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Topic |
bUBbLeS
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2004.08.04 11:41:00 - [ 1]
hey i saw a cool dev blog that said they were close to the feature freeze and the RC1 for shiva
but as usual there were no time scales!
so....
is shiva STILL on target for Q3? (eg on TQ before sept 30th?)
do we have an approximate date for the RC on the new shiva test cluster?
could we get a comment from CCP just to tell us all is on track, or if the timescales have slipped?
thanks
cAKe!!
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Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden. |
Posted - 2004.08.04 11:46:00 - [ 2]
 Originally by: bUBbLeS
hey i saw a cool dev blog that said they were close to the feature freeze and the RC1 for shiva
but as usual there were no time scales!
Feature freeze has been scheduled for the end of August in most of the blogs I have read. |
bUBbLeS
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2004.08.04 11:50:00 - [ 3]
well if feature freeze is end of august, that tends to indicate a deadline slip
i sure as hell hope that shiva isnt going to go from RC to TQ in under 4 weeks!
i would of thought at least 4 weeks testing on the RC was in order just to find the bugs, let alone fix them...
although the new 1000 user cluster should rule out most of the chaos->tq bugs we have seen
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Lustralis |
Posted - 2004.08.04 11:51:00 - [ 4]
Originally by: bUBbLeS
well if feature freeze is end of august, that tends to indicate a deadline slip
i sure as hell hope that shiva isnt going to go from RC to TQ in under 4 weeks!
i would of thought at least 4 weeks testing on the RC was in order just to find the bugs, let alone fix them...
although the new 1000 user cluster should rule out most of the chaos->tq bugs we have seen
lol, did you experience beta? Feature freeze followed by "live" in under a month. Bit of a gamble but it has improved over time. |
Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2004.08.04 13:13:00 - [ 5]
Well, I agree that feature freeze for august 30th (2/3 into Q3) doesn't bode well for shiva makeing tq in Q3.
Of course I will wait for it, but letting it slip past yet another deadline reeks a bit imo.
Lame enough that september 30th is now more or less the universally accepted equivalent of the term know as Third Quarter.
Tho it could indeed become a case of 'dump it on TQ and pray' in order to make Q3 still, one never knows with ccp. |
Qwakrz
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
|
Posted - 2004.08.04 13:31:00 - [ 6]
Please please please please please please test it fully before being released on TQ.
I for one will gladly help test the code before final release & will try to spend as much of my free time on the test server trying to make a fool of myself for the sake of bug finding.
BTW if you dont help check for bugs, dont complain at a bug you find when it is released and say "Why didn't they bug test it before release" |
The Ratfink |
Posted - 2004.08.04 13:56:00 - [ 7]
i think some people are expecting too much from this patch yes the features have been advertised but i doubt they'll all be out when the patch is up it would be more of a gradual introduction with concurrent patches just like the current castor phase where you see the features of castor being gradually introduced |
Mikelangelo
Gallente |
Posted - 2004.08.04 14:42:00 - [ 8]
Heh, If CCP knows what's good for them, they had better be on target this time. Enough with the jokes about Soon(tm). Shiva had better be on time, and on target, with minimal hassle and bugs. Soon(tm), CCP will have SERIOUS competition for the gaming dollar, pound, franc, whatever, come October or November. World of Warcraft AND Everquest 2 are coming out, basically at the same time. I'm sure people will want to try those out at least for the free month. If CCP is serious about playing with the 800 pound gorillas of the online gaming world, one of these days they will actually have to deliver a product that is fairly bug-free, finished and actually ON TIME for a change.  |
Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
GeoCorp.
-Mostly Harmless- |
Posted - 2004.08.04 14:49:00 - [ 9]
Blizzard has done very well and their games always come a year too late :) Originally by: Mikelangelo
Heh,
If CCP knows what's good for them, they had better be on target this time. Enough with the jokes about Soon(tm). Shiva had better be on time, and on target, with minimal hassle and bugs.
Soon(tm), CCP will have SERIOUS competition for the gaming dollar, pound, franc, whatever, come October or November.
World of Warcraft AND Everquest 2 are coming out, basically at the same time. I'm sure people will want to try those out at least for the free month.
If CCP is serious about playing with the 800 pound gorillas of the online gaming world, one of these days they will actually have to deliver a product that is fairly bug-free, finished and actually ON TIME for a change.
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CCP kieron
 |
Posted - 2004.08.04 15:05:00 - [ 10]
I haven't heard anything about the release time table slipping. So, as far as I know, Shiva is still on target for a q3 release.
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Rowbin Hod
InterSun Freelance
The Forsaken. |
Posted - 2004.08.04 15:06:00 - [ 11]
Edited by: rowbin hod on 04/08/2004 15:08:21
edit: /me talked a bit of rubbish so removed it |
Kitten Hearder
Caldari |
Posted - 2004.08.04 15:39:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: kieron
I haven't heard anything about the release time table slipping. So, as far as I know, Shiva is still on target for a q3 release.
On target for a Quake 3 release? Excellent! |
London
Imminent Ruin
Dirt Nap Squad. |
Posted - 2004.08.04 15:42:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Mikelangelo
Heh,
If CCP knows what's good for them, they had better be on target this time. Enough with the jokes about Soon(tm). Shiva had better be on time, and on target, with minimal hassle and bugs.
Soon(tm), CCP will have SERIOUS competition for the gaming dollar, pound, franc, whatever, come October or November.
World of Warcraft AND Everquest 2 are coming out, basically at the same time. I'm sure people will want to try those out at least for the free month.
If CCP is serious about playing with the 800 pound gorillas of the online gaming world, one of these days they will actually have to deliver a product that is fairly bug-free, finished and actually ON TIME for a change.
Are you serious? Eve has always catered to a specific, specialized , and long-term market of players (elite..;) - also reflected in the long investment in gameplay to accomplish anything) Dont throw it up against games that try to appeal to a broad generic crowds, up for only the short-term. EQ has had millions of players, and guess how many still play? |
Rancid Mare
Caldari |
Posted - 2004.08.04 16:06:00 - [ 14]
as long as they (ccp) do not pull the same stunt as last time i shall be happy.
if its going to be Q3 then cool
if its going to be Q4 then cool as long as you dont wait till Q3 has come and gone to tell anyone.
of course there was the big appology last time around for doing this very thing. the question is if that was a genuin appology or just a polical style "they will forget it by next week" appology.
only a really really dumb peoples would make that mistake twice. |
bUBbLeS
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2004.08.04 16:33:00 - [ 15]
thanks for the prompt reply keiron
but please IF it is gonna slip
make sure someone lets us know sooner rather than later!
/me expectant mode on
cAKe
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Paw Sandberg
Gallente
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems |
Posted - 2004.08.04 16:34:00 - [ 16]
when it comes it comes
I personally can wait till next year if i have to (hope i dont)
Shiva is going to be awesome either way
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2004.08.04 16:57:00 - [ 17]
Well, no matter if itsw Q4 after all.
I really dislike the everquest, wow, UO etc environments nowadays.
KILL THEM ELVES ! |
Celticjim
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
|
Posted - 2004.08.04 17:34:00 - [ 18]
My guess is late Q4 or Q1 2005. I have lost complete faith in their ability to meet their own projections. They have consistently missed in the past, I believe this has become part of their corporate culture now. No real disincentive, that I am aware of, in their corporate structure to not make the projected timeframes.
London....couldn't disagree with you more. Appreciate the opinion,and would like to be considered one of those "elite" players as well due to the fact I have stuck it out this long, but on pure speculation, breaking point is reaching critical mass among the older players. Countless threads devoted to the fact people are dropping off that have been in game for quite some time. And then there are countless threads pointing out that new membership is increasing all the time and use the Sunday logon numbers to justify this argument.
I really don't know who is right, but can only offer opinion. The majority of the Eve playing base came from somewhere, and as the other poster stated, WoW and EQ2 are going to be a draw away from the Eve Community should the patch take much longer than the projected Q3 release.
Cheers
CJ |
Haratu
Shinie Stuff Salvagers
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 03:26:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Celticjim
My guess is late Q4 or Q1 2005. I have lost complete faith in their ability to meet their own projections. They have consistently missed in the past, I believe this has become part of their corporate culture now. No real disincentive, that I am aware of, in their corporate structure to not make the projected timeframes.
I reckon they will still release it before september 31st... dont doubt them for a second because their shiva page has tonnes of info and screenshots that show their work progressing. My experience is that even if they are 6 months behind they are still years ahead of Blizzard's delays. One of the many reasons i am playing Eve rather than waiting for World of Warcraft. |
Dao 2
Thenta-Makur
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Posted - 2004.08.05 03:37:00 - [ 20]
they might (and prob will in my opinion) release the first one or 2 PARTS of the multi-part (least what i figured so far) shiva expansion by the beginning of q3, meets their deadline too ;p >< and dont rush them! we no all the ppl that are whinin bout them not gettin it on time and them breakin promises are gonna whine bout the bugs too... i say thx to ccp and keep up the good work! |
G8torSkull
Minmatar
The High Hats
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 03:38:00 - [ 21]
if it is late its late just gives me more time to train my skills and save isk for the new ships and items. i so noob on the skill points i have. |
everaider |
Posted - 2004.08.05 04:32:00 - [ 22]
As far as the shiva pages and their work. I believe as stated in many CSMs they didnt even work on shiva at all during the last couple phases of castor. They might have to some excent recently, but before that everything that was shown to the public has been on chaos back in the December/January timeframe.
I agree with many old members that this advertising campaigne hurts the gameplay. The features in shiva or...the ones that actually make it have for a long time been discussed to keep attention to the game. Its a brillant way to keep players working in the game and keeps us all building for the future.
Certain features however should not be put on hold. Such features as corp management systems, greater securities, the IGB, openb markets, and lag fixes are all things that should have been in the game with castor.
Most people dont even care about the remaining tech 2 items or new ships as much as the static features that ease the current game play.
Of course the new ships and POS will be nice to have, but IMHO could have waited if these other types of features would have been implimented long ago.
But we are at CCPs mercy :). So I guess if we really want to see what titans wil be like we will simply have to wait for them after shiva. |
gk0r
Gallente
BIG |
Posted - 2004.08.05 05:19:00 - [ 23]
As long as they will not let the general public "test" Shiva before it's due - I am happy. Last thing I want to see are people on Chaos flying / building all the new stuff and training skills ahead of 'time' and then are 'ready' when patch finally hits TQ.
Rather pathetic discrimination it seems to me.
And of course we have been fed Shiva™ for way too long now to have the dead line extended on us. I am really waiting for POS, even if they will prove to be worthless (many have speculated on that subject in terms of their 'destroyability' and questionable defense capability which may result in utter loss of capital and content of POS to make them overall far from worth-while)
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Darkwolf
Caldari
TOG Empire
Combat Mining and Logistics |
Posted - 2004.08.05 06:28:00 - [ 24]
Originally by: Qwakrz
BTW if you dont help check for bugs, dont complain at a bug you find when it is released and say "Why didn't they bug test it before release"
Sorry, but it is not the customer's responsibility to QA check a program prior to it being released. Any company expecting such a thing is in for a big disappointment. |
Yamato
Caldari
Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2004.08.05 10:37:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Celticjim
London....couldn't disagree with you more. Appreciate the opinion,and would like to be considered one of those "elite" players as well due to the fact I have stuck it out this long, but on pure speculation, breaking point is reaching critical mass among the older players. Countless threads devoted to the fact people are dropping off that have been in game for quite some time. And then there are countless threads pointing out that new membership is increasing all the time and use the Sunday logon numbers to justify this argument.
Cheers
CJ
I believe homey was referring to "Elite" the game and not the whiney elite player base who storm around the forums *****in and moaning; which was a source of inspiration for Eve and X2 and other space trade type games. Linkage: http://www.frontier.co.uk/games/elite/ im rick james Beoootch! |
Alexis Machine
Minmatar
Asmoday Entertainment
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Posted - 2004.08.05 10:47:00 - [ 26]
I don't believe in shiva until I can download it and patch.  |
Bohr |
Posted - 2004.08.05 11:01:00 - [ 27]
Shive is out in Q3. I think CCP have specifically made sure of that no date is set cause of the sometimes heavy criticism EvE received after beta, even so, more after Castor release. This is at least the impression I have from reading the forums.
So to not risk such a mistake again, a release date won't appear, and I think you can be sure of it, till they are 110% sure it's ready. Not before or after. |
Celticjim
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
|
Posted - 2004.08.05 17:12:00 - [ 28]
To the general Eve Public, have to apologise. Meant to use the word "elite" as a play on words in a self deprecating manner, but appears I have failed. No intent on calling myself elite, believe you me.
However, after saying that, Yamato, pull your head out of your mushroom lining. Cripes man...do some background checks on some of us before you start accusing us of being whiny ass elite players. Check our old posts. Look at how the mood changes. Cripes...what? ....you thought I woke up one day and decided, hmmpphg...'nuff of that....can't stand CCP. Hell...I think my own posts a few months back said I preferred for a bug free release than a shoddy one.
bUBbLes original post was to do with the Shiva release of Q3 and whether or not if was on target. People started to give their opinions including myself. Perhaps shouldn't have done it and for that apologise. But at least I didn't take the opportunity to take one commment, and distort it to show off my "l33t" board forum skills.
If I have totally misinterpreted your post Yam...than I do apologise. Often tough to get a feel for tonality off the written word.
buBbLes, sorry bout post. I am hoping Q3 is on target, and would be nice to see official reponse of some sort to give us a heads up.
Cheers
CJ |
flummox |
Posted - 2004.08.05 17:20:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Qwakrz
BTW if you dont help check for bugs, dont complain at a bug you find when it is released and say "Why didn't they bug test it before release"
excuse me?! i DO test for bugs... everytime i type in my password and hit the CONNECT button on TQ... |
Mynobe Soletae |
Posted - 2004.08.05 19:00:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: Qwakrz
BTW if you dont help check for bugs, dont complain at a bug you find when it is released and say "Why didn't they bug test it before release."
Bug testing does not guarantee bug fixing. Especially with CCP. You should know that. |
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