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Dlightfull
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.02.16 12:02:00 - [1]
 

I started to do missions lately to get me some isk, coz i tend to run dry, but this is stupid, ccp needs to do something, missions are waaaay to tough to do, i mean is there at least some1 that can do a level 4 alone? I warped to the mission and got almost simultaniously scrambled, webbed and ecm'ed! I guess i don't have to tell you how awfull did my ship die and how i couldn't do anything about it :'(.This is outrageous, CCP wants every1 to go to 0.0 or what? Give ppl means to make isks in empire too, not only in 0.0! I wanted to make some isk and instead of doing that i lost everything i had...to rats! Missions should be easier than pvp, not the other way around :(.

Sign this if you agree with me.

Elisa Coreli
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Posted - 2009.02.16 12:06:00 - [2]
 

Most people do level 4 missions while theyre AFK. Its safe to assume your ship is either setup wrong or you just lack the skills.

Orion GUardian
Caldari
Posted - 2009.02.16 12:08:00 - [3]
 

Or you should just give me your stuff and leave

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.02.16 12:14:00 - [4]
 

This has to be a troll… ugh

Giannamichaels
Posted - 2009.02.16 12:35:00 - [5]
 

obvious troll is obvious

Dlightfull
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.02.16 12:37:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Giannamichaels
obvious troll is obvious


What's a troll? Sorry maybe this is elementary for some of you, but i am not native english speaker, so i don't understand everything :(

ZeusOnRoids
Amarr
The German Star-Fighters
United European Star-Force
Posted - 2009.02.16 12:38:00 - [7]
 

if you lost your ibis iŽll give you a new one

Giannamichaels
Posted - 2009.02.16 12:40:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Giannamichaels on 16/02/2009 12:41:46
read this guys other thread proof of epic trolling skills

obvious trolling

oh and he also mentions trolling himself in his thread lol

Orion GUardian
Caldari
Posted - 2009.02.16 12:42:00 - [9]
 

Yeah read the other, but I find it boring....he is too obvious

Dlightfull
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.02.16 12:55:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Giannamichaels
Edited by: Giannamichaels on 16/02/2009 12:41:46
read this guys other thread proof of epic trolling skills

obvious trolling

oh and he also mentions trolling himself in his thread lol


huh? what do you mean i mention trolling myself? i don't even know what trolling means. Can some1 pls explain me this notion?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.02.16 12:58:00 - [11]
 

I wonder if he flew his mighty 50 DPS / 25 tank Punishers in that L4 too… Laughing

Junko Togawa
Caldari
Posted - 2009.02.16 15:22:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Junko Togawa on 16/02/2009 15:23:12
I started to do PvP lately to get me some isk, coz i tend to run dry, but this is stupid, ccp needs to do something, PvP is waaaay to tough to do, i mean is there at least some1 that can do a 5v1 alone? I warped to lowsec and got almost simultaniously scrambled, webbed and ecm'ed! I guess i don't have to tell you how awfull did my ship die and how i couldn't do anything about it :'(.This is outrageous, CCP wants every1 to go to Mission Running or what? Give ppl means to make isks in lowsec too, not only in Empire! I wanted to make some isk and instead of doing that i lost everything i had...to PvP'ers! PvP should be easier than missions, not the other way around :(.

Sign this if you agree with me. Razz

Cade Morrigan
Caldari
Posted - 2009.02.16 16:39:00 - [13]
 

/SIGNED!

Karrade Krise
Posted - 2009.02.16 17:10:00 - [14]
 

Obvious troll is obvious....and if you're actually not a troll then you're just a moron.

Dors Venabily
Posted - 2009.02.16 19:30:00 - [15]
 

OMG Laughing

Hooded Person
Amarr
Posted - 2009.02.16 19:33:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Elisa Coreli
Most people do level 4 missions while theyre AFK. Its safe to assume your ship is either setup wrong or you just lack the skills.

This is proof that the title, if not the OP, is correct. Missions are in fact far too easy and boring, and are mostly run either semi-afk, or by RMT farmers in sweat shops.

Irdia Freelancer
Posted - 2009.02.16 20:31:00 - [17]
 

If you really dont know what your doing, read the eve survival guide, Follow a corp mate through a few missions to learn, listen and read on setting up your ship, and if that all fails stick to level 3's.

If one wants, can be doing level 4's solo within weeks of character creation. It doesn't take great skills nor great experience. A bit of read/listen, bit of experience your soloing your own level 4's.

Even level 4's have few ships that warp scramble you. Typically players doing level 4's have drones to take out the few scramblers. If you try to kill close orbiting frigates with large guns your going to miss. Learn from it and move on. If you have lost everything, it still doesn't take long to build up isk. eg I had a faction fitted Apoc Navy costing over 1 bil which I lost and was short by over 900 mil to replace, yet within about 2 weeks I had earned enough to replace it. Isk is easy to come by if you just look for it.

If your doing lvl 3's in say a battlecruiser you would have to be a complete idiot to sell everything and buy a battleship. Stick to the safer route and save enough for your next ship without selling the old. If it all goes bad, you just take a step back to the old ship to recover.

Even 'lost everything' you can take a pod into an empty dock and you get a free starter ship. You can then do a few rats/ lvl 1 missions with this and buy yourself a better ship, not long and you can do lvl 2's then 3's. To lose everything takes complete stuppidity. If you were doing level 4's (well trying to?) you can go find a nice hi-sec courier agent, get an industrial and ship a bit of freight for a few hours, pays quite okay, and is much quicker isk than doing level 1's, 2's, 3's. Typically an industrial is cheaper fitted than an unfitted cruiser.

Dlightfull
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.02.17 08:28:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Irdia Freelancer
If you really dont know what your doing, read the eve survival guide, Follow a corp mate through a few missions to learn, listen and read on setting up your ship, and if that all fails stick to level 3's.

If one wants, can be doing level 4's solo within weeks of character creation. It doesn't take great skills nor great experience. A bit of read/listen, bit of experience your soloing your own level 4's.

Even level 4's have few ships that warp scramble you. Typically players doing level 4's have drones to take out the few scramblers. If you try to kill close orbiting frigates with large guns your going to miss. Learn from it and move on. If you have lost everything, it still doesn't take long to build up isk. eg I had a faction fitted Apoc Navy costing over 1 bil which I lost and was short by over 900 mil to replace, yet within about 2 weeks I had earned enough to replace it. Isk is easy to come by if you just look for it.

If your doing lvl 3's in say a battlecruiser you would have to be a complete idiot to sell everything and buy a battleship. Stick to the safer route and save enough for your next ship without selling the old. If it all goes bad, you just take a step back to the old ship to recover.

Even 'lost everything' you can take a pod into an empty dock and you get a free starter ship. You can then do a few rats/ lvl 1 missions with this and buy yourself a better ship, not long and you can do lvl 2's then 3's. To lose everything takes complete stuppidity. If you were doing level 4's (well trying to?) you can go find a nice hi-sec courier agent, get an industrial and ship a bit of freight for a few hours, pays quite okay, and is much quicker isk than doing level 1's, 2's, 3's. Typically an industrial is cheaper fitted than an unfitted cruiser.


Obvious troll is obvious. Now that's because of bastards like you ppl lose countless ships in missions, why you lieing that it is easy? I am a pvp guru and still died to those rats, what about new players that have no clue about firing their weapons? If you think it is so easy and you know exactly how to do it why don't u write a guide about missionrunning? Coz i see you're good at writing walls of text! Now get out of my thread and do something usefull instead of misinforming the comunity!

Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
Posted - 2009.02.17 11:36:00 - [19]
 

webbed, scrambled, ecm'd...

The Assualt, lvl 4 vs Guristas?


Dlightfull
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.02.17 11:40:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Joe
webbed, scrambled, ecm'd...

The Assualt, lvl 4 vs Guristas?




i don't know, i never looked at mission's name, why?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.02.17 11:47:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Dlightfull
Obvious troll is obvious.
Yes you are.
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Now that's because of bastards like you ppl lose countless ships in missions,
They don't.
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why you lieing that it is easy?
He isn't, and it is.
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I am a pvp guru
No.
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and still died to those rats,
Because eBay is a cruel mistress.
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what about new players that have no clue about firing their weapons?
Those players aren't going to fly L4s.
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If you think it is so easy and you know exactly how to do it why don't u write a guide about missionrunning?
No need, since eve-survival.com (and, say, battleclinic for fittings) already exists.

Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
Posted - 2009.02.17 11:48:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Joe on 17/02/2009 11:53:05
Originally by: Dlightfull
Originally by: Joe
webbed, scrambled, ecm'd...
The Assualt, lvl 4 vs Guristas?


i don't know, i never looked at mission's name, why?


Becuase if you pay attention to the mission names,you can do a simple search in one of the many mission sites run by mission runners (my Favourite) and Avoid getting surprised by missions that will instantly web, scramble and ECM you (or worse, neutrilise cap).

Most mission runners pick up this habit during their lvl 3 missions when nasty surprises start hitting them, by the time your doing lvl 4 and 5 missions running into Surprises is only done by overconfident PilotsWink

Hope the linky helps avioding the problem again in the future.


Edit = Had to add a quote of your question, as you got trolled inbetween your question and my answer, and people might not realise what i was posting in response too.

Dlightfull
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.02.17 13:11:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Joe
Edited by: Joe on 17/02/2009 11:53:05
Originally by: Dlightfull
Originally by: Joe
webbed, scrambled, ecm'd...
The Assualt, lvl 4 vs Guristas?


i don't know, i never looked at mission's name, why?


Becuase if you pay attention to the mission names,you can do a simple search in one of the many mission sites run by mission runners (my Favourite) and Avoid getting surprised by missions that will instantly web, scramble and ECM you (or worse, neutrilise cap).

Most mission runners pick up this habit during their lvl 3 missions when nasty surprises start hitting them, by the time your doing lvl 4 and 5 missions running into Surprises is only done by overconfident PilotsWink

Hope the linky helps avioding the problem again in the future.


Edit = Had to add a quote of your question, as you got trolled inbetween your question and my answer, and people might not realise what i was posting in response too.


Thank you for the good advise, at least one man is decent enough to give a good answer, every1 are just trolling :(.
I never did lvl 3's, i used to salvage for a missionrunner and i got the standings for lvl 4 for free, without grinding, si i thought it's not a big deal, but the mission i got in was overwhelming :(. Will try to do as u say, maybe i can make some isk to fund my pvp. Thanks again.

Erika Bronz
Gallente
The Wyld Hunt
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.02.17 14:04:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Dlightfull
What's a troll? Sorry maybe this is elementary for some of you, but i am not native english speaker, so i don't understand everything :(


Picture of a cavetroll that turned into stone and have been dead for a long time now. It's a popular tourist attraction these days.

Flinchey
Amarr
Posted - 2009.02.17 17:43:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Flinchey on 17/02/2009 17:49:07
Edited by: Flinchey on 17/02/2009 17:46:27
Originally by: Dlightfull
Originally by: Joe
Edited by: Joe on 17/02/2009 11:53:05
Originally by: Dlightfull
Originally by: Joe
webbed, scrambled, ecm'd...
The Assualt, lvl 4 vs Guristas?


i don't know, i never looked at mission's name, why?


Becuase if you pay attention to the mission names,you can do a simple search in one of the many mission sites run by mission runners (my Favourite) and Avoid getting surprised by missions that will instantly web, scramble and ECM you (or worse, neutrilise cap).

Most mission runners pick up this habit during their lvl 3 missions when nasty surprises start hitting them, by the time your doing lvl 4 and 5 missions running into Surprises is only done by overconfident PilotsWink

Hope the linky helps avioding the problem again in the future.


Edit = Had to add a quote of your question, as you got trolled inbetween your question and my answer, and people might not realise what i was posting in response too.


Thank you for the good advise, at least one man is decent enough to give a good answer, every1 are just trolling :(.
I never did lvl 3's, i used to salvage for a missionrunner and i got the standings for lvl 4 for free, without grinding, si i thought it's not a big deal, but the mission i got in was overwhelming :(. Will try to do as u say, maybe i can make some isk to fund my pvp. Thanks again.

no, seriously man, if you're finding missions hard, just stop playing. right now. they are the easiest thing ever. skills and fitting. you're a 9m sp pilot... im only 7.5 and L4's are a cakewalk in a harbinger, let alone a BS, or the zealot i'm about to step into Shocked... how can you play eve for so many months and not have a single clue... i'm talking to people who've been paying under a week and understand more about the game than you

and level 4's are MEANT to have challenge, jeez.... you really are a noob (i only just read your post properly) go try some l2's/3's (2's to taech you how to deal with frigs en-masse) 3's to teach you better about tanking/aggro management/some rare scramming/ lots of webbing

and i've been reading your other thread too... man.. you really do suck at pvp... come visit neesher some time and i'll show you, really, i'll only even take you to hull to show you how **** your setups are. ugh

ED: guys i dont think he's trolling, i think he's genuinely this r*tarded.
there are no troll-hallmarks, just the signs of a total noob.

...
by the way, just thought you'd all like to know, i just lost the game LaughingLaughing

Dlightfull
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.02.17 18:39:00 - [26]
 

NOW THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!

How can you even say they are easy? SO i have read the eve-survival site, i got a nice bs and got into the mission, angel extravaganza. Now they say it's a pretty hard mission, but this is just beyond any limits: i warp to the mission, start shooting few rats, can't do **** to frigs, so i activate the smartbomb to kill them and in few seconds i get almost instapopped Shocked. What dps do those rats have? i got jammed, neuted and almost instapopped, this didn't happen to me even in pvp!!! This game is ****ed up i think i will wuit right now Mad.

Irdia Freelancer
Posted - 2009.02.17 18:47:00 - [27]
 

My oppinion, if you can't handle the easy level 4's your sure not up to pvp. PvP is against people. People are much tougher opponents than level 4's as the npc's are so predictable.

If you have been doing pvp it will only be ganking pvp. So the gankers call it pvp for matters of their own egos? I dont class ganking as PvP, never have and never will.

What skills are needed to gank shuttles, small frigates, industrials?

My advice. Do some missions like those lvl 3's you have never done. Your just not up to handling the level 4's yet - something I was doing within weeks of starting to play this game. Your not listening much to advice and yet much good advice has been given.

1st rule of PvP/combat is fly what you can afford to lose. Thats the first rule but you haven't even learned that. Even mission runners know this 1st rule of PvP! The 1 bil faction fitted ship I lost - I shot a can flipper and then got ganked myself. But then I still knew the rule, and was flying what I could afford to lose. If you had been doing pvp then you would be used to being jammed/scrammed/ecm'd, losing ships etc - again suggests to me (and probably everyone else reading this) that all the noise about PvP experience is empty claims.

2nd rule of PvP/combat is know your enemy. If you know your enemy you can prepare to your advantage. Hence the importance of scouts/scouting the enemy. The eve survival (and others) guide gives information about mission enemies. If you are struggling with level 4's and 3's (yes level 3's also have jamm/scram/ecm, so if you couldn't handle that lvl 4 mission, probably would have died the same to the lvl 3 variant), read some guides. Trying a lvl 4 without even trying a level 3, without taking a friend first, without reading a guide, without getting advice? I've seen players which I consider 'complete idiots' doing smarter things than that! No experience PvP'r goes into combat blind when they can avoid it as that will cost you ships. First thing you did was waltz into a lvl 4 mission blind without knowing about npc scram/jam/ecm or even how to 'mission' and claim shock/horror?

Ship is lost, get over it, move on. Is what I did after my small mistake of shooting a can-flipper. My char with 4 month experience at the time vs over 30+ month experienced opposition. I almost killed the inty in mission setup (it was down to hull when it warped out and the battleship warped in). I was even holding my own doing good damage to the 30 month char setup for PvP (mission setup for me), till I run out of cap (had got the dom down to about 20% armor). No cap (nos/neut), no defense and one dead mission ship. Still was over 100,000 damage done to kill my ship so they didn't find it a walk over. I expect I've just described more PvP experience than you have ever had. And a few month old mission ship vs years old pvp ship is no contest. Everyone reading would expect the pvp ship to win over a mission ship, which it did. Everyone would expect 30+ month vs 4 month experince to win, which it did. No surprise.

Someone trying a lvl 4 blind with no mission/pvp experience? Ship loss is no surprise. Not knowing those two rules of pvp/combat is no PvP experience.

ReioS
Caldari
Stella Contego Security
Stella Stargate Security
Posted - 2009.02.17 18:50:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Dlightfull
NOW THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!

How can you even say they are easy? SO i have read the eve-survival site, i got a nice bs and got into the mission, angel extravaganza. Now they say it's a pretty hard mission, but this is just beyond any limits: i warp to the mission, start shooting few rats, can't do **** to frigs, so i activate the smartbomb to kill them and in few seconds i get almost instapopped Shocked. What dps do those rats have? i got jammed, neuted and almost instapopped, this didn't happen to me even in pvp!!! This game is ****ed up i think i will wuit right now Mad.


Please quit, i beg you

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2009.02.17 19:05:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Dlightfull
NOW THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!

How can you even say they are easy? SO i have read the eve-survival site, i got a nice bs and got into the mission, angel extravaganza. Now they say it's a pretty hard mission, but this is just beyond any limits: i warp to the mission, start shooting few rats, can't do **** to frigs, so i activate the smartbomb to kill them and in few seconds i get almost instapopped Shocked. What dps do those rats have? i got jammed, neuted and almost instapopped, this didn't happen to me even in pvp!!! This game is ****ed up i think i will wuit right now Mad.


Angels don't damp, jam, nuet, or tracking distrupt.

They do, however, target paint you :)

Gin G
The Helghast Corporation
Posted - 2009.02.17 19:21:00 - [30]
 

Please go back to wow where trolls are welcome.



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