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Drenan
State War Academy
Posted - 2010.05.12 12:13:00 - [631]
 

Originally by: Number 17
Don't have time to log in test server, have they fixed rockets yet?


Nope Crying or Very sad

S'qarpium D'igil
Posted - 2010.05.13 00:40:00 - [632]
 

Fix Rockets. We will not relent on this, CCP.

Allen Ramses
Caldari
Zombicidal Mania
Posted - 2010.05.13 01:42:00 - [633]
 

Originally by: Braitai
50% increased damage for lights? Great, so AML Caracals will own frigates EVEN HARDER than they do already. Balancing lights is actually quite difficult because of the fact that they're used in AML launchers as well.

30% sig bloom when an AB is active? Maybe if they give them 30% more speed as well, otherwise no. AB's are used to tank cruisers, which is already hard enough.
The problem there is not lights, it's AMLs. They're a cruiser class weapon, but have the same tracking as a frigate class weapon. A light missile buff would not be a problem if AMLs had a 60% explosion velocity reduction (still twice the tracking capability as heavies). Last I checked, dual 150s didn't have the same tracking as 150s.

Also, a 30% bloom isn't unreasonable for ABs. It would be one thing if it was the same as the velocity modifier, but this is 30%. The increased damage/hit quality mitigation would still be increased by 59%, which is pretty good.


Originally by: Gypsio III
Oh, I've just noticed that this was in response to Allen's insane OCD MUST MAEK PRITTY PATTURNS OF NUMBERS balancing proposals.
You know what? **** you too, pal.

Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Not Found.
Posted - 2010.05.13 13:30:00 - [634]
 

Edited by: Sky Marshal on 13/05/2010 13:29:45

The leaked Patch Note mentions nothing about AF and rockets Evil or Very Mad

Captain Mastiff
Posted - 2010.05.13 15:24:00 - [635]
 

Originally by: Sky Marshal
Edited by: Sky Marshal on 13/05/2010 13:29:45

The leaked Patch Note mentions nothing about AF and rockets Evil or Very Mad


Honestly though, did you expect CCP to bother fixing Roflkets and Assaultfails?


van Uber
Swedish Aerospace Inc
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2010.05.13 18:45:00 - [636]
 

Originally by: Sky Marshal
Edited by: Sky Marshal on 13/05/2010 13:29:45

The leaked Patch Note mentions nothing about AF and rockets Evil or Very Mad


Don't panic, there has only been eighteen months, three expansions and numerous patches since rockets got borked in their latest iteration in Quantum Rise. We don't want CCP to rush in to anything. After all, bombs took 24 months to fix, Black Ops are still broken and they came with Trinity so rockets are just following the curve here.

egegergergsdgedgege
Posted - 2010.05.13 20:36:00 - [637]
 

Hey guys,

They are implementing PI at the moment. They dont have time to fix things.
But dont worry they will abandon PI after this expansion like every other thing they did add to this game befor. Confused


Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.05.13 22:52:00 - [638]
 

fixing rockets is one of those things that an intern could do in first day on the job. And that's assuming he knows nothing about EVE database and has to learn the appropriate commands and practice on SiSi first.

The excuse "we are too busy to fix this" only works on those who are completely ignorant of how computers work. This fix is database change only, and SQL database at that.

The only other excuse is that they don't play their own game well enough to fully comprehend the problem, and thus have no idea what a solution would be, and at same they are too distrustful/paranoid to accept public opinion. That's pure incompetence thru and thru

Same goes for Cyno effects, only it's a little more complex

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2010.05.14 11:57:00 - [639]
 

Did they change 2 numbers yet?

yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats
Posted - 2010.05.14 11:58:00 - [640]
 

Originally by: van Uber



Don't panic, there has only been eighteen months, three expansions and numerous patches since rockets got borked in their latest iteration in Quantum Rise. We don't want CCP to rush in to anything. After all, bombs took 24 months to fix, Black Ops are still broken and they came with Trinity so rockets are just following the curve here.




The poor hawk was born disabled but despite CCP having access to the best drugs and medicine they continue to let it suffer and have done for years.

Captain Muscles
Caldari
Vindictive Bastards
Posted - 2010.05.14 17:27:00 - [641]
 

Edited by: Captain Muscles on 14/05/2010 17:29:41
rockets fly past
quiet, they miss their target:
the Hawk forgotten

Edit: correction

venariel
Posted - 2010.05.14 21:24:00 - [642]
 

did they fix rockets yet?

Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
Posted - 2010.05.14 21:45:00 - [643]
 

Originally by: Captain Muscles
Edited by: Captain Muscles on 14/05/2010 17:29:41
rockets fly past
quiet, they miss their target:
the Hawk forgotten

Edit: correction


LOL awesome Haiku!

FIX ROCKETS!!!

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2010.05.14 22:24:00 - [644]
 

I fire my rockets
Their explosion is outrun
C C P Fix please

Allen Ramses
Caldari
Zombicidal Mania
Posted - 2010.05.14 23:57:00 - [645]
 

Damage per second
This is the biggest problem
it outweighs all else

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2010.05.15 01:03:00 - [646]
 

Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Historically, we tend to do most of our game balancing work during the summer generally as things are quieter then for the teams, especially design. Internally we have done some work on assault frigates and rockets with discussion on EAF and Black ops or tech II ammo closely following it to give an indicator of our balancing backlog.




Source

Would've been nice to get some word in this thread but hey.

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2010.05.15 12:25:00 - [647]
 

Page 2 thread has reached
This is unnacceptable
Back to the top now

Krennel Darius
Caldari
EON Solutions
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2010.05.15 18:11:00 - [648]
 

I feel optimistic today, so I'm gonna say the real reason for them delaying the expansion is so they can fix rockets.

xChevalierx
Posted - 2010.05.15 20:14:00 - [649]
 

It's been like a year and a half. Has ccp looked at this thread and changed 2 numbers yet?

Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2010.05.16 06:53:00 - [650]
 

Boosting rockets is boost for caldari and that is not possible to boost caldari now.

So stop whining about rockets and fly something else.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.05.16 09:48:00 - [651]
 

then give the khandids a rocket boost modifier

give the useless afs a speed boost ( retribution but not the vengence)

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2010.05.16 09:53:00 - [652]
 

Originally by: Bad Messenger
Boosting rockets is boost for caldari and that is not possible to boost caldari now.

So stop whining about rockets and fly something else.


Troll elsewhere please.

Oku Kee'lus
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.05.16 12:58:00 - [653]
 

Come and take a trip in my rocket ship
We'll have a lovely afternoon
Kiss the world goodbye and away we fly
Destination moon

Usul Atreides
Posted - 2010.05.16 15:39:00 - [654]
 

El Bumpo.

S'qarpium D'igil
Posted - 2010.05.17 04:05:00 - [655]
 

Oh well.. looks like we're waiting another year before we'll hear any more news regarding rockets and AFs...



Originally by: CCP Chronotis
IMO we have not really broken any promise as when we state the issue is deferred, its deferred with no set new release window (this is generally always the case). The patch and release schedule is determined by many factors, however we can see why you might infer 'post-dominion' as 'immediately following dominion' and no matter how many disclaimers we add to our posts, they never seem to be enough. It does suck that we have not been able to slot the assault frigate and rocket reviews into Tyrannis and that those of you eagerly awaiting it will need to wait longer Crying or Very sad but such as the limitation of pipeline bandwidth.

Historically, we tend to do most of our game balancing work during the summer generally as things are quieter then for the teams, especially design. Internally we have done some work on assault frigates and rockets with discussion on EAF and Black ops or tech II ammo closely following it to give an indicator of our balancing backlog.

We can never promise at such an early stage when any change will arrive on tranquility but we are aware of the issues and making progress. As soon as the dust settles from Tyrannis we will look to give you an updated status on the many issues we are looking into and where they stand.



from here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1317960

Braitai
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2010.05.17 05:20:00 - [656]
 

This is really disappointing, it's almost enough for me to take a break and come back when CCP sort their **** out. I trained for rockets just before QR came out, and I've flown a Malediction in about 90% of my PVP engagements. TBH the whole training aspect of this game is one of it's greatest weaknesses. You're not working for your skill points, you're buying a character incrementally, it's not much different to EBAY'ing, and when it comes to rockets people have been short changed for a long time. They should just ditch training completely. Buy a book, add the skill, done. Slightly OT suggestion but it's not as if it would be implemented anyway.

Rip Striker
Posted - 2010.05.17 05:35:00 - [657]
 

Edited by: Rip Striker on 17/05/2010 05:46:59
Why is there no correction to the obvious failrockets in Failrannis expansion?

**** you CCP!

Mohenna
Caldari
Knights of the Dark
Posted - 2010.05.17 08:32:00 - [658]
 

Edited by: Mohenna on 17/05/2010 08:35:02
The promises are getting vaguer: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=replyquote&threadID=1317960&line=5

Originally by: CCP Chronotis
IMO we have not really broken any promise as when we state the issue is deferred, its deferred with no set new release window (this is generally always the case). The patch and release schedule is determined by many factors, however we can see why you might infer 'post-dominion' as 'immediately following dominion' and no matter how many disclaimers we add to our posts, they never seem to be enough. It does suck that we have not been able to slot the assault frigate and rocket reviews into Tyrannis and that those of you eagerly awaiting it will need to wait longer Crying or Very sad but such as the limitation of pipeline bandwidth.

Historically, we tend to do most of our game balancing work during the summer generally as things are quieter then for the teams, especially design. Internally we have done some work on assault frigates and rockets with discussion on EAF and Black ops or tech II ammo closely following it to give an indicator of our balancing backlog.

We can never promise at such an early stage when any change will arrive on tranquility but we are aware of the issues and making progress. As soon as the dust settles from Tyrannis we will look to give you an updated status on the many issues we are looking into and where they stand.



Apparently the summer could give us hope. Although frankly with the little number of features Tyrannis has, I'd expect the next expansion to be more feature-y, and less balance-y... :-/

Edit: also, it seems that as usual, the hammer will be used: not a tweak but a rework. They are mindstorming the rockets folks. I feel already screwed.

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2010.05.17 11:27:00 - [659]
 

Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 17/05/2010 11:27:05
Seriously? Id prefer if they said "**** off, we will never fix this" instead of "sometime after XYZ expansion". Atm the amount of stuff that should be reworked, fixed or updated after "XYZ expansion" is already so huge that it can fill 3 expansions ALONE. But yeah, bring on incarna, half-working feature which will be used for 1-2 months before people get bored and wait for obvious bug fixes and stuff in "near future" which never happens.

As for rockets - yeah i read about that "rework". And its again roll of the dice: balanced? screwed up? overpowered? No idea but surely not just easily fixed. Also its kinda funny that games-workshop (the company that does warhammer tabletop) can fix some bugs in their games FASTER than CCP can. For those who dont know: they release nev version of old armier every 5 years or so and in meantime give some erratas out. Still - its more often than CCP does it. And i always thought that digital distribution and digital products can be fixed on spot. I was so wrong all that time...

Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
The Black Armada
Posted - 2010.05.17 17:08:00 - [660]
 

Regarding Rockets, T2 Ammo and AF Afterburners:

Please read this: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1317960&page=1#5


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