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Topic |
Brego Tralowski
Galactic Extensive Technologies
SUB ROSA ALLIANCE |
Posted - 2009.02.10 16:52:00 - [ 1]
So pirates are bound by honour? I see no mystic tome containing the rules regarding Pirate Honour. People have groaned at their ships loss after paying a ransom, but what did you expect - they're pirates! So called 'Pirate Honour' has often been the subject of debate on the forums, with arguments for and against with no real winner. Those that pirate without 'honour' are said to be hurting the exploits of 'honourable' pirates, whilst those that are less 'honourable' are deemed even worse than pirates. I know that if I were a pirate (and have had pirate tendencies of late) I would be deemed 'unhonourable' and this is why: If I were a Pirate I would PvP, jump mission runners and all that other good stuff, I would ransom and still kill the dude/dudette. I see being a pirate as being a cut-throat profession, ransacking, destroying and taking isk where ever it presents itself, either through combat, scams or corp infilltration. No La dee daa about it. I would like to see this fabled pirates honour code some people seem to go on about, I would like others thoughts and insights on this also. What does being a Pirate really mean to the people of Eve - pirates and victims alike. What does YAARRR really mean these days?  |
Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.02.10 16:54:00 - [ 2]
 Originally by: Brego Tralowski
What does YAARRR really mean these days?
Ooooooh, let's kill it and take its stuff! |
kor anon
Amarr
FISKL GUARDS
RED.OverLord |
Posted - 2009.02.10 16:56:00 - [ 3]
There is no particular ruleset for honour, its just good for business. The more honorable you are the more people will pay ransoms, and the more respected you become. At least thats the way i see it. |
Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.02.10 16:57:00 - [ 4]
I would personally ransom - and honor it - against an Orca, any racial astrometrics frigate, a shuttle or a rookie ship. Why? Those ships don't show up on our kb. :( |
Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2009.02.10 16:59:00 - [ 5]
e-honour owns |
Dawts
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:00:00 - [ 6]
To me honour means a reputation, and reputation is everything.
If people know you keep your word, than the isk will flow easier than if people know you're a lying scumbag.
Eve is an open world, true to real life there are many times of pirates/people.
You can't use 1 word to describe hundreds of different people. |
Sol'Kanar
Private Nuisance
Segregati0n |
Posted - 2009.02.10 17:01:00 - [ 7]
Low-sec extortionists are simply having an identity crisis, that's all. It's probably because "I'm a pirate" sounds a lot cooler than "I'm an extortionist". |
Rheed
Deep Penetration Inc.
Predatory Instincts |
Posted - 2009.02.10 17:04:00 - [ 8]
If I thought honor would benifit me in any way, I would buy two of em. |
3yeb4ll
Racketeers |
Posted - 2009.02.10 17:07:00 - [ 9]
Thank god someone's finally defined a pirate, rather than bleating on about this "honour" crap.
Maximum Yarrage - the only real pirate corp in eve |
Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2009.02.10 17:07:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: Dawts
To me honour means a reputation, and reputation is everything.
If people know you keep your word, than the isk will flow easier than if people know you're a lying scumbag.
Eve is an open world, true to real life there are many times of pirates/people.
You can't use 1 word to describe hundreds of different people.
"You can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you have to watch out for." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
Brego Tralowski
Galactic Extensive Technologies
SUB ROSA ALLIANCE |
Posted - 2009.02.10 17:36:00 - [ 11]
Perhaps people who become victims of Pirates rant about honour as a way of making themselves feel better about their loss whatever type it may be. The word 'honour' with regards to being a pirate is a very loose term, to say one does or does not have honour is subject to a persons personnal opinion perhaps nothing more. To claim you have 'honour' is also your own personnal opinion I guess. I could say that I would be upholding Pirate honour by ransoming then destroying your ship, to the pirate in their own opinion they still have their form of honour, in the victims they have not. Like others have said it may affect 'honourable' pirates with regards to extracting ransoms from targets, but you could say that they too have become victims of the 'unhonourable' pirates. Acts of piracy covers many topics to discuss and I also think that Honour covers just as many. And what it means to one pilot it does not always mean the same to the next pilot. Trust is another issue clossly related to honour, does a victim trust a pirate to honour his ransom request? Will he/she let his ship/pod go? Or is that KM just too glorious to pass up? Is there really any honour amoung pirates? |
Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service |
Posted - 2009.02.10 17:39:00 - [ 12]
You cannot spell "honour" without O U!  |
Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers |
Posted - 2009.02.10 17:45:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Brego Tralowski
So pirates are bound by honour? I see no mystic tome containing the rules regarding Pirate Honour. People have groaned at their ships loss after paying a ransom, but what did you expect - they're pirates!
So called 'Pirate Honour' has often been the subject of debate on the forums, with arguments for and against with no real winner. Those that pirate without 'honour' are said to be hurting the exploits of 'honourable' pirates, whilst those that are less 'honourable' are deemed even worse than pirates.
I know that if I were a pirate (and have had pirate tendencies of late) I would be deemed 'unhonourable' and this is why:
If I were a Pirate I would PvP, jump mission runners and all that other good stuff, I would ransom and still kill the dude/dudette. I see being a pirate as being a cut-throat profession, ransacking, destroying and taking isk where ever it presents itself, either through combat, scams or corp infilltration. No La dee daa about it.
I would like to see this fabled pirates honour code some people seem to go on about, I would like others thoughts and insights on this also. What does being a Pirate really mean to the people of Eve - pirates and victims alike.
What does YAARRR really mean these days?
YAARRR - acronym - Youth Against All Remote Repping Rodents DUH!  |
H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits Academy
The Gurlstas Associates |
Posted - 2009.02.10 18:02:00 - [ 14]
Edited by: H Lecter on 10/02/2009 18:13:25Posting in an e-honor thread again! Hi Sol and hi mom! To answer your question from my very personal point of view: If you gank mission runners in hisec it hardly matters if you let the pilot go after he paid. The mission runner chooses to engage you and after losing one rigged mission ship he will think twice about doing it a second time. In losec it's a different story. You can make a good income on ransoms, if people in the region know they will be left alone for a certain fee. If we make an agreement with some industrial corp that they can mine away for 100M per month without getting killed we are going to honor this agreement hoping to get the same deal another month or two. If we took the money and then blew them up, it would be difficult to get another 100M out of the loot and we would not get paid another month for sure. If I catch someone at a gate and he pays to live I am going to let him live and do the same when we meet again - believe it or not, repeated customers do exist in losec. There is no general definition of honor, but in our corp we got a Code of Conduct (you can take a look on our homepage by clicking on that brown book). Many other pirate corps do the same, many do not. This is a sandbox game, so it is even allowed to have honor as a pirate  [EDIT: If you feel tempted to start a discussion about spelling it honor or honour, don't do it, just kill yourself (in game) ] |
Ignition SemperFi
No Falcons Allowed
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Posted - 2009.02.10 18:10:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: Ignition SemperFi on 10/02/2009 18:10:12posting in this, is where i say i will always honor ransoms because thats what all the cool pirates do. You can trust me , im an honest fellah with honest morale ;-p |
Inara Subaka
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp |
Posted - 2009.02.10 18:46:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: kor anon
There is no particular ruleset for honour, its just good for business. The more honorable you are the more people will pay ransoms, and the more respected you become. At least thats the way i see it.
This. That's about the close to defining Pirate Honor you can get tbh. Originally by: Chomin H'ak
YAARRR - acronym - Youth Against All Remote Repping Rodents
DUH!
WIN! /thread |
Decimus Caedrius
Minmatar |
Posted - 2009.02.10 19:28:00 - [ 17]
Honor is about semantics. Plain and simple, I would honor a ransom to a degree, unless specifics were in place. Otherwise be happy that you left with your implants intact. Careful wording is everything, IMO. |
RedSplat |
Posted - 2009.02.10 19:33:00 - [ 18]
The Pirates Code |
Mag Mell |
Posted - 2009.02.10 20:16:00 - [ 19]
this thread delivers
ehonor CHECK
wall of text CHECK
no real purpose or questions CHECK
10/10 |
Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It |
Posted - 2009.02.10 20:26:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Mag Mell
this thread delivers
ehonor CHECK
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no real purpose or questions CHECK
10/10
this troll delivers waffle CHECK truncated bullet points CHECK no real purpose or questions CHECK 10/10 |
Liz Laser
The New Era
C0NVICTED |
Posted - 2009.02.10 20:29:00 - [ 21]
The O.P. just doesn't get it. Pirates are LONELY. They want to talk with other pilots. But other pilots are busy. So pirates warp scramble other pilots. Thus ensues conversations that would otherwise never occur.
Whether said conversation yields, isk, a big boom or BOTH is unimportant.
What's important is that the pirate usually isn't ignored.
If I ever get warp scrambled I'll probably just get up from the computer and make a sandwich. From what I've read in the forums, ransom negotiations look even more boring than mining. |
Sytoru Hiroshyma
Live and let burn |
Posted - 2009.02.10 21:31:00 - [ 22]
Honour? Our word is our Honour. We do whatever we say we will do, be it allowing you to leave with your ship, leave your ship in return for keeping your pod, paying to have a war dec lifted or to ensure immunity from a war dec or whatever.
Other than that, no hard and fast rules. |
Sol'Kanar
Private Nuisance
Segregati0n |
Posted - 2009.02.10 21:43:00 - [ 23]
lolnour |
H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits Academy
The Gurlstas Associates |
Posted - 2009.02.11 00:32:00 - [ 24]
Originally by: Liz Laser
The O.P. just doesn't get it. Pirates are LONELY. They want to talk with other pilots. But other pilots are busy. So pirates warp scramble other pilots. Thus ensues conversations that would otherwise never occur.
Whether said conversation yields, isk, a big boom or BOTH is unimportant.
What's important is that the pirate usually isn't ignored.
If I ever get warp scrambled I'll probably just get up from the computer and make a sandwich. From what I've read in the forums, ransom negotiations look even more boring than mining.
Guess you hit the nail right on the head - all we want is some social interaction |
RedSplat |
Posted - 2009.02.11 00:38:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: H Lecter
Originally by: Liz Laser
The O.P. just doesn't get it. Pirates are LONELY. They want to talk with other pilots. But other pilots are busy. So pirates warp scramble other pilots. Thus ensues conversations that would otherwise never occur.
Whether said conversation yields, isk, a big boom or BOTH is unimportant.
What's important is that the pirate usually isn't ignored.
If I ever get warp scrambled I'll probably just get up from the computer and make a sandwich. From what I've read in the forums, ransom negotiations look even more boring than mining.
Guess you hit the nail right on the head - all we want is some social interaction
Its true. Amamake has a spattering of vulnerable pilots that just want attention, that are just waiting for someone to warp to zero and give meaning to that cold, lonely existance. Worse still are those too shy to make even that small outreaching to their fellow humanity, forced to hide in safespots ever gazing at the directional scanner, this scant contact is often all they will have to comfort themselves. Hug a Pirate. |
Alia Xi
The Bastards
The Bastards. |
Posted - 2009.02.11 00:42:00 - [ 26]
Not honouring your ransom is like going into a shop with the intention to steal something, then paying for it. No, wait... Anyway where was I. Oh yeah, not honouring ransoms is bad mkay. It means that if you come across them in the future they aren't gonna pay you. As your reputation for not honouring ransoms spreads you stiff yourself out of a bit fat wallet of isk. If you want the killmail, shoot it until it goes bang. If you want isk then ransom it. You can't have your cake and eat it, well you can but that's besides the point. The point bit was above. If you want a bang and some isk, blow up the ship and then ransom the pod. Simple huh? Just like me  |
n000000000000b
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.11 01:06:00 - [ 27]
Edited by: n000000000000b on 11/02/2009 01:06:20but im not noob c/d? |
Lana Torrin
Brutor Tribe
|
Posted - 2009.02.11 01:08:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Alia Xi
some stuff
Rob shops, shoot people, eat cake.. gotcha. |
Decimus Caedrius
Minmatar |
Posted - 2009.02.11 05:17:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Sytoru Hiroshyma
Honour? Our word is our Honour. We do whatever we say we will do, be it allowing you to leave with your ship, leave your ship in return for keeping your pod, paying to have a war dec lifted or to ensure immunity from a war dec or whatever.
Other than that, no hard and fast rules.
Winsauce all over this. |
Brego Tralowski
Galactic Extensive Technologies
SUB ROSA ALLIANCE |
Posted - 2009.02.11 05:44:00 - [ 30]
Hi all, thanks for contributing to the thread so far. It would seem most pilots fall either side of the fence with some honouring ransoms and others not with a sprinkling of pilots falling into the grey area of ransom then kill anyway. One guy mentioned his corp had a code of conduct (which i'll have a look at, thanks for the link) which is interesting. Does this code get policed to any extent? Are there punishments for crossing the line? This subject interests me, and I appologise for there being no real question to this thread. I just thought it would be interesting to get others opinion on this subject, and for that I thank you all. I guess honour could be linked to peoples own concience, perhaps you would feel 'guilty' or letting yourself down in some way if you didn't honour your ransoms etc. Thats why we all love this game, you make your own rules and live by them whether you realise it or not, giving us all a chance to do things theres no way of doing in RL. But again, what does YAARR really mean these days? |
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