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duck eh
Posted - 2009.03.02 00:52:00 - [1]
 

Im getting a Drake for purly missions and just wondering should i put armor plats and repper amd load it up with heavy missile launchers or go for something more tatical kinda new so thx :)

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2009.03.02 01:25:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 02/03/2009 01:28:15

Armored Drake is a workable but unconventional PvP setup that you only rarely see. I wouldn't try it in missions, for two reasons. The first is that armor buffers are not viable for missions due to the fact that they don't recharge HP like shields, and the second is that there's no way to tank with armor on a Drake nearly as well as you can tank with shields. One armor repper on a battlecruiser that fits plates in the other lows won't provide the tank you need for missions, since resistance mods are so essential.

There are two main types of Drake mission setups that I'm aware of, the shield regen tank and the shield resistance buffer tank. I don't like the regen tank because you don't have room for BCUs in the lows. My setup that solo's any level 4 without having to warp off, with rare exceptions, is as follows. If you like it run it in EFT with your skills, because it's fitting-intensive. If you can't fit it, I'd almost want to say drop a hardener and keep the burner, because mobility does wonders for reducing incoming damage. Alternatively keep all the hardeners and the burner, but drop down a size on one of the extenders.

HIGH
7x HML II

MID
10mn AB
2x LSE II
3x active hardeners

LOW
DCU II
3x BCU II

Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
Posted - 2009.03.02 02:12:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Terminus Vindictus on 02/03/2009 02:14:24
Edited by: Terminus Vindictus on 02/03/2009 02:13:13
Drake has more mids than lows, so that's your first indication that it's meant to shield tank, and not armor tank. Drake also has a bonus to shield tanking, so that's your second indication that it's meant to shield tank. A third indication would be that it's a Caldari ship, and most Caldari ships are intended to shield tank.

Having said that, there's nothing wrong with attempting new and unconventional loadouts, so if you want to armor tank it for missions go for it, and don't let the naysayers tell you the only good Drake is a passive shield Drake, because it's not true. You may run into an issue of not having enough lows to fit sufficient armor tanking to tank the missions you want, but if your tanking skills are in Mechanic and not in Engineering then it may work for you. Play around with EFT to know for sure. You'll need about 200 rat-specific tank for L3 missions, and about 600 for L4's - maybe more since without BCUs you'll have mediocre DPS.

Chssmius
legio immortalorum
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.02 03:18:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Chssmius on 02/03/2009 03:27:19
As has been mentioned, the drake's slot layout, bonuses, and that it is caldari heavily lean it to shield tanking.


However, from my experience, an origional/unexpected fit, if otherwise reasonably valid as a pvp platform, can perform exceptionally well on the unawares. Your biggest problem here is your damage mods need lows, as do armor tanking mods. So your tank would not be very significant and your damage would be rather puny.


BUT, you are looking at doing missions and for that I would not bother with armor tanking unless you have absolutely no other choice. Even poor shield tanking skills would probably get better results than armor tanking.

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HIGH
7x HML II

MID
10mn AB
2x LSE II
3x active hardeners

LOW
DCU II
3x BCU II


Looks decent, I would throw a Drone Link Augmentor in the high. I actually use the following:

HIGH
7x HML(Meta 1,2, or 4)
1x DLA

MID
1x 10MN AB T2
2x PWNAGE
2x active hardeners T2(mission specific)
1x Large Booster(best named)

LOW
1x PDS T2
3x BCU T2

Kaltar Bok
Posted - 2009.03.02 03:21:00 - [5]
 

Troll.

Chssmius
legio immortalorum
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.02 03:28:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Kaltar Bok
Troll.

Troll?

LOL

duck eh
Posted - 2009.03.02 22:53:00 - [7]
 

ok so no armor tank :( how would i go about sheils tanking never did i switching from minmatar to caldari cause minmatar fails what would i put on for sheild tank?

Gartel Reiman
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2009.03.03 14:04:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: duck eh
what would i put on for sheild tank?

Time to do a little background reading on tanking.

Kavu
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.03.03 17:06:00 - [9]
 

obvious troll is obvious

Peckles
The Reformists of the West
Posted - 2009.03.03 20:12:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Chssmius

HIGH
7x HML(Meta 1,2, or 4)
1x DLA

MID
1x 10MN AB T2
2x PWNAGE
2x active hardeners T2(mission specific)
1x Large Booster(best named)

LOW
1x PDS T2
3x BCU T2



Why the double painters? What are you shooting with HM's that you have such a hard time hitting?

Dracthera
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.03.03 23:11:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Peckles

Why the double painters? What are you shooting with HM's that you have such a hard time hitting?


That's actually not a half-bad idea for L3 missions where shielding isn't that much of an issue, and there's lots of frigates. 2 painters would allow you to split fire - you can take down two frigates at once in short order with 3 heavies and a painter on each. At least that's how I would use that loadout.

Peckles
The Reformists of the West
Posted - 2009.03.04 01:46:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Dracthera


That's actually not a half-bad idea for L3 missions where shielding isn't that much of an issue, and there's lots of frigates. 2 painters would allow you to split fire - you can take down two frigates at once in short order with 3 heavies and a painter on each. At least that's how I would use that loadout.


I guess you could do that, I have always just let my drones deal with all the frigs while I take care of the Cruisers/BCs.

Dracthera
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.03.04 04:17:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Peckles

I guess you could do that, I have always just let my drones deal with all the frigs while I take care of the Cruisers/BCs.


Sure, but keep in mind that painters do help against cruisers, and with a Drake you'll run out of BCs pretty fast. Once that happens, all you're left with are frigs since your drones will be slower to kill all of them before you kill the bigger ships, then the painters come in handy. Heck, even if you're having drones kill frigs, painting those frigs helps out your drones as well. So any way you slice it, painters are a nice DPS booster. I have a PWNAGE on my L4 ship just for that reason.

duck eh
Posted - 2009.03.05 01:00:00 - [14]
 

I got Ahead of myself sorry unexpected things Corp war and My maker Required more than what i had so for now...... Well in corp war i got owned by some ultra sheild tanker i need to fits one for PvP and one for missions For Carcal only pvp cause i gots a death threat and ive only been playing for lie 2 months :) well sorry and thanks for anything.


 

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