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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2009.04.07 09:06:00 - [1591]
 

OMG Electric Universe NightmareX, just when I think you've posted the funniest thing ever, you come up with another gem. LaughingLaughing

Never stop posting.

Childstar
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2009.04.07 09:44:00 - [1592]
 

Originally by: NightmareX

1. A proper Navy Mega fit should not ONLY be bait fitted. It should have ALOT of EHP while it can do great DPS. Because after all, your gonna use your 7 guns to something to.


Its first and primary role is to soak up dmg, its dmg output is secondary.


Originally by: NightmareX
3. The normal Mega doesn't have EHP enough to be a bait ship with 3x MFS II's anyways, so it's better to be used as a DPS ship then.


The navy mega does not have enough EHP with 3 mag stabs to be a good bait ship either, unless you are baitiung VERY small gangs...Laughing


Originally by: NightmareX

Did you had any better ideas to come with in this topic at all?. No wait, you haven't had a good idea at all in this topic so far. All have been very poor and crappy with some poor explanations in most of your replies.


You have done nothing in this thread but troll and look like a total and clueless idiot, you have lost argument after argument and changed your pitch from normal megas in gang combat, to RR gang combat and now you are trying to pich your crap with navy megas.

And every time all you manage to do is look even more stupid, clueless and trolly.

This thread is about BS blaster ships that are used on TQ, so mostly standard megas and hyperions and unless you have any worthwile comments about them stfu and go troll elsewhere..

Childstar
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2009.04.07 10:06:00 - [1593]
 

Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 10:20:21

Originally by: Mag's
OMG Electric Universe NightmareX, just when I think you've posted the funniest thing ever, you come up with another gem. LaughingLaughing

Never stop posting.


He does post some gems but THIS i think is the crown jewel.Laughing

Originally by: NightmareX


No you don't have control of the fight in FFA 1 on sisi eitherRolling Eyes. Like right now, the Abaddon i tried got massivly spanked by 10 frigs, 2x t3 cruisers and a Rook on sisi in FFA 1. And the next mega i warped in there, and the Mega after that to.

Guess what i did, yes i did bring in a new battleship with ECCM after some tries and then they couldn't jam me much and i managed to kill some of them and they started to lose there and the rest warped out. Victory for me there i'll guessWink.







How is that's not like it is on TQ, if not, then i don't know what you take as most realistic TQ fights.


LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing


So jumping into the middile of a 13 man gang and losing 3 BS on the trot is how "real" pvp is done on TQ?........by r******s maybeShocked...Laughing


Then making up a silly story about fitting ECCM and pwning to try and sooth a well spanked bottom is just sad TBH.......in the delusion were they mid slot eccm....did you drop your web, point, mwd, or injector in your dream of victory?....Laughing

What explanation do you give in your delusion for the cruisers and frigs get within web range and then just sit still in that range long enough for a slow ass BS to kill them?.

Why are you such a sad and pathetic liar?...LaughingLaughing

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.04.07 10:27:00 - [1594]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 07/04/2009 10:42:12
Originally by: Childstar
Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 10:20:21

Originally by: Mag's
OMG Electric Universe NightmareX, just when I think you've posted the funniest thing ever, you come up with another gem. LaughingLaughing

Never stop posting.


He does post some gems but THIS i think is the crown jewel.Laughing

Originally by: NightmareX


No you don't have control of the fight in FFA 1 on sisi eitherRolling Eyes. Like right now, the Abaddon i tried got massivly spanked by 10 frigs, 2x t3 cruisers and a Rook on sisi in FFA 1. And the next mega i warped in there, and the Mega after that to.

Guess what i did, yes i did bring in a new battleship with ECCM after some tries and then they couldn't jam me much and i managed to kill some of them and they started to lose there and the rest warped out. Victory for me there i'll guessWink.







How is that's not like it is on TQ, if not, then i don't know what you take as most realistic TQ fights.


LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing


So jumping into the middile of a 13 man gang and losing 3 BS on the trot is how "real" pvp is done on TQ?........by r******s maybeShocked...Laughing


Then making up a silly story about fitting ECCM and pwning to try and sooth a well spanked bottom is just sad TBH.......in the delusion were they mid slot eccm....did you drop your web, point, mwd, or injector in your dream of victory?....Laughing

What explanation do you give in your delusion for the cruisers and frigs get within web range and then just sit still in that range long enough for a slow ass BS to kill them?.

Why are you such a sad and pathetic liar?...LaughingLaughing

Awesome dude, maybe you should look some posts back where you already replied to what you replied to now?.

Aww, memory problems lol?.

Anyways. No matter what you say, my Navy Mega with 3x damage mods does 24% more DPS than your Mega with Ogre II's and still have more EHP, so i'll guess it's a more DPS and EHP ship than the Abaddon anywaysLaughing.

Hmmm, you should really find another reply from me to quote the 2nd and maybe 3rd time so you have something more to whine overLaughing.

Anyways, about the Abaddon i tested on sisi in FFA 1. Yes, i still killed a t3 cruiser and like 4 other frigs and one normal t1 cruiser for my 3 BS losses there. I would call that for priceless.
Originally by: Mag's
OMG Electric Universe NightmareX, just when I think you've posted the funniest thing ever, you come up with another gem. LaughingLaughing

Never stop posting.

LOL, and your point with this post was to..........?????????????.

Yes i know what the point is. The point is that you don't know **** what to say other than yeah me Mag's are awesome because i write it here, and this poast is teh cool. So your the noob NightmareXLaughing.

Yeah that was a very very well explained post dude lol.

EDIT: Also Mag's, i think the player that is called Rivur'Tam, that is in the same corp as you are in can pretty much agree with me that the Gallente BS'es and eventually the Kronos is the most awesome RR gang BS'es today.

Childstar
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2009.04.07 10:41:00 - [1595]
 

Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 10:46:24
Originally by: NightmareX

Awesome dude, maybe you should look some posts back where you already replied to what you replied to now?.

Aww, memory problems lol?.


I have no memory problems, you were a liar then you are a liar now its that simple.

Originally by: NightmareX
Anyways. No matter what you say, my Navy Mega with 3x damage mods does 24% more DPS than your Mega with Ogre II's and still have more EHP, so i'll guess it's a more DPS and EHP ship than the Abaddon anywaysLaughing.


For your 600 million.

1. The same DPS as the standard mega with 3 mag stabs.Laughing

2. 2354 more EHP is just sad.Laughing

3. ALL weaker resists than my abaddon fit.Laughing

4. Insta primary and melt cos of being a faction ship.Laughing

Your navy mega fit sucks for TQ pvp, its a paper tiger fit for losers who never pvp in reality.Laughing

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.04.07 10:49:00 - [1596]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 07/04/2009 10:58:30
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX

Awesome dude, maybe you should look some posts back where you already replied to what you replied to now?.

Aww, memory problems lol?.


I have no memory problems, you were a liar then you are a liar now its that simple.

Originally by: NightmareX
Anyways. No matter what you say, my Navy Mega with 3x damage mods does 24% more DPS than your Mega with Ogre II's and still have more EHP, so i'll guess it's a more DPS and EHP ship than the Abaddon anywaysLaughing.


1. The same DPS as the standard mega with 3 mag stabs.Laughing

2. 2354 more EHP for 600 million is just sad.Laughing

3. ALL weaker resists than my abaddon fit.Laughing

4. Insta primary and melt cos of being a faction ship.Laughing

Your navy mega fit sucks for TQ pvp, its a paper tiger fit for losers who never pvp in reality.Laughing

Link to the proofs where i'm a liar?.

Ehm i rather made you the liar, because i did proove you wrong earlier in this topic. So you was lying. Because you was telling that your Abaddon did more DPS than my Navy Mega, and you was totally wrong like i always said.

I did give you the proofs that the Navy Mega does more DPS than the Abaddon up to 12.5 km with Caldari Navy Antimatter L ammo.

Wanna give me the maths again to proove that i'm wrongLaughing?.

1. Yeah, and if the DPS had been the same as a Nyx, then what?, it's still 1226 DPS no matter what ship you try to compare it toLaughing.

2. 300 mill isk of those 600 mill isk is easily paid only for the looks of the Navy Mega. So do i care?.

3. And your point is?. I still have more EHP than you so booohoo, cry some more.

4. A Navy Mega will not be melted if it's properly fitted. And that is when the Navy Mega isn't fitted with the uber fail fit with 3x damage modsLaughing. Any Battleship today that are an armor shipis is best to use 1 or 2 max damage mods anyways.

Post as much you like, but your not gonna prove ANYTHING before you give me the real maths and proof that the Abaddon is better than the Navy Mega in DPS and EHP.

Anyways, off for some hours. Now i really hope we can get the Nisaan 200SX S14a car to my friend to start today after he have been tuning his engine

Childstar
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2009.04.07 11:04:00 - [1597]
 

Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 13:29:06
Originally by: NightmareX

Link to the proofs where i'm a liar?.


Link to proof your not lying, after all you have a rather large PROVEN history of being totally full of crap.

Originally by: NightmareX
1. Yeah, and if the DPS had been the same as a Nyx, then what?, it's still 1226 DPS no matter what ship you try to compare it toLaughing.


Yes exactly the same as the standard mega...and yours costs 500 mil more...Laughing

Originally by: NightmareX
2. 300 mill isk of those 600 mill isk is easily paid only for the looks of the Navy Mega. So do i care?.


LOL just LOL.Laughing

Originally by: NightmareX
3. And your point is?. I still have more EHP than you so booohoo, cry some more.


2354 more EHP for 500 more million isk cost = LOL.

Originally by: NightmareX
4. A Navy Mega will not be melted if it's properly fitted. And that is when the Navy Mega isn't fitted with the uber fail fit with 3x damage modsLaughing.


At least you admit your silly fit is FAIL.......progress at last..Laughing



Originally by: NightmareX
Any Battleship today that are an armor ship is is best to use 1 or 2 max damage mods anyways.


The abaddon can easily fit 3 dmg mods and operate well due to the fact it can work at longer range than all the other races BS, as well as the fact its not a faction ship so will not be insta primaried.

Im not saying your navy mega has a bad tank on paper compared to standard BS cos its actually a good tank if it was on a normal BS. Its just that cos its a faction BS it will get insta primaried as well as costing around 600mil.

If you could get the EHP stats on your blaster rr navy mega on a blaster rr standard mega or at least close to them without spending tonnes of isk (roughly the same cost as my abaddon fit) that would make the standards mega a more reasonable gang ship considering the range it needs to operate in.

Roughly the same EHP as the abaddon but much less range due to blasters would be at least a little more balanced for gang combat. And if ppl still chose to fit rails then the reduced DPS from them would also balance things.

Gevic
Posted - 2009.04.07 11:08:00 - [1598]
 

Edited by: Gevic on 07/04/2009 11:09:27
You folks do know that this entire thread doesn't really further the case for or against changing blasters? Any dev looking at this thread is just going to see that 90% of the posts consists of bickering and bantering b/w NightmareX and Childstar and their respective alts.

It would probably be best if someone made a new topic and both of you just agreed to stick to ****ting up this thread. Or if both of you stopped posting. Forever.


Edit: I spel and grammers gud.

Childstar
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2009.04.07 11:08:00 - [1599]
 

Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 11:29:52
Originally by: NightmareX
Because you was telling that your Abaddon did more DPS than my Navy Mega, and you was totally wrong like i always said.


I did not say that, i clearly posted the exact raw dps figures from each ship and how much they hit each other for after resists.

Originally by: NightmareX
I did give you the proofs that the Navy Mega does more DPS than the Abaddon up to 12.5 km with Caldari Navy Antimatter L ammo.


You gave no proof, you just "claimed" it did with 0 proof or math to back it up.

But if you are right and can prove it do so, you are the one afraid of the truth not me, il even check myself if you like...?

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2009.04.07 11:11:00 - [1600]
 

Originally by: NightmareX
EDIT: Also Mag's, i think the player that is called Rivur'Tam, that is in the same corp as you are in can pretty much agree with me that the Gallente BS'es and eventually the Kronos is the most awesome RR gang BS'es today.


I'm glad you think you know him, but you'll find he spends most of his time in the Devoter. Wink
The Kronos is a great blasterboat, the reason is clear, but it's not for regular use. On TQ that is. Wink

Never stop posting Electric Universe NightmareX, it's pure entertainment. Very Happy

Cohkka
Celestial Apocalypse
death from above..
Posted - 2009.04.07 11:32:00 - [1601]
 

Originally by: Gevic
Edited by: Gevic on 07/04/2009 11:09:27
You folks do know that this entire thread doesn't really further the case for or against changing blasters? Any dev looking at this thread is just going to see that 90% of the posts consists of bickering and bantering b/w NightmareX and Childstar and their respective alts.

It would probably be best if someone made a new topic and both of you just agreed to stick to ****ting up this thread. Or if both of you stopped posting. Forever.


Edit: I spel and grammers gud.


That's not going to happen. Even when you open up multiple threads about blasters AND minmatar BS, Nightmare will just skip sleeping in order to maintain a 100% forum presence. It's not a big deal after all, he has just to skip eating and ****ing to maintain this thread in between all his RL commitments.

Childstar
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2009.04.07 11:39:00 - [1602]
 

Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 13:25:06


At 12.5km the navy mega does 703 raw gun dps.

As you insist on using ogre T2's that travel at 1050ms max speed the 317 dps from them is delayed for at least 13 seconds as they accelerate and travel 12.5km so you lose (317dps x 13 secs = 4121).......its gonna take you a while to make that up at 15dps...Rolling Eyes And thats just to reach the first ship, you lose more every time you switch target and they need to travel again.

At 12.5km the abaddon does 982 raw dps as i use gaurde T2 that give instant dmg.

The navy mega hits the abaddon at 12.5km for 172.43 gun dmg after resists.

The abaddon hits the navy mega at 12.5km for 247.66 dmg after resists.

Even when your drones eventually arrive the navy mega does less DPS at 12.5km than the abaddon after resists.

GTC seller72
Posted - 2009.04.07 12:01:00 - [1603]
 

Edited by: GTC seller72 on 07/04/2009 12:02:28
Originally by: Cohkka
Originally by: Gevic
Edited by: Gevic on 07/04/2009 11:09:27
You folks do know that this entire thread doesn't really further the case for or against changing blasters? Any dev looking at this thread is just going to see that 90% of the posts consists of bickering and bantering b/w NightmareX and Childstar and their respective alts.

It would probably be best if someone made a new topic and both of you just agreed to stick to ****ting up this thread. Or if both of you stopped posting. Forever.


Edit: I spel and grammers gud.


That's not going to happen. Even when you open up multiple threads about blasters AND minmatar BS, Nightmare will just skip sleeping in order to maintain a 100% forum presence. It's not a big deal after all, he has just to skip eating and ****ing to maintain this thread in between all his RL commitments.


Other than being a totally obsessive troll i cannot understand why NMX is doing it can you?.

I mean his faction fits and faction ships are never used in regular pvp ops on TQ, his ideas about how pvp is on TQ is so one dimentional and personalised to suit what ever he wants to try and claim that he is clearly making it up and has no real experiance in it.

I honestly think their is something seriously and mentally wrong with him as he is totally pathalogical on here, the mods would be doing him a big favor banning him and then his alts when he starts using them instead.

NMX with all due respect you need to stop now and maybe even get professional help.

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2009.04.07 14:31:00 - [1604]
 

K i havent read the 51 pages!
BUT.. I keep repeating myself on the subject: Increase blaster DMG by a large margin so its worthwile fitting them.

Blaters can be considered melee weapons, and in any game melee weapons have very high dmg to compensate traveling to the target and being exposed to all sorts of harm.

Now B-boats dont have the highest ECM resistance, nor the highest armor or shields, they arent the fastest either (infact they can be considered slow). In a realistic fitting you emphisize on covering one of its weakness, which in the end gives you more disadvatages in another field. So all that the blaster-boats have going for them is high DMG which isnt that high in the end.

Kane Starkiller
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.04.07 14:34:00 - [1605]
 

This thread is still going on?

Blasters were nerfed a while ago, get over it!

Get a date, get laid, or play something else but for god's sake stop whining!

Goumindong
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2009.04.07 15:50:00 - [1606]
 

Originally by: Childstar


The abaddon hits the mega harder by 42.82 dps that is 14.6% MORE.Wink






No, it doesn't the Mega in question has 8k more armor, 40% more than the Abaddon in question. In addition to the rest of the hit point disparities that means that the Mega is more efficient in this situation.

As more guns are dropped for more reps[or drones are dropped for reps], the mega gets even more efficient in comparison to the Abaddon.

Childstar
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2009.04.07 16:15:00 - [1607]
 

Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 16:29:31
Originally by: Goumindong


No, it doesn't the Mega in question has 8k more armor, 40% more than the Abaddon in question.


You will need to be a bit more specific about fits as you are not exactly known for you honesty.

Originally by: Goumindong
In addition to the rest of the hit point disparities that means that the Mega is more efficient in this situation.


I dunno what you mean by "the rest of the hit point disparities" when the abaddon has MORE hull HP than the mega (DCU give 60% res vs all dmg on both ships hull) and MORE shield HP, with the abad doing EM/TH dmg against shields.....

Still trying to use big words and vague comments to manipulate ppl gourmie?....you never learn.Laughing


Liang Nuren
Posted - 2009.04.07 16:30:00 - [1608]
 

Originally by: Goumindong

No, it doesn't the Mega in question has 8k more armor, 40% more than the Abaddon in question. In addition to the rest of the hit point disparities that means that the Mega is more efficient in this situation.

As more guns are dropped for more reps[or drones are dropped for reps], the mega gets even more efficient in comparison to the Abaddon.


What are you on about Goum - the more reps there are, the more efficient the Abaddons get. For an equal investment in both ships, it's ridiculously easy to set up the Abaddon fleet to wtfpwnbbq the Navy Mega fleet. It's RR effectiveness is almost twice what the Mega gets, and has the bonus of more ranged dps.

TBQFH, this entire discussion is useless because it doesn't address operational realities on TQ. You just don't fly triple MFS blaster megas (of any variety) in RR fleets. You're doomed to fail from the moment you fit the ship. Fit rails. Fit heavy boosters. Fit lots of resist/hp tank. Fit a large RR or two. Fit ECCM. Fit SeBo. Maybe, maybe fit a damage mod or two if you've got a metric crap-ton of HP.

-Liang

Childstar
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2009.04.07 16:36:00 - [1609]
 

Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 21:25:41

Originally by: Liang Nuren


TBQFH, this entire discussion is useless because it doesn't address operational realities on TQ. You just don't fly triple MFS blaster megas (of any variety) in RR fleets. You're doomed to fail from the moment you fit the ship. Fit rails. Fit heavy boosters. Fit lots of resist/hp tank. Fit a large RR or two. Fit ECCM. Fit SeBo. Maybe, maybe fit a damage mod or two if you've got a metric crap-ton of HP.

-Liang


Well at least somebody actually knows how to fit a RR mega properly but tbh the rail fit is not fun due to pg and cpu issues either so its still not particularly good and also shows just how poor blaster BS are when even a fail rail fit is prefered.Laughing

Gevic
Posted - 2009.04.07 16:38:00 - [1610]
 

Edited by: Gevic on 07/04/2009 16:38:38
Oh God, Godongs is here now. The final seal has been broken.

Leave blasters alone, ban CantStopPostingX from the forums (and SiSi) and give Childstar probation for continuously feeding him =p.

C/D ?

P.S. Dev's already said that they were going to look at blasterboats and determine if they need a change or not in another thread. I am afraid to post where cause those two will just move over their and **** up that thread too.

Goumindong
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2009.04.08 03:47:00 - [1611]
 

Edited by: Goumindong on 08/04/2009 03:51:10
Edited by: Goumindong on 08/04/2009 03:49:54
Originally by: Liang Nuren


What are you on about Goum - the more reps there are, the more efficient the Abaddons get. For an equal investment in both ships, it's ridiculously easy to set up the Abaddon fleet to wtfpwnbbq the Navy Mega fleet. It's RR effectiveness is almost twice what the Mega gets, and has the bonus of more ranged dps.
-Liang


No, the more reps the more guns the Abaddon loses in comparison to the Mega(which is relying more on drone DPS), the more guns the abaddon loses the more its DPS drops. The slight advantage in resistance is not offset by the drop in DPS.

As well, the lower number of armor hit points means the chances of volleying through armor are much higher on the Abaddon.

edit: don't know why you're discussing a navy mega, the normal mega is plenty fine for RR in this manner.

Quote:
You just don't fly triple MFS blaster megas (of any variety) in RR fleets


No one was suggesting it. The guy was claiming that a 3 HS abaddon was better than the 2 MFS mega, i was explaining why its not true.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2009.04.08 04:28:00 - [1612]
 

Originally by: Goumindong

edit: don't know why you're discussing a navy mega, the normal mega is plenty fine for RR in this manner.

Quote:
You just don't fly triple MFS blaster megas (of any variety) in RR fleets


No one was suggesting it. The guy was claiming that a 3 HS abaddon was better than the 2 MFS mega, i was explaining why its not true.


Did you bother reading the thread or are you doing the usual and just talking out your ass? It most certainly was suggested in earnest by the only blaster proponent here. Furthermore, as I mentioned, any talk of 'blasters' in the same sentence as 'RR gang' should be heavily discouraged except insomuch as to say don't do it!

-Liang

Goumindong
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2009.04.08 04:43:00 - [1613]
 

Maybe you are the one who should be reading the thread... That i was responding to a post 5 pages ago and not responding to Nightmare x should have been pretty apparent to those paying attention for the last 20 or so pages.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2009.04.08 04:53:00 - [1614]
 

Originally by: Goumindong
Maybe you are the one who should be reading the thread... That i was responding to a post 5 pages ago and not responding to Nightmare x should have been pretty apparent to those paying attention for the last 20 or so pages.


Maybe you should look at which posts you quoted and the context in which it was quoted. You most certainly were responding to 'contemporary' posts, and 'contemporary' posts are making reference to the Navy Mega. Which you directly mentioned. Don't try to bull**** me son.

-Liang

Traderboz
SlaveMart
Posted - 2009.04.08 04:57:00 - [1615]
 

There are way too many fits in this thread (many of them loltastic) for anyone to know what specific fit other people are referring to. Razz

I personally had nfc what fit(s) you guys are referring to, but hopefully it doesn't have a medium cap booster and a RR on it. Laughing

Childstar
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2009.04.08 11:55:00 - [1616]
 

Edited by: Childstar on 08/04/2009 16:26:48

Originally by: Goumindong
No one was suggesting it. The guy was claiming that a 3 HS abaddon was better than the 2 MFS mega, i was explaining why its not true.


The discussion was about DPS and how claims of "30% MORE DMG FROM BLASTERS THAN LASERS" that liars like YOU preach about every time ppl try to fix blasters and especially BS blasters is totally wrong given available and contemporary fits.

Any way the 3 x HS RR abaddon IS better than the 2 x MFS RR blaster mega, and the 3 x MFS RR blaster mega for that matter.Very Happy



Originally by: Goumindong
As well, the lower number of armor hit points means the chances of volleying through armor are much higher on the Abaddon.


The 3 x HS RR abaddon can fit 2 x 1600 plates and a eanm for 138,344 EHP (32,128 armour 4k more than the mega) with HIGHER resists than the mega.

Or it can fit 2 x eanm with 1 plate for 134,371 EHP (24,144 armour, 4K less than the mega) but with MASSIVLY higher resists.

The abaddon can fit either way depending on the size of RR gang, in a smaller RR gang that will not be fighting massive blobs it can fit the higher resistance fit as it does not need to worry about monster alpha.

And in larger gangs it can fit the twin plated fit that still has higher resists than the mega but also more armour HP.


Originally by: Goumindong
edit: don't know why you're discussing a navy mega, the normal mega is plenty fine for RR in this manner.


Cos NMX lost evey argument involving the standad mega and needed desperatly to win any sort of argument and so started telling us about these mythgical RR navy mega blaster gangs that roam around TQ and how uber they are...he is a even worse liar than you...LaughingLaughing

Originally by: Goumindong


No, the more reps the more guns the Abaddon loses in comparison to the Mega(which is relying more on drone DPS), the more guns the abaddon loses the more its DPS drops. The slight advantage in resistance is not offset by the drop in DPS.


Wrong actually as the less guns each ship has the less EM dmg the abaddon does relative to its raw DPS, and the less KINETIC dmg blasters do relative to their raw dps.

With 7 guns each:

The mega does 1132 raw dps.
The abad does 982. raw dps.

= -150 raw dps.

With 6 guns each:

The mega does 1013 raw dps from 0-4.5km.
The abad does 867. raw dps from 0-15km.

= -146 raw dps.

LaughingSo -4 raw dps...LaughingLaughing

Now shall we take into account that the laser ship is now doing less EM dmg relative to its over all raw DPS and that the mega is now doing LESS kinetic relative to its over all DPS????.LaughingLaughing

The real time dmg done by reducing the number of guns is actually very level going from 7 guns each to 6 after resists.

Mega with 7 = 293.4 dps from 0-4.5km.
Abad with 7 = 325.3 dps from 0-15km.

So about 10% differance.

Mega with 6 = 261.86 dps.
Abad with 6 = 288.25 dps.

Again about 10% differance.

Wanna tell some more lies gourmie?.....you never learn.Rolling EyesLaughingLaughing





Laur Khal
Posted - 2009.04.08 15:19:00 - [1617]
 

i'm not sure there's a winner in this thread but the loser is definitely NightmareX.

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.04.08 15:45:00 - [1618]
 

Mother of god, NightmareX are you seriously trying to compare a Navy Megathron to an Abaddon? what the ****?

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.04.08 18:41:00 - [1619]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 08/04/2009 18:50:57
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Mother of god, NightmareX are you seriously trying to compare a Navy Megathron to an Abaddon? what the ****?

I just proved that Gallente had the best DPS, EHP and RR combined shipWink. Nothing more.

Dominix is the best RR BS, but lack DPS and EHP.

Or maybe we can say the Abaddon is overpowered and need to be nerfed when we have to use a faction BS to compare it with when we are comparing ship to an Abaddon and then the Abaddon pretty much have the same stats at the faction ships.

Faction BS'es are more like Tech 1.5. And the Abaddon is still T1. So because of the bonuses on the Abaddon and when it have pretty much the same stats as Navy Mega, then yeah.....
Originally by: Laur Khal
i'm not sure there's a winner in this thread but the loser is definitely NightmareX.

Oh look, another alt is used to say that. Hahah, you clearly don't have the balls to post with your main. And that means you fail.

Or maybe this is one of your 86549673498573 alts Childstar / maralt?.

EDIT: Yes CCP have ONLY said that they are going to look at Blasters, but it doesn't mean they are going to chance them at all.

CCP have also said that they are going to look into faction ships to, so the faction ships like the Navy Mega might get changed to.

Childstar
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2009.04.08 18:53:00 - [1620]
 

Edited by: Childstar on 08/04/2009 18:58:30
Originally by: NightmareX

Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Mother of god, NightmareX are you seriously trying to compare a Navy Megathron to an Abaddon? what the ****?

I just proved that Gallente had the best DPS, EHP and RR combined shipWink. Nothing more.


You proved that the MEGA is the WORST not the best.

Originally by: NightmareX
Dominix is the best RR BS, but lack DPS and EHP.


Its the best gallente RR BS, but its not the best when compared to the other races available ships.

Originally by: NightmareX
Or maybe we can say the Abaddon is owerpowered and need to be nerfed when we have to use a faction BS to compare with when we are comparing ship to an Abaddon and then the Abaddon pretty much have the same stats at the faction ships.


Its not the abaddon thats the problem its blasters and the PG/CPU of the mega and hyperion.


Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Laur Khal
i'm not sure there's a winner in this thread but the loser is definitely NightmareX.

Oh look, another alt is used to say that. Hahah, you clearly don't have the balls to post with your main. And that means you fail.

Or maybe this is one of your 86549673498573 alts Childstar / maralt?.


How much money does it cost to run enough accounts to have 86549673498573 alts????...you are such a tool...LaughingLaughing

Its not a alt of mine, and comments about having the balls for posting with mains would be better recieved from ppl who did not praise their own mains on alts like you did to yourself with electric.LaughingLaughing

L.O.S.E.R.Laughing


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