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Atomos Darksun
D00M.
Northern Coalition. |
Posted - 2009.01.24 01:43:00 - [ 1]
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Vabjekf |
Posted - 2009.01.24 02:40:00 - [ 2]
I said this was possible years ago and everyone told me that's not how physics works.
Good job you ******ed 'educated' morons. School serves as nothing but chains for the mind! CHAINS!!!1 |
emepror
Gallente
Ferrius Vigalans Razoris
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Posted - 2009.01.24 03:08:00 - [ 3]
well knowing the world powers i bet we have this now....
mars missions already occurring anyone???? |
Dau Imperius
Amarr |
Posted - 2009.01.24 03:16:00 - [ 4]
Beam my e-mail up scotty? |
Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm. |
Posted - 2009.01.24 03:30:00 - [ 5]
 Originally by: emepror
well knowing the world powers i bet we have this now....
mars missions already occurring anyone????
I doubt it, no geysers there on which to park the recycler. |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam |
Posted - 2009.01.24 03:40:00 - [ 6]
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2009.01.24 03:40:00 - [ 7]
ensign: "email for you Sir"
captain: "dammit ensign! i told you to never acknowledge the message. now its gone and destroyed itself"
ensign: "sorry sir"
captain looks busy
ensign: "why not write another message asking them to resend it?"
captain: "DAMMIT man what do you think i was doing. now you've made me acknowledge it and it destroyed itself. i'll have to start again...."
ensign: "sir.."
captain: *crumples up yet another paper* *looking frustrated*
ensign: "...i'll just go swab the deck then"
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.24 03:57:00 - [ 8]
No, we're not getting to Faster-Than-Light Communications that way. You can't transfer information faster than light with this method. Better read the article a bit more carefully  |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr |
Posted - 2009.01.24 04:10:00 - [ 9]
Edited by: EnslaverOfMinmatar on 24/01/2009 04:19:16 Originally by: Akita T
No, we're not getting to Faster-Than-Light Communications that way.
You can't transfer information faster than light with this method.
Better read the article a bit more carefully
Who cares if nobody's gonna read the message, it's still FTL. Now they gotta figure out how to do some kind of FTL sabotage in remote location by using this stuff Also what do all those people that claim that the speed of light is the fastest speed have to say about it? Maybe they got it wrong and the qubit doesn't teleport, but gets destroyed and then created at another atom or they can't detect it's movement etc etc Maybe it's a hoax and they wrote all that stuff to get funds. |
Vabjekf |
Posted - 2009.01.24 04:28:00 - [ 10]
you don't have to be able to read the message, you just have to be able to detect that there was a message.
then you can just send binary datas. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.24 06:17:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
Maybe they got it wrong and the qubit doesn't teleport, but gets destroyed and then created at another atom or they can't detect it's movement etc etc
Maybe it's a hoax and they wrote all that stuff to get funds.
*sigh* |
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.24 07:21:00 - [ 12]
one step closer to FTW communication and perhaps travel i pay no attention to those wannabee Physics proffesors that go around saying FTL anything is impossible, but what they also dont know is that breaking the sound barrier was also considered impossible, and escaping from the atmosphere was impossible, and that the earth was flat, and birds were born from trees no optimisim left in this world . . . .  |
Vabjekf |
Posted - 2009.01.24 07:28:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
one step closer to FTW communication and perhaps travel
i pay no attention to those wannabee Physics proffesors that go around saying FTL anything is impossible, but what they also dont know is that breaking the sound barrier was also considered impossible, and escaping from the atmosphere was impossible, and that the earth was flat, and birds were born from trees
no optimisim left in this world . . . .
Its just science becoming another religion. Lots of people are afraid of not knowing things so they latch onto stuff they can say are definite. Corrupts science into a series of absolutes instead of a fluid thing where nothing is taken for granted and any idea has the potential to be the next breakthrough. But honestly thats what you get, back when only actually gifted people got a high education things were better, now you have plenty of people with out the insight or wisdom learning a bunch of things they dont actually know how to use. You learn what people have already tried and what the results were, not 'how things are'. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.24 10:03:00 - [ 14]
Edited by: Akita T on 24/01/2009 10:04:48 Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
one step closer to FTW communication and perhaps travel
QUANTUM teleportation isn't the "Star Trek" version of teleportation, for starters. Second, it doesn't exactly have any kind of faster-than-light applications, as any possible *practical* application we can think of that would make any sense (i.e. have any use) also requires a "normal" data channel, which is slower-than-light. Quote:
no optimisim left in this world . . . .
Oh, and why do you think the guys working on this ARE working on this ? Do you think they believe they can discover FTL communication or maybe even FTL travel ?!? No, they need this or something else entirely, namely quantum computing. Originally by: Vabjekf
Its just science becoming another religion.
You DIDN't just say that, did you ? Yes you did... oh, snap. Quote:
back when only actually gifted people got a high education things were better, now you have plenty of people with out the insight or wisdom learning a bunch of things they dont actually know how to use.
You learn what people have already tried and what the results were, not 'how things are'.
Considering the post you quoted, I should be the one that makes a disparaging comment of "they try to teach stuff to people unable to comprehend it so they go around talking nonsense because they think they know something". To put things into perspective, complaining about entanglement or quantum teleportation post-experiment observations stating that it's got nothing to do with FTL anything is like complaining about people pointing out the fact you can't possibly turn lead into gold with electrolysis. The fact you CAN turn lead into gold is another matter altogether - but it requires a lot more energy's worth to be expended than gold actually is worth (so it's unfeasable right now), and it's got nothing to do with electrolysis (which we are fairly certain can't do that change, you need to use particle accelerators instead). In other words, FTL comms and FTL travel MIGHT eventually be perfected (if the human race lives long enough)... but it will NOT be directly linked to nor a direct application of quantum teleportation and/or particle entanglement. Now, a REGULAR teleporter however, that would be a more or less direct application of quantum teleportation, but it wouldn't be faster-than-light, as it would work perfectly with a slower-than-light regular comm channel. A FTL comm channel (if we actually manage to ever discover FTL comms) is not required, but could be used if available, so you would actually get a form of FTL travel too that way. |
Elysarian
Minmatar
Elysarian Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.24 10:35:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
one step closer to FTW communication and perhaps travel
i pay no attention to those wannabee Physics proffesors that go around saying FTL anything is impossible, but what they also dont know is that breaking the sound barrier was also considered impossible, and escaping from the atmosphere was impossible, and that the earth was flat, and birds were born from trees
no optimisim left in this world . . . .
I have to point out the one error in your post here: There's no evidence to support the idea that people have ever thought the world to be flat. Stephen Fry said so on QI so it must be true  |
Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance |
Posted - 2009.01.24 10:43:00 - [ 16]
I would never use a teleporter anyway. You go in, vanish, and nothing actually says that it will be *you* that comes out the other side. |
7shining7one7 |
Posted - 2009.01.24 14:37:00 - [ 17]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 24/01/2009 14:39:20 Originally by: Vabjekf
I said this was possible years ago and everyone told me that's not how physics works.
Good job you ******ed 'educated' morons. School serves as nothing but chains for the mind! CHAINS!!!1
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.24 15:28:00 - [ 18]
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rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2009.01.24 15:49:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
It's getting there.
Yes but we will still have this error: Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.24 15:50:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
but it is still a step in that direction
If by "that direction" you mean "Star-Trek-like teleportation", then yes, you are somewhat correct. If however you meant "FTL communication or FTL travel", then no. |
Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2009.01.24 23:10:00 - [ 21]
Quantum teleportation allows information to be transmitted between distant particles at the speed of light. It does not allow the information to go faster than the speed of light. If I'm reading this correctly, what's exciting about this is that they caused a quantum bit to be shared between two atoms and then read the state of one without destroying the state stored in the other. If they can prove that the second particle is storing the same bit as was read from the first particle, wouldn't that allow us to read the state of a quantum bit effectively without destroying it? |
David Kang |
Posted - 2009.01.25 00:49:00 - [ 22]
Edited by: David Kang on 25/01/2009 01:00:06Edited by: David Kang on 25/01/2009 00:58:42Edited by: David Kang on 25/01/2009 00:56:54 Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
but it is still a step in that direction
If by "that direction" you mean "Star-Trek-like teleportation", then yes, you are somewhat correct.
If however you meant "FTL communication or FTL travel", then no.
Technically this could be invalid especially if the theory of our holographic state is true. Imagine this, you are on a flat piece of A4 piece of paper on the far left edge. for you to get from the left to right would take you an imaginary 20 light years. A to B via classical mechanics. because we are travelling across the paper we cannot exceed the speed of light (Maybe its a friction of sorts?) But the reason it is like this is because we happen to be flat landers. (2d objects) So what happens if Quantum entanglement is actually effecting the true 3rd dimensional plain. and we are meraly bridging the gap between point A and point B by using the true 3rd dimensional plain Imagine the tenth dimensionThis ties in perfectly of what we understand about string theory. it also means quantum entanglement is going to be very important very quickly. Also using the same analogy if we place a heavy object on the paper it warps it forming a dent into our paper forming gravity? In fact question this is we are truly 2D then that's why we cannot explain gravity. from our prospective its just a dent in the A4 paper, which effects us. if we were to move into the true 3D then we would see gravity for what it actually is. This is just an idea I have been kicking around.  If this is the case. Stop thinking 3D and start thinking 2D it can be hard to grasp for some people but this makes Perfect sense to me (us begin 2D). |
Stitcher
Caldari |
Posted - 2009.01.25 11:55:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: David Kang
Also using the same analogy if we place a heavy object on the paper it warps it forming a dent into our paper forming gravity? In fact question this is we are truly 2D then that's why we cannot explain gravity. from our prospective its just a dent in the A4 paper, which effects us. if we were to move into the true 3D then we would see gravity for what it actually is.
This is just an idea I have been kicking around.
If this is the case. Stop thinking 3D and start thinking 2D it can be hard to grasp for some people but this makes Perfect sense to me (us begin 2D).
Given that my laptop is currently resting on my knees, with the top left corner of the keyboard being physically lower than the bottom right corner, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that we exist in 2D space. We even see in 3D. By looking at my coat hung on the door, I can see how far away it is, not just how wide and tall it is. Binocular vision. I have a kinesthetic sense that tells me where each of my body parts is right now - my sense of balance says that my head is above my hands at the moment. All of our sense tell us that we're in a 3D world. However, we're seeing it as a progression of 4-D frames because we're 3D creatures and thus only capable of experiencing time as a progression of 3D states of being, rather than seeing the whole thing at once. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition. |
Posted - 2009.01.25 12:07:00 - [ 24]
Oh dear not the FTL discussion. |
David Kang |
Posted - 2009.01.25 13:58:00 - [ 25]
Edited by: David Kang on 25/01/2009 14:02:49 Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: David Kang
Also using the same analogy if we place a heavy object on the paper it warps it forming a dent into our paper forming gravity? In fact question this is we are truly 2D then that's why we cannot explain gravity. from our prospective its just a dent in the A4 paper, which effects us. if we were to move into the true 3D then we would see gravity for what it actually is.
This is just an idea I have been kicking around.
If this is the case. Stop thinking 3D and start thinking 2D it can be hard to grasp for some people but this makes Perfect sense to me (us begin 2D).
Given that my laptop is currently resting on my knees, with the top left corner of the keyboard being physically lower than the bottom right corner, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that we exist in 2D space. We even see in 3D. By looking at my coat hung on the door, I can see how far away it is, not just how wide and tall it is. Binocular vision.
I have a kinesthetic sense that tells me where each of my body parts is right now - my sense of balance says that my head is above my hands at the moment.
All of our sense tell us that we're in a 3D world. However, we're seeing it as a progression of 4-D frames because we're 3D creatures and thus only capable of experiencing time as a progression of 3D states of being, rather than seeing the whole thing at once.
Agreed 100% BUT! But if light has created the illusion of 3D wouldn't it make sense that our senses would evolve to see everything in 3D even if it does not exists? If you haven't noticed there is light constantly around us so we have always lived in the illusionary state. Think of this as going to watch a 3D movie at the cinemas with those wired glasses. you the outside observer knows that what your watching is 2D until you put the glasses on then it becomes 3D. So what happens if you had been born with the glasses on? you would get the illusion that you were 3D your sense would tell you your 3D everything seems 3D but to the outside observer you are 2D. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.25 15:07:00 - [ 26]
I think you read way too much into the other "holographic graininess of the universe" newsbit... the jury's still way out on that one.
On the other hand, why bloody stop at 2D and not claim we're actually living in dimensionless space (as in, all particles exist in the very same spot all together, or in other words the BigBang never happened and we're still inside it), and the only reason why we perceive it in 3D is because the way the interaction between particles work, with only changes in interactions between them measured in quantifiable energy states. The jury however is shaking its head dissaprovingly on that one. But if it WOULD be true, not just FTL but instantaneous communication and travel would be possible once we can figure a way to "break" those "natural" limits.
Seriously, we can all go ahead and blurt out any sort of hypothesis, but before it CAN be tested, it's not much more than wild guessing. And once it can be tested, there's still a lot to do before you can get any practical application out of it. If at all.
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David Kang |
Posted - 2009.01.25 17:43:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Akita T
I think you read way too much into the other "holographic graininess of the universe" newsbit... the jury's still way out on that one.
On the other hand, why bloody stop at 2D and not claim we're actually living in dimensionless space (as in, all particles exist in the very same spot all together, or in other words the BigBang never happened and we're still inside it), and the only reason why we perceive it in 3D is because the way the interaction between particles work, with only changes in interactions between them measured in quantifiable energy states. The jury however is shaking its head dissaprovingly on that one. But if it WOULD be true, not just FTL but instantaneous communication and travel would be possible once we can figure a way to "break" those "natural" limits.
Seriously, we can all go ahead and blurt out any sort of hypothesis, but before it CAN be tested, it's not much more than wild guessing. And once it can be tested, there's still a lot to do before you can get any practical application out of it. If at all.
Agreed and I hope his hypothesis is tested vigorously. Like I said it was just an idea I was kicking around But to quote Albert Einstein himself "Imagination is more important than knowledge." "The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing." |
bff Jill |
Posted - 2009.01.25 18:39:00 - [ 28]
Edited by: bff Jill on 25/01/2009 18:46:18Edited by: bff Jill on 25/01/2009 18:42:19 Originally by: Akita T
I think you read way too much into the other "holographic graininess of the universe" newsbit... the jury's still way out on that one.
On the other hand, why bloody stop at 2D and not claim we're actually living in dimensionless space (as in, all particles exist in the very same spot all together, or in other words the BigBang never happened and we're still inside it), and the only reason why we perceive it in 3D is because the way the interaction between particles work, with only changes in interactions between them measured in quantifiable energy states. The jury however is shaking its head dissaprovingly on that one. But if it WOULD be true, not just FTL but instantaneous communication and travel would be possible once we can figure a way to "break" those "natural" limits.
I thought everyone already knew thats how things really were? Everything is coexisting simultaneously. All time is the same time, all space is the same space. All that really exists is potential. ^^ But this has nothing to do with distance as we know it. three dimensions (or two lol holograms) are part of our universes expression of itself and as part of said universe ourselves we have to work with them. The goal is to track down the underlying mechanics of the universe we know, so we can effect it. Because EVERYTHING is part of that singular 'thing', anything we do or cause, or anything that started being in our universe would just be some other possibility coming up and being for a while. Weve just got to work out how to coax it into being, though it may be coexisting with everything else, you've still got to linearly effect the rules of the current manifestations to lead to the others. No shortcuts since we are trapped inside. |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr |
Posted - 2009.01.25 20:37:00 - [ 29]
After they will be done with FTL communication, they should start working on FTW communication |
Atama Cardel
Perkone |
Posted - 2009.01.26 03:42:00 - [ 30]
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