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Atropos Kahn
Caldari
Imminent Ruin
Posted - 2009.02.25 21:03:00 - [1]
 

I have been beating around 0.0 for almost 4 years now... participating in the constant battle for moons, sytems, and whole regions of space. I have partaken in many a victory as well as defeat and slaughter. I have lost it all just to gain it all and lose it all again. You veteran pilots know the story, we all share it. And it will continue to be this way untill I quit the game, or CCP closes up shop. Kill or be Killed.

I wonder though, does all this fighting to conquer and re-conquer space have an everlasting effect on our RL psyche. All the epicness that EVE brings.. The drama that we create for ourselves concerning Goons, Bob, or whoever can be traced to similar epicness in our own RL histories, like the Romans, Persians, or Greeks. We are all playing it all out again in VR. It is grand and it is full of awesomeness and such. But does it effect you outside the game. CCP talks about how EVE is more of a web 2.0 social network rather than a game, but I am begining to notice that the stakes are getting ever higher. With the crash of the BOB alliance as the most recent epicness to cross our history, has more than towers been lost? Have relationships and social norms that have been entrenched for years and suddenly lost effect our RL that we had not anticipated. There is a lot of personal investment that each of us make into our VL lives in EVE, but more so into our corps and alliance mates. Can these sudden losses and gains give us post tramatic stress? With that same thought though, maybe that is why people like Chirbba and things like mining is so appealing to some in the end, even if for a short while. Sort of an escape from the constant waring. I don't know. I wanted to just throw it out there considering we will all most likely be playing for a long time to come.

And since I know how COAD treats it's posters... let the fail cascading responses commence!

VCBee2888
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.02.25 21:04:00 - [2]
 

don't get mad at vidya games

Fat Ducker
Amarr
Lucky Hydra Corp
Posted - 2009.02.25 21:11:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: VCBee2888
don't get mad at vidya games


Kinda funny coming from Goons who are the new queens of 'taking seriously', COAD bragging of their pvp prowess and cap blobs, and generally being like BoB of 2006.

Courthouse
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.02.25 21:15:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Fat Ducker
Originally by: VCBee2888
don't get mad at vidya games


Kinda funny coming from Goons who are the new queens of 'taking seriously', COAD bragging of their pvp prowess and cap blobs, and generally being like BoB of 2006.


I wonder if irony had any part to play in that, like if we were reposting BoB posts from 2006 with specific names changed...

Harry Besebes
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.02.25 21:43:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Courthouse
Originally by: Fat Ducker
Originally by: VCBee2888
don't get mad at vidya games


Kinda funny coming from Goons who are the new queens of 'taking seriously', COAD bragging of their pvp prowess and cap blobs, and generally being like BoB of 2006.


I wonder if irony had any part to play in that, like if we were reposting BoB posts from 2006 with specific names changed...


Stop fakeposting.

O Thief
Amarr
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2009.02.25 21:46:00 - [6]
 

Its actually an interesting point.

Many people lead crushingly dull lives.

Many people suffer from depression.

Many people actively seek escapism.

Many people are predisposed to addiction of any kind.

Since geekdom tends to be associated with comparative social isolation, it's no suprise that a great many EVE players are far from balanced human beings.


suicide
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.02.25 22:00:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: suicide on 25/02/2009 22:01:37
IRON are not allowed to post on COAD, but I would notice that this posting is far too sensible, non-partisan, and interesting to show up here. Perhaps moving this to a more sane category would get more mileage.

That being said here is my reply:

I view EVE as a bit of a flight simulator for RL. You mention that the drama that plays out is very similar to the rise and fall of various societies. Well that is because EVE is played by real people. Many of the same things apply to EVE that apply to real life. Perhaps the timescale is faster, perhaps the markets are a bit wilder (actually may not :) ).

A lot of the foundations for society, militaries, and leadership, and corporate structures come from RL. The archetypes are quite similar. Feelings will be hurt, having 6 months (or 3 years) of work getting wiped off the map by the Mongolian Hordes who are out for a laugh is really really ****ing annoying.

It is my belief that EVE has changed the people who play it. Giving them a chance to be in a position of power, exposing them to unbuffered agression from enemies, with nobody but their allies to go running to. It requires good RL skills to be successful in an organization involving people. Hopefully it won't be damaging and that it will be enlightening.

On a personal note, the striving for money and power and wealth is really quite pointless isn't it. Maybe we should all be focus on loving and caring for each other and focus on having fun. Alas, combat is sooo much fun!! The human condition continues....

Avernus
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.02.25 22:01:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: O Thief


Since geekdom tends to be associated with comparative social isolation, it's no suprise that a great many EVE players are far from balanced human beings.



What in the 4 posts above yours gave you that impression???

Archdart
Caldari
SOL Industries
Cyberdyne Systems Alliance
Posted - 2009.02.25 22:02:00 - [9]
 

these thread will soon be closed as it is not constructive, you wait and see. Lots of good points here though . I would say if people play the game for a few hours a day they will probably be OK those that invest huge amount of time are going to be the ones to suffer like anyone who is addicted to anything it detracts from their ability or even desire to deal with anything else.

The ChurchWarden
Amarr
The Zombie Horde
Posted - 2009.02.25 22:06:00 - [10]
 

ya, I don't think we can suffer an actual disorder unless someone is so tied to the game that they suffer a psychological blow. But in those cases it's probably the closest human interaction they've ever felt. Still I will say that the majority of eve players are not the common individual.

I would say that EvE players all share the desire to be challanged. EvE has never been the game for the faint of heart and even the most newbly carebear, hardcore pvper, failure alliance all have something in common. They choose one of the most challenging and time consuming MMO's on the market. The only MMO I can even imagine coming close to actually requiring your time is Lineage II which is also a highly pvp oriented game.

Plus lets be honest, we're all waiting for EvE to create matrix like head jacks. If your not then your either squeamish of jacking into a computer or you need to go watch the matrix.

Archdart
Caldari
SOL Industries
Cyberdyne Systems Alliance
Posted - 2009.02.25 22:09:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: The ChurchWarden
ya, I don't think we can suffer an actual disorder unless someone is so tied to the game that they suffer a psychological blow. But in those cases it's probably the closest human interaction they've ever felt. Still I will say that the majority of eve players are not the common individual.

I would say that EvE players all share the desire to be challanged. EvE has never been the game for the faint of heart and even the most newbly carebear, hardcore pvper, failure alliance all have something in common. They choose one of the most challenging and time consuming MMO's on the market. The only MMO I can even imagine coming close to actually requiring your time is Lineage II which is also a highly pvp oriented game.

Plus lets be honest, we're all waiting for EvE to create matrix like head jacks. If your not then your either squeamish of jacking into a computer or you need to go watch the matrix.
"head jacks' 'jacking into a computer' could perhaps have been phrased differently, you think.

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.02.25 22:18:00 - [12]
 

Yes, often I compare myself to various important historical events. It gives me a sense of importance that I do not have in the real world.

Haradgrim
Caldari
Systematic Mercantilism
Posted - 2009.02.25 23:41:00 - [13]
 

put the keyboard down and step away from the computer!

Fortiter
Gallente
APEX ARDENT COALITION
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.02.25 23:48:00 - [14]
 

You spelled traumatic wrong

Shinma Apollo
Caldari
BURN EDEN
Posted - 2009.02.25 23:53:00 - [15]
 

People call my fleets suicide ops; I cut myself Shocked

Dark Sidhe
Minmatar
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.02.26 00:04:00 - [16]
 

The crazy thing is that my RL is crazy busy. Like many, I have kids, a wife etc. Squeezing time out for EvE can be stressful itself. However, shooting up folks is a kind of stress reliever, sick as it may sound. There have been times where I've been bummed if things go to **it in-game but then I remember....

It's just a game.

Bismaru's Ambition
Amarr
Trigrams Edge
Posted - 2009.02.26 01:14:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: O Thief
Its actually an interesting point.

Many people lead crushingly dull lives.

Many people suffer from depression.

Many people actively seek escapism.

Many people are predisposed to addiction of any kind.

Since geekdom tends to be associated with comparative social isolation, it's no suprise that a great many EVE players are far from balanced human beings.




...guess thats required to be in Goonfail

James Duar
Gallente
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.02.26 02:41:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: O Thief
Its actually an interesting point.

Many people lead crushingly dull lives.

Many people suffer from depression.

Many people actively seek escapism.

Many people are predisposed to addiction of any kind.

Since geekdom tends to be associated with comparative social isolation, it's no suprise that a great many EVE players are far from balanced human beings.



I have a sports car and a kickboxing girlfriend and I go to gym all the time.

Stevobob
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.02.26 03:01:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: James Duar
Originally by: O Thief
Its actually an interesting point.

Many people lead crushingly dull lives.

Many people suffer from depression.

Many people actively seek escapism.

Many people are predisposed to addiction of any kind.

Since geekdom tends to be associated with comparative social isolation, it's no suprise that a great many EVE players are far from balanced human beings.



I have a sports car and a kickboxing girlfriend and I go to gym all the time.

I drive a Neon, have a realdoll and sweat when lifting my fork. Does this count?

Cindy McCain
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.02.26 03:07:00 - [20]
 

Much like Cleopatra VII I hope to one day commit suicide via an Asp bite.

Talancir D'Landior
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.02.26 03:31:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Atropos Kahn
I have been beating around 0.0 for almost 4 years now... participating in the constant battle for moons, sytems, and whole regions of space. I have partaken in many a victory as well as defeat and slaughter. I have lost it all just to gain it all and lose it all again. You veteran pilots know the story, we all share it. And it will continue to be this way untill I quit the game, or CCP closes up shop. Kill or be Killed.

I wonder though, does all this fighting to conquer and re-conquer space have an everlasting effect on our RL psyche. All the epicness that EVE brings.. The drama that we create for ourselves concerning Goons, Bob, or whoever can be traced to similar epicness in our own RL histories, like the Romans, Persians, or Greeks. We are all playing it all out again in VR. It is grand and it is full of awesomeness and such. But does it effect you outside the game. CCP talks about how EVE is more of a web 2.0 social network rather than a game, but I am begining to notice that the stakes are getting ever higher. With the crash of the BOB alliance as the most recent epicness to cross our history, has more than towers been lost? Have relationships and social norms that have been entrenched for years and suddenly lost effect our RL that we had not anticipated. There is a lot of personal investment that each of us make into our VL lives in EVE, but more so into our corps and alliance mates. Can these sudden losses and gains give us post tramatic stress? With that same thought though, maybe that is why people like Chirbba and things like mining is so appealing to some in the end, even if for a short while. Sort of an escape from the constant waring. I don't know. I wanted to just throw it out there considering we will all most likely be playing for a long time to come.

And since I know how COAD treats it's posters... let the fail cascading responses commence!



You know, you're getting into a field of study that's still without concrete boundaries. PTSD, which is a blanket term, has a very instinctive "fight or flight" and emotionally connected orientation.

PTSD is also referred to as TBI, or Traumatic Brain Injury. I recall that you can get a TBI without physical impact, so while farfetched, your wondering isn't without justification. What with people being discouraged to play, to where when they get scammed in such a horrible manner that they lose all motivation to continue and quit, you can't help but wonder.

It could be in the same ballpark as those people who return from warzone, something happens to make them lose hope or faith that they'll be able to take whatever comes their way, then commit suicide.

Disclaimer: I just got back from Iraq not too long ago so I have an idea what I'm talking about. I've been getting damn reorientation classes about it.

RynkarVertigo
Caldari
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2009.02.26 04:32:00 - [22]
 

I have PTSD from having to listen to DBRB during every fleet op.

Scientology 101
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.02.26 04:57:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Fat Ducker
Originally by: VCBee2888
don't get mad at vidya games


Kinda funny coming from Goons who are the new queens of 'taking seriously', COAD bragging of their pvp prowess and cap blobs, and generally being like BoB of 2006.

You're as dumb as a sack of rocks.


Levaria
Gallente
Incertae Sedis
Atlas.
Posted - 2009.02.26 16:22:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Talancir D'Landior
Originally by: Atropos Kahn
I have been beating around 0.0 for almost 4 years now... participating in the constant battle for moons, sytems, and whole regions of space. I have partaken in many a victory as well as defeat and slaughter. I have lost it all just to gain it all and lose it all again. You veteran pilots know the story, we all share it. And it will continue to be this way untill I quit the game, or CCP closes up shop. Kill or be Killed.

I wonder though, does all this fighting to conquer and re-conquer space have an everlasting effect on our RL psyche. All the epicness that EVE brings.. The drama that we create for ourselves concerning Goons, Bob, or whoever can be traced to similar epicness in our own RL histories, like the Romans, Persians, or Greeks. We are all playing it all out again in VR. It is grand and it is full of awesomeness and such. But does it effect you outside the game. CCP talks about how EVE is more of a web 2.0 social network rather than a game, but I am begining to notice that the stakes are getting ever higher. With the crash of the BOB alliance as the most recent epicness to cross our history, has more than towers been lost? Have relationships and social norms that have been entrenched for years and suddenly lost effect our RL that we had not anticipated. There is a lot of personal investment that each of us make into our VL lives in EVE, but more so into our corps and alliance mates. Can these sudden losses and gains give us post tramatic stress? With that same thought though, maybe that is why people like Chirbba and things like mining is so appealing to some in the end, even if for a short while. Sort of an escape from the constant waring. I don't know. I wanted to just throw it out there considering we will all most likely be playing for a long time to come.

And since I know how COAD treats it's posters... let the fail cascading responses commence!



You know, you're getting into a field of study that's still without concrete boundaries. PTSD, which is a blanket term, has a very instinctive "fight or flight" and emotionally connected orientation.

PTSD is also referred to as TBI, or Traumatic Brain Injury. I recall that you can get a TBI without physical impact, so while farfetched, your wondering isn't without justification. What with people being discouraged to play, to where when they get scammed in such a horrible manner that they lose all motivation to continue and quit, you can't help but wonder.

It could be in the same ballpark as those people who return from warzone, something happens to make them lose hope or faith that they'll be able to take whatever comes their way, then commit suicide.

Disclaimer: I just got back from Iraq not too long ago so I have an idea what I'm talking about. I've been getting damn reorientation classes about it.


I figured since this isnt a typical CAOD flamebait omfgwtfbbqsauce post and is relevant to my past experiences i will post on here even though AXIOM is not allowed to troll CAOD. I came back from Iraq in April of 2008. It depends on just how seriously people take the game, I guess if you emotionally focus and develop yourself through the game via in game accomplishments and only measure success that way, then once you get scammed,cheated,taken over, etc... maybe something happens, maybe something doesnt. Im not brain expert so either way it can go. Ironically i played eve while i was in Iraq (I was stationed in southern Baghdad, lots of RL pew pew going on.) For me it was an outlet from real life patrols out in sector, raids, fire fights and seeing **** get ******-up and having some damn good friends and soldiers of mine make the ultimate sacrafice. Everyone had their little mental getaway in Iraq, playing Eve let me reconnect with my buddies back home and abroad and let off some steam, thats just my two cents.


Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2009.02.26 16:26:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: O Thief
Its actually an interesting point.

Many people lead crushingly dull lives.

Many people suffer from depression.

Many people actively seek escapism.

Many people are predisposed to addiction of any kind.

Since geekdom tends to be associated with comparative social isolation, it's no suprise that a great many EVE players are far from balanced human beings.




I'm a cage fighting marine biologist who flies helicopters

VCBee2777
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.02.26 17:53:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Fat Ducker
Originally by: VCBee2888
don't get mad at vidya games


Kinda funny coming from Goons who are the new queens of 'taking seriously', COAD bragging of their pvp prowess and cap blobs, and generally being like BoB of 2006.

u mad?

Alei Mulinitej
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.02.27 03:53:00 - [27]
 

jesus get a ****ing life, this is a ****ty internet spaceship mmo get over it

Kiko Goatbiter
Gallente
Ecliptic Control
Stella Polaris.
Posted - 2009.02.27 03:54:00 - [28]
 

just postin on caod you know the usual nbd

Snowden Vel
Minmatar
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2009.02.27 04:08:00 - [29]
 

when deadtear lost his titan to SMASH, that was our 9/11

Alei Mulinitej
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.02.27 04:10:00 - [30]
 

but guys

bob being disbanded is just like apple disbanding microsoft


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