Posted - 2009.02.15 18:26:00 - [3]

 

No need to remove it.

Just raise fees from current 2mil to 100mil every week. You can bet 99% of griefers will quit annoying decent players, and only reasonable wars will happen.

For the moment, NPC are the only solution. Why you think so many players stick to their NPC? For pleasure?

Posted - 2009.02.15 19:07:00 - [5]

 

Originally by: Oppih Nogard

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Sirs:

War Decks and the resulting in game dynamics absolutely ruin game play. This drives a lot of players out of the Eve Community. That is, they quite the game…. Less $$ for CCP.

If people want to PVP they can go into low security areas.

It would greatly improve the enjoyment of playing Eve it you eliminated War Decking or at least limited it to 0.3 space or lower.

As it is, I am thinking of leaving the game.

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Have a nice life.

Posted - 2009.02.15 19:35:00 - [7]

 

Originally by: Khanoonian Singh

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Perhaps, you could make a macro for surrendering, it would probably be similiar to the macro you use for mining.


Nothing wrong with the current war dec rules except the limit on them.

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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Euhm, right.

Wardecs are flawed atm, removing them is not an option though.

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Go low-sec kthx

p.s. not enough nuts? keep killing miners you are brave people laugh out loud at your killboards full of hulks and retrievers

Posted - 2009.02.15 20:04:00 - [9]

 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 15/02/2009 20:03:55
Which is exactly the problem, 90% of the wardecs have nothing to do with disrupting logistics, removing those stupid miners from the system you want to mine in, not liking the colour of the ships they fly in, etc. The only reason for 90% of the wardecs is just easy targets: Risk free pvp. No point in denying it. I don't say you do it, i say 90% of the wardecs are that way. And yes i made that 90% up, but i think it is pretty close.


And Martha, about me, i live in 0.0, providence. I am NRDS and never even have been in a corp which declared war on another one. It is always the other way arround, people looking for afk haulers wardeccing us.

Posted - 2009.02.15 21:38:00 - [11]

 

Originally by: Oppih Nogard

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Sirs:

War Decks and the resulting in game dynamics absolutely ruin game play. This drives a lot of players out of the Eve Community. That is, they quite the game…. Less $$ for CCP.

If people want to PVP they can go into low security areas.

It would greatly improve the enjoyment of playing Eve it you eliminated War Decking or at least limited it to 0.3 space or lower.

As it is, I am thinking of leaving the game.

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I lol'd pretty damn hard. Sure a lot of as*hats dec for easy ganks against noobs what can you do. As it stands in noir. we get paid to kill WT's and I think those on the recieving end have it easy. We dec you leave your corp for the week and keep making isk. While we are bound by contract to sit by and camp station AFK'rs, the dec is in their favor. Grow up and can I has all your stuff.

Posted - 2009.02.15 22:23:00 - [13]

 

I have absolutely no problem with wardec's at all, however I do think 2m / week represents absolutely no barrier at all, why not just make it free? If people feel there should be some kind of cost, then make it something more sensible, say like 20-50 mil. 2mil is a joke, nobody is going to care about that.

Posted - 2009.02.15 23:47:00 - [15]

 

Originally by: Furb Killer

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By far most wardeccers aren't intrested at all in disrupting anything, they just want easy kills.

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Which tbh is completly fine.

Posted - 2009.02.16 02:20:00 - [17]

 

I'll agree with changing wardecs as soon as hisec is less profitable. When the ability to make huge wads of cash in Hisec is crippled, then we can talk about nerfing wardecs.

Posted - 2009.02.16 09:12:00 - [19]

 

There has to be ways to interfere with other players and try to force things to change to your favor, since we all live in one big sandbox. In highsec the wardec -system is the only real tool available to do this. It is sometimes a blunt tool, that could be replaced by a more refined mechanic in some cases, but sometimes it is exactly what is needed.

The reasons for wardecs, that I have personally been a part of are:

-Personal insult/aiding friends
-Denying the other some resource
-Getting more targets in your area of space. The corps targetted are selected for a reason, but for them it might seem random. Either they use the same resources as us, one of their member might have a bad history with us or they are likely to actually fight. This means sometimes deccing corps with superior numbers, so they might actually come out and fight.

The whole point is to force the others to play their game differently. In the case of denying a resource or aiding a friend, it doesn't matter, if they are offline during the wardec. The goal is accomplished in any case. People know how the system works and can guess how the opposite side reacts. They can then use this knowledge to achieve their goals.

I wouldn't object to adding actual goals to wardecs, allowing advanced options and tweaking the price, but total war must remain an option. The reasons and meaning for wardecs should be defined by the people who start the war and not be limited to some pre-defined options by CCP.

Posted - 2009.02.16 10:20:00 - [21]

 

I don't think they should be removed, part of EVE is that there's no place safe from pvp. However, the fees should definitly be raised, 25mil at least. 2mil for a war dec is pointless, because anyone can afford it, and 1 kill during the week can pay for that 2mil many times over.

Posted - 2009.02.16 11:48:00 - [23]

 

The fix is to remove highsec and watch the problem disappear.

Posted - 2009.02.16 12:49:00 - [25]

 

Edited by: Kaidelong Einfachs on 16/02/2009 12:53:02

Originally by: Martha Lightyear

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No need to remove it.

Just raise fees from current 2mil to 100mil every week. You can bet 99% of griefers will quit annoying decent players, and only reasonable wars will happen.

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2 mil to dec a corp does seem a bit cheap, you can get that much in 20 minutes, it's utterly trivial.

I understand the logic of having it increase in cost with multiple to discourage people from using it for kicks but I think better would be having it discounted (or free) if the target corp has had recent aggression timers with the declaring corp.

Also maybe make it free for a defending corp to extend a wardec (so that declaring war doesn't mean you'll be free of it after a week if it turns out you miscalculated).

Otherwise it should be more expensive than it currently is, a strong corporation that doesn't have to defend anything stationary could wardec whoever they please without their target able to defend themselves in any meaningful way and hide away if it turns out that they can and wait out the war until the check is no longer theirs to pay.

Wardecs aren't really that bad if they happen once every few months to a corp that doesn't bother anyone. It doesn't much make sense, but if the random griefing is infrequent it's manageable because there is time to rebuild after the fighting.

It gets ridiculous if an uncoordinated war dec follows after another, though, or if you have to deal with three in the same month, etc, which has been happening lately.

I don't think removing them is a good idea since it'll effectively give impunity to highsec pirates that don't get on the wrong side of concord, like a can flipper in a shuttle. They should however be a more significant decision than they are now, you shouldn't be motivated to simultaneously wardec two corps you never heard of before just for the fun of it, and it definitely should not be cheap.

Making wars more costly might help as an ISK sink against the inflation introduced by bounties and mission payments, anyway, if inflation is a problem.

Not supporting this topic

PS: Maybe concord should get ****ed if a corp that hasn't paid for a war dec helps a corp that did in a fight with the decced corp via logistics. At least make it so that the attackers have to all dec and can't work around it by sending a large fleet of reppers to help out some guy's mega.

Posted - 2009.02.16 22:19:00 - [27]

 

an alliance needs quite a bit of ISK and skills, not as simple as just "making an alliance"

Posted - 2009.02.16 23:55:00 - [29]

 

Originally by: Oppih Nogard

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Sirs:

War Decks and the resulting in game dynamics absolutely ruin game play. This drives a lot of players out of the Eve Community. That is, they quite the game…. Less $$ for CCP.

If people want to PVP they can go into low security areas.

It would greatly improve the enjoyment of playing Eve it you eliminated War Decking or at least limited it to 0.3 space or lower.

As it is, I am thinking of leaving the game.

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CCP have stopped all wardecs vs NPC corps. If you want to chat with friends, then go ahead and do so via a chat channel. If you want to be in a player corp, then you open yourself up to pvp via wardecs.

Thats the whole point of a player corp. The first thing new corps should do is build up a stockpile for their first wardec - because it will happen eventually.

It involves the corpmembers working like a corporation insted of a bunch of solo players with a chat channel. Build up a massive warstock as a corporation and then you can have fun. If you are part of a corp where everybody is a solo player or even a corp where you just mine/mission away forever and the corp has no plan with how to deal with their wardecs, then I am afraid to say, you are in the wrong corp.