I'm a bit wary about supporting this kind of motion without seeing precisely what the make up of the next CSM will be. If the turnout is low and we end up with a majority of CSM's from a single powerbloc the risk is that the kind of behaviour we've seen recently on CAOD will be given "official" sanction from the CSM and the reputation of the CSM as a viable entity would be damaged profoundly as a result.

Hence I'm not prepared to give my support to this motion until I see the results of the next election and I'd advise anyone on the fence in regard to this issue to hold off casting a vote likewise.

I would suggest people looking to make a serious improvement in CAOD right now should read this topic and cast a vote there for the issue of CAOD spam and low standards of posting there.

All the best!

Ghitza
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.03.10 00:51:00 - [250]
 


Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Frontier Venture
Posted - 2009.03.10 02:03:00 - [251]
 

No. I agree with CCP, the CSM is supposed to be dealing with IN-GAME issues. NOT FORUMS. NOT WEBSITES, THE GAME: EVE ONLINE.

I mean, seriously, the CSM is a bunch of players that signed up to be in a group of people that VOICE the opinion of the player base. They are not "an oversight committee". If they ever became that, I would fight it or quit EvE. The CSM is neither qualified nor voted in for that reason.

Why is everyone so desperate that CCP have an "oversight committee". They aren't a government. Heck, they don't even have the biggest player base in the world. If anyone should have one, it should be WoW, but I don't see anyone crying for one for them. Either way, its not needed. If your so tied into this game that you feel that CCP is some sort of government that needs governing you need to take a vacation from EvE.

This idea is moronic and stupid and I'm frankly appalled that any CSM has any support for this idea. You need a reality check.

--Isaac Starstriker

Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Frontier Venture
Posted - 2009.03.10 02:07:00 - [252]
 

Originally by: Omber Zombie
this is going to be an interesting discussion


Originally by: Pattern Clarc



You two disappoint me. I didn't think it could get worse, but you two proved otherwise. At least the guy who I least respected the least didn't have a power-high.

Saddening. Truly saddening.

--Isaac

ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.10 02:08:00 - [253]
 

Edited by: ThorTheGreat on 10/03/2009 02:12:17
Originally by: Jade Constantine

Now why do I suspect there is more to this thread than meets the eye?

Could it be the very high percentage of voters from one single alliance?
Could it be the curious use of language in the op?
Could it be the couple of incautious comments from certain respondents?
Could it be the timing?

In conclusion I'm a bit wary about supporting this kind of motion without seeing precisely what the make up of the next CSM will be. If the turnout is low and we end up with a majority of CSM's from a single powerbloc the risk is that the kind of behaviour we've seen recently on CAOD will be given "official" sanction from the CSM and the reputation of the CSM as a viable entity would be damaged profoundly as a result.

Hence I'm not prepared to give my support to this motion until I see the results of the next election and I'd advise anyone on the fence in regard to this issue to hold off casting a vote likewise.

I would suggest people looking to make a serious improvement in CAOD right now should read this topic and cast a vote there for the issue of CAOD spam and low standards of posting there.

All the best!



Man that's a lot of words nobody cares about. Does it burn you up that this topic has been up less than 24 hours and has more support than any single one of the assinine issues you raised? Yes, it does. We can't all be winners.

Skalet
Posted - 2009.03.10 02:08:00 - [254]
 

is it just me, or is it goonswarm, and all their alts that support this?

why is CCP blind to this utter bullshyte?

first they ruin COAD, now they turn the whole CSM thing into a friking joke?

you are all fools.



ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.10 02:09:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
No. I agree with CCP, the CSM is supposed to be dealing with IN-GAME issues. NOT FORUMS. NOT WEBSITES, THE GAME: EVE ONLINE.

I mean, seriously, the CSM is a bunch of players that signed up to be in a group of people that VOICE the opinion of the player base. They are not "an oversight committee". If they ever became that, I would fight it or quit EvE. The CSM is neither qualified nor voted in for that reason.

Why is everyone so desperate that CCP have an "oversight committee". They aren't a government. Heck, they don't even have the biggest player base in the world. If anyone should have one, it should be WoW, but I don't see anyone crying for one for them. Either way, its not needed. If your so tied into this game that you feel that CCP is some sort of government that needs governing you need to take a vacation from EvE.

This idea is moronic and stupid and I'm frankly appalled that any CSM has any support for this idea. You need a reality check.

--Isaac Starstriker


Ask CCP why they set it up the way they did. You act as if the CSM has created itself.

ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.10 02:10:00 - [256]
 

Originally by: Skalet
is it just me, or is it goonswarm, and all their alts that support this?

why is CCP blind to this utter bullshyte?

first they ruin COAD, now they turn the whole CSM thing into a friking joke?

you are all fools.





You're going to be pretty upset when this passes.

Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Frontier Venture
Posted - 2009.03.10 02:15:00 - [257]
 

Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
No. I agree with CCP, the CSM is supposed to be dealing with IN-GAME issues. NOT FORUMS. NOT WEBSITES, THE GAME: EVE ONLINE.

I mean, seriously, the CSM is a bunch of players that signed up to be in a group of people that VOICE the opinion of the player base. They are not "an oversight committee". If they ever became that, I would fight it or quit EvE. The CSM is neither qualified nor voted in for that reason.

Why is everyone so desperate that CCP have an "oversight committee". They aren't a government. Heck, they don't even have the biggest player base in the world. If anyone should have one, it should be WoW, but I don't see anyone crying for one for them. Either way, its not needed. If your so tied into this game that you feel that CCP is some sort of government that needs governing you need to take a vacation from EvE.

This idea is moronic and stupid and I'm frankly appalled that any CSM has any support for this idea. You need a reality check.

--Isaac Starstriker


Ask CCP why they set it up the way they did. You act as if the CSM has created itself.


Oiu...why don't you "enlighten me". Either way, CSM is fine the way it is. And to be very honest, NO other game has a "CSM" like this. We get something really unique and all we can do is complain about it. Very stupid in my opinion.

--Isaac

ThorTheGreat
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.03.10 02:24:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
No. I agree with CCP, the CSM is supposed to be dealing with IN-GAME issues. NOT FORUMS. NOT WEBSITES, THE GAME: EVE ONLINE.

I mean, seriously, the CSM is a bunch of players that signed up to be in a group of people that VOICE the opinion of the player base. They are not "an oversight committee". If they ever became that, I would fight it or quit EvE. The CSM is neither qualified nor voted in for that reason.

Why is everyone so desperate that CCP have an "oversight committee". They aren't a government. Heck, they don't even have the biggest player base in the world. If anyone should have one, it should be WoW, but I don't see anyone crying for one for them. Either way, its not needed. If your so tied into this game that you feel that CCP is some sort of government that needs governing you need to take a vacation from EvE.

This idea is moronic and stupid and I'm frankly appalled that any CSM has any support for this idea. You need a reality check.

--Isaac Starstriker


Ask CCP why they set it up the way they did. You act as if the CSM has created itself.


Oiu...why don't you "enlighten me". Either way, CSM is fine the way it is. And to be very honest, NO other game has a "CSM" like this. We get something really unique and all we can do is complain about it. Very stupid in my opinion.

--Isaac


I agree, you should probably be more positive in the future.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.03.10 02:33:00 - [259]
 

Edited by: De''Veldrin on 10/03/2009 02:35:02
Also on the fence - I think I'd like to see the mods actually cleaning up the forums before we worry about who they report to.

NereSky
Gallente
RETRIBUTIONS.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2009.03.10 17:26:00 - [260]
 

Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: Skalet
is it just me, or is it goonswarm, and all their alts that support this?

why is CCP blind to this utter bullshyte?

first they ruin COAD, now they turn the whole CSM thing into a friking joke?

you are all fools.






You're going to be pretty upset when this passes.


You seem pretty sure it will pass (wonders why),

Tbh i doubt anyone in CCP will agree with this (regardless as to how many of the Goons/and their alts vote) as the op suggests taking the power away from CCP re the forums into the hands of players which is something i and every other person with any sense would not wish to see while the forums are treat in such a irresponsible way

Ar'tee
DarkStar 1
Posted - 2009.03.10 18:51:00 - [261]
 

Originally by: NereSky
the op suggests taking the power away from CCP re the forums into the hands of players which is something i and every other person with any sense would not wish to see while the forums are treat in such a irresponsible way


The op does not suggest taking away power from the mods. It suggests that CCP mods should be obliged to answer the CSM with regard to questions concerning the inconsistent application of moderation policies and similar related issues.

If you think the OP is suggesting that CCP should re-instate something like the ISD again, I suggest you read again. Also, ask yourself whether you seriously think that any goons would ever vote in favor of such a proposal. So no, that's not what the proposal suggests.

Xiobe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.03.10 18:58:00 - [262]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Now why do I suspect there is more to this thread than meets the eye?

Could it be the very high percentage of voters from one single alliance?
Could it be the curious use of language in the op?
Could it be the couple of incautious comments from certain respondents?
Could it be the timing?

In conclusion I'm a bit wary about supporting this kind of motion without seeing precisely what the make up of the next CSM will be. If the turnout is low and we end up with a majority of CSM's from a single powerbloc the risk is that the kind of behaviour we've seen recently on CAOD will be given "official" sanction from the CSM and the reputation of the CSM as a viable entity would be damaged profoundly as a result.

Hence I'm not prepared to give my support to this motion until I see the results of the next election and I'd advise anyone on the fence in regard to this issue to hold off casting a vote likewise.

I would suggest people looking to make a serious improvement in CAOD right now should read this topic and cast a vote there for the issue of CAOD spam and low standards of posting there.

All the best!



Wow, you are incredibly bitter about being irrelevant.
Perhaps go and post this elsewhere on your beloved, badly moderated forums, and take someone up on their offer of "can i has ur stuff".

NereSky
Gallente
RETRIBUTIONS.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2009.03.10 19:02:00 - [263]
 

Originally by: Ar'tee
Originally by: NereSky
the op suggests taking the power away from CCP re the forums into the hands of players which is something i and every other person with any sense would not wish to see while the forums are treat in such a irresponsible way


The op does not suggest taking away power from the mods. It suggests that CCP mods should be obliged to answer the CSM with regard to questions concerning the inconsistent application of moderation policies and similar related issues.

If you think the OP is suggesting that CCP should re-instate something like the ISD again, I suggest you read again. Also, ask yourself whether you seriously think that any goons would ever vote in favor of such a proposal. So no, that's not what the proposal suggests.


I did read the op and after reading it - the word 'purview' means 'the range of operation, authority, control, concern, etc.'

this means to me that the CSM will have authority and control over the Mods/CCP re the forums

Lumen Atra
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.10 19:14:00 - [264]
 

Edited by: Lumen Atra on 10/03/2009 19:15:22
Edited by: Lumen Atra on 10/03/2009 19:14:27
Originally by: Jade Constantine

Now why do I suspect there is more to this thread than meets the eye?

Could it be the very high percentage of voters from one single alliance?
Could it be the curious use of language in the op?
Could it be the couple of incautious comments from certain respondents?
Could it be the timing?

In conclusion I'm a bit wary about supporting this kind of motion without seeing precisely what the make up of the next CSM will be. If the turnout is low and we end up with a majority of CSM's from a single powerbloc the risk is that the kind of behaviour we've seen recently on CAOD will be given "official" sanction from the CSM and the reputation of the CSM as a viable entity would be damaged profoundly as a result.

Hence I'm not prepared to give my support to this motion until I see the results of the next election and I'd advise anyone on the fence in regard to this issue to hold off casting a vote likewise.

I would suggest people looking to make a serious improvement in CAOD right now should read this topic and cast a vote there for the issue of CAOD spam and low standards of posting there.

All the best!



So, you disagree with the assertion that the moderation immunity is nonsense? There really isn't anything hidden in the language of the OP that I can see. The CSM, as far as I know, does not get to decide how things are run. They address ideas and, ultimately, CCP decides based off information. Your suspicion is just you trying to get a rise (successful) from people by being controversial for no good reason - aka, you are trolling under the guise of intelligent discourse.

If the population, as filtered through the CSM, wants the forums to be moderated in a more balanced fashion (such as equally banning/gagging you and your trolls along with the trolls you respond to, for an example), then CCP should have that pressure applied to them.

onymous
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.10 19:15:00 - [265]
 

*makes an obvious joke to a friend*
*gets permabanned*

yeah I'd say the mods need some oversight.

atrabilious
Posted - 2009.03.10 19:16:00 - [266]
 

supported. Also permaban jade constantine.

myrmecophilous
Posted - 2009.03.10 19:17:00 - [267]
 


NereSky
Gallente
RETRIBUTIONS.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2009.03.10 19:18:00 - [268]
 

Edited by: NereSky on 10/03/2009 19:20:03
Well whether an error in the writing or not its all rather sinister and i believe theres a ulterior motive in there somewhere, and tbh you accuse me of trolling but didnt the op ask to discuss this and isnt that what im doing?

Oh and stop the ingame spam of mails please

Buhamut Zeo
Caldari
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.10 19:23:00 - [269]
 

The eve-o forums mods seem about as disciplined in their duties as the goon forums mods.

Amiable Quinn
Minmatar
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.10 19:23:00 - [270]
 



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