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Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2009.02.28 20:56:00 - [1]
 

As there has been quite a lot of discussion regarding the classic client's demise, I decided to test the new low-quality mode of the premium client.

As my main gaming rig runs the premium client with ease, I decided to test it with my laptop, which normally runs the classic client at around 20 FPS @ 1280x1200. The configuration is as follows:

Dell Inspiron 1525
CPU: 2 GHz Celeron 550
GPU: Intel GMA X3100
RAM: 2 Gb DDR2

The system is running Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit, and has a Windows performance index of 3.2, with the Intel video chip being the weak link.

As it's perhaps one of the most important areas, I tried ship spinning first.
I usually get around 20 FPS with the classic client here, and I can't see much difference with the new client.

Ouside station the FPS was pretty much the same as I'm used to, around 25 FPS.
Zooming in on a station had quite a hit on performance, and the FPS dropped to around 10-15, while looking the other way boosted the FPS to almost 30. Much higher that with the classic client.

The new warp effects are cool (but seriously, CCP, it looks as if I'm MWD'ing through super glue when doing it; please make it look speedier). The FPS hit 40 sometime mid-warp.

Asteroid belts don't affect FPS as they used to. Looking at the new pretty roids makes the FPS drop to around 15 FPS, where I'd get 10 with the classic.
Ratting works perfectly fine, but the lack of targets made it hard for me to test PvP.

All in all, I feel that the premium light mode will be perfectly fine as a replacement for the classic client. It looks a little more shiny, and performance is usually equal or better in comparison.

Dark Soldat
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.02.28 21:10:00 - [2]
 

I approve this.

Haakelen
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.02.28 21:20:00 - [3]
 

My computer's not that great, and I'm getting better fps (running a single client) with premium in the sisi build than I do with classic on the tq build. Premium lite is a nice improvement with dual clients. Hopefully CCP will keep fixing the memory leaks and improve the client, if the sisi client is any indication they're doing a good job so far.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2009.02.28 21:53:00 - [4]
 

Sounds very good, it will probably become an increasing worry for some as M10 approaches.

What/why does the SiSi client makes it perform better with better graphics?
Is the classic a pot-pourri of code where the premium is "purer" and thus faster?

It is counter-intuitive as better usually means slower in this day and age.

Dark Soldat
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.02.28 22:03:00 - [5]
 

The classic client is old not mentioning the new content but the graphics havent changed that much so its pritty primitive

Khlitouris RegusII
Posted - 2009.02.28 22:08:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Sounds very good, it will probably become an increasing worry for some as M10 approaches.

What/why does the SiSi client makes it perform better with better graphics?
Is the classic a pot-pourri of code where the premium is "purer" and thus faster?

It is counter-intuitive as better usually means slower in this day and age.


The old classic client was extremely cpu limited, graphics cards made hardly any difference in performance with the newer clients a lot of the graphic work is offloaded to the gpu increasing performance.

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2009.02.28 23:30:00 - [7]
 

It's great to hear that you are seeing good performance of the new Premium "Lite" on SiSi compared to the Classic on TQ.

Darwin's Market
Posted - 2009.03.01 00:09:00 - [8]
 

wow you nubs, that's cause you are on sisi where the load is smaller

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2009.03.01 00:13:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Darwin's Market
wow you nubs, that's cause you are on sisi where the load is smaller


Load? Server load shouldn't have much (and only indirectly, if any) affect on any individuals graphic performance.

Haakelen
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.03.01 00:18:00 - [10]
 

You'll note I mentioned the memory leaks, including the ones caused by big channels. Perhaps the singularity channel wasn't big or spammy enough to trigger it, but I didn't get as noticable hangups from it.

Korizan
Hysterically Unforgiving
Posted - 2009.03.01 00:18:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Korizan on 01/03/2009 00:21:36

Originally by: Darwin's Market
wow you nubs, that's cause you are on sisi where the load is smaller


Umm the discussion was about client lag NOT server lag.
I would hope you know the difference ?
And I have to agree even newer computers are getting better performance as well.



plastastic
Posted - 2009.03.01 00:26:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Darwin's Market
wow you nubs, that's cause you are on sisi where the load is smaller


There are two types of lag in eve Server side and player side.
Sever side your client will be running fine except everything will have a delay(this is effected by server load and not your computer)examples: being fleet fights or jita on the weekends.

Client side lag is were the player computer cannot handle the information so it start makeing the game very choppy and sometimes unplayable next time your in a fight with more then 300 people turn on the brackets you will see lag caused by your computer droping the FPS down to 1 or 2 to load everything new. This has everything to do with your computer and nothing to do with server load.

Clair Bear
Ursine Research and Production
Posted - 2009.03.01 01:18:00 - [13]
 

I think what the caustic troll was saying is: on tranq you would be seeing a lot more models, polygons, brackets and CPU load due to processing events from many more other players in system. So comparing FPS across the two is not valid.

I'm very glad to hear even an intel GPU can run the new client. This means many laptops will still be able to access eve and even the cheapest of budget video cards for desktops will still be overkill.

Agent Unknown
Caldari
Posted - 2009.03.01 01:26:00 - [14]
 

Can't wait to see its performance when you jump to Jita Twisted Evil

James Duar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.03.01 02:57:00 - [15]
 

I'm going to be a bastard and complain anyway:

I think I'd be much much happier if we could get a mode which stripped down EVE gameplay to it's bare essentials. I mean in a fleet fight I *don't* need to see models for anything at all - I'd be content if I could get smooth FPS with all brackets shown only.

As it is right now I play mostly with effects and drone models turned off anyway. Can I turn off the ship models and just get some size proportional icons?

Darwin's Market
Posted - 2009.03.01 03:19:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Korizan
And I have to agree even newer computers are getting better performance as well.


duh, it's a NEWER FASTER computer!

Metlec
Posted - 2009.03.01 03:56:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Darwin's Market
Originally by: Korizan
And I have to agree even newer computers are getting better performance as well.


duh, it's a NEWER FASTER computer!


Are you being intentionally dim?

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2009.03.01 04:16:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Nova Fox on 01/03/2009 04:20:01
How to graphically simulate Jita 4-4 on sisi

Get moved or fly to the test system FD

Goto the FFA1 battlefield

turn render drones on

???

enjoy?


Other than that Im glad to hear the lesser tenchnology folks are able to play eve still after mar 10th, feel sorry for those people with 10 year old laptops however, just one question for those folks. How'd do you keep your laptops alive for so long?

sarako
Posted - 2009.03.01 12:35:00 - [19]
 

my back up computer is a laptop 1.6 ghz with 1 gig onboard and it ran clasic acceptable,,(enough to do basic gameplay like checking skills or hauling or mining)
im concerned that the new graphics will be beyond my lap top even though my laptop istill a lite duty workhorse (more for portability that brute force)

Ruoska
Posted - 2009.03.01 15:00:00 - [20]
 

I welcome this message of hope. I will still wait a little time before trying to run multiple instances myself to compare that performance.

Atleast now I will be hopeful about it :)

Gonada
The Scope
Posted - 2009.03.01 15:34:00 - [21]
 

its time to get with the times.

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2009.03.01 22:56:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Clair Bear
I think what the caustic troll was saying is: on tranq you would be seeing a lot more models, polygons, brackets and CPU load due to processing events from many more other players in system. So comparing FPS across the two is not valid.

I'm very glad to hear even an intel GPU can run the new client. This means many laptops will still be able to access eve and even the cheapest of budget video cards for desktops will still be overkill.

While this is true, I still feel that the new premium client feels much faster, as even the login screen FPS is higher. I don't expect to be able to fight any fleet battles, but I spent 30 minutes making epic pew pew on 0.0 rats today, framerates are higher than when fighting the same kind of rats in the same system on TQ.
I am going to try some fighting in FD tomorrow and see what the performance is like.

Camulos
Gallente
Kojima Exports
Posted - 2009.03.02 04:02:00 - [23]
 

I just tried the new Lite client on my Aspire One Netbook running xp. So far, compaired to the classic client, im finding it runs a lot better. With classic, i have everything turned off and its still has a low fps (5-10). But with the Lite client on the sisi, my fps is running at around 20 out in space. My system still hangs real bad outside of the station everyone hangs out in on sisi, but its still playable. I wouldnt pvp or pve, but trades and mining are very do-able.

Thanks ccp for optimizing the client, im really impressed! I was really scared that i wouldnt be able to play anymore on my netbook.

Mrs Snowman
Posted - 2009.03.02 14:54:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Darwin's Market
wow you nubs, that's cause you are on sisi where the load is smaller


Wow you nub, its the test server and therfore wont perform as well as the main server. On the main server I'd probably expect even better performance.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.03.02 15:00:00 - [25]
 

I get from around 20% better to around 40% better FPS with the lowest settings on SiSi compared to the lowest settings on TQ, depending on circumstances.
From my standpoint, awesome.

Chigger Troutslayer
Internet Spaceship Gamers
RED Citizens
Posted - 2009.03.02 15:50:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Chigger Troutslayer on 02/03/2009 15:52:02
Edited by: Chigger Troutslayer on 02/03/2009 15:50:59
Running a 2ghz Celeron D and FX5500 GeForce, 3GB DDR2. My impressions from SISI, FPS is worse, and textures on ships not as crisp as on the classic client at low settings. While playable for basic stuff (not sure I could PVP inits current state), a trip to W-space turned to a slide show of my Broadsword being PWN'd by a fleet of about 20 sleepers, not that I would have survived, but would be nice to see more than "oh, they are targeting me... 10sec later... Oh, they are shooting me, (/me tries to target a sleeper but the mouse wont move) ... 10 sec later .... Oh, in a pod.... /me tries to get the lagging mouse to enter command to warp out of there... finally manage to warp and the fps turns to normal marginal rate I've been getting on SISI. I was on vent with a corpmate at the time but that shouldn't make that much difference. I mean I can aggro up a whole room of a L4 on TQ with more ships than this sleeper anomolie and have no issues with frame rate, while talking on vent at the same time.

Haakelen
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.03.02 16:52:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Akita T
I get from around 20% better to around 40% better FPS with the lowest settings on SiSi compared to the lowest settings on TQ, depending on circumstances.
From my standpoint, awesome.


This is to be expected, of course, since premium lite looks considerably worse than classic Laughing.

Not that I can remember spending very much time scrolled in close enough to see anything, anyway.

Bish Ounen
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cult of War
Posted - 2009.03.02 23:25:00 - [28]
 

Has anyone tested the lite client in Wine?

Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.03.03 00:23:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Maestro Ulv on 03/03/2009 00:24:24

Originally by: Haakelen
since premium lite looks considerably worse than classic.


Very true, especialy the repping/boosting effects, its like tron would be if made in the 1920s.

Overlord Havok
Caldari
Alpha-Squadron
Posted - 2009.03.03 02:02:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Overlord Havok on 03/03/2009 02:39:32
Edited by: Overlord Havok on 03/03/2009 02:17:11
Edited by: Overlord Havok on 03/03/2009 02:08:50
I'm not worried about the client working on MY machine because I can run it just fine, I have basically the same setup as the first post with more ram. My problem with the new clients performance is that it will stop paying players from playing eve. Be it pilots I shoot at or pilots I fly with there is a chance we will all now be loosing out because of the lack of attendance, for a "premium-lite" client that doesnt dazzle me enough to sacrifice having MORE PLAYERS in EVE. This is a great MMO but we need more players not less. I don't know what research CCP has done on this subject but I do know this; Regardless if people have machines good enough to play there will be less attendace as a result of the higher requirements of the client. I have a feeling the number of people who use classic as a "back up" on other machines(On there lunch break at work, or at a family members house- Basically anywhere they can't carry there machine with them) is probably a LOT larger than CCP is anticipating. Which will result in less people to play against/with when I want to play. I know I personally log in from a number of locations at present. Premium with my main client usually at night. I also log in with the classic client whenever I don't have my machine available to me. Once the classic client is discontinued, I will no longer be able to do so. And I'm quite sure I'm not the only person who uses classic as a last resort to play when there are no other means. Which will probably result in lower numbers of playing eve because not only is it REQUIRED to have a better machine, but also because it is no longer convienent to play unless they are in front of ONE SPECIFIC machine they can use to play.

I know this is off subject but it does deal with performance because people who are unable to run it will soon be leaving. So that fact that 'tomorrow' it(the entire game) will not be "performing" at all on something it "performed" fine on 'yesterday' is definately a performance issue. It is a mistake and a huge issue that I hope does not bite eve in the ass. Escpecially since I've invested so much time and effort into this game, as I'm sure the paying players who have been using classic since day one have. It's funny how you get rewarded for some things these days isn't it?

IN ADDITION: TO ANY DEV.'S -DELL, AMONGST OTHERS HAVE LIMITED DRIVER SUPPORT FOR INTELS GMAx3100 CHIPSET AND WILL ONLY LET YOU INSTALL THE MANUFACTURERS DRIVERS(DELL, ETC, ETC) DRIVER SET FOR SAID CHIPSET. EVEN INTEL'S DRIVERS WILL POURPOSELY FAIL TO INSTALL AND TELL YOU TO CHECK WITH YOUR MANUFACTURER FOR YOUR DRIVER - LIMITING EVEN MORE PEOPLE FROM PLAYING THE GAME, EVEN THOSE WHO MEET THE HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS

EX: If you are not farmiliar yourself with forcing drivers to install, and you have a Dell Inspiron 1525(TESTED) you can only accept drivers from dell and NOT from Intel. Dell will let you install Intel V 7.?.?? driver at BEST which turns off most of the features of the x3100. Reducing something that exceeds hardware requirements to a Pixel Shader 1.0 state. (Intel is up to version 15 or so.) Stopping it from running Premium-Lite. The first post is either fluent with computers way above and beyond eve, or new drivers have been released. But as of 2 weeks ago I had to force drivers just to test premium lite. - Meaning if anyone else has this problem of manufacturer lazyness even less people will be able to play :(


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