| Author |
Topic |
Aaronm100
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic |
Posted - 2009.01.10 10:57:00 - [ 1]
I've been playing this game about three weeks now and i just started to read the forums and see people talking about how a properly fitted frigate can take out a cruiser. Now i just bought my drake yesterday and having barely any knowledge with the game i was wondering if people could help me with what would be best for my drake.
Currently i have 6x heavy missile lauchers with the kinetic missile, a 10MN afterburner, a large shield booster, 4 medium shield extenders, small amour repair, damage control 1, and a 100mm reinforcment.
I realise that this probably isn't that good so any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks |
TFBeyond
Caldari
Darkstorm Command
Ethereal Dawn |
Posted - 2009.01.10 11:05:00 - [ 2]
Ouch on the mixed active/passive/armour tank...
Search the forums or battleclinic.com for any one of the several dozen identical passive drake fits.
This is, of course, assuming you're fitting it for missions. |
NoNah |
Posted - 2009.01.10 11:05:00 - [ 3]
Depends on what you want to do. A few basic rules though:
1. Never ever use multiple tanks. Either you shieldtank, armortank or hulltank - you never ever do a combination thereof.
2. Use all your turret OR launcher hardpoints. Leaving one free normally means you've done something wrong or you're very well aware of what you're doing.
3. Be very cautious with combinations of buffer and active tanks. Most of the time one or the other will excel. That said you will find combinations there of very well applicable in certain pvp-scenarios.
4. Missiles have a number of advantages - being able to pick damagetypes one of the best. Use that fact.
5. There are tons and tons of setups, most of them will be crap at what you intend to do next. If it's specialized it's probably not specialized in what you're doing, if it's allround it could be improved for your tasks. Think.
6. You won't know anything about the game however much you read and get adviced, you will need to try things and learn for yourself.
7. Get EFT, use it as a tool, not a religious guidance. Think. Try.
Now, you never mentioned what you were going to use the Drake for. |
Ron Armatech |
Posted - 2009.01.10 11:07:00 - [ 4]
first of all you dont want that armor repper, plate and damage control. afterburner is not necessary too.
I would suggest:
7x heavy missile launcher (best named)
meds:
3x large shield extender
3x active shield hardener (damage type to match mission rats)
lows:
4x shield power relay
rigs:
2x em screen reinforcer
1x thermal screen reinforcer
Note: Im assuming ur really low on SP and money, better setup would look like that:
7x Heavy launchers (T2/best named again)
meds:
3x LSE II
3x hardener II
lows:
2x SPR II
2x BCU II
rigs:
3x field extenders or purgers
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NoNah |
Posted - 2009.01.10 11:11:00 - [ 5]
As for a fitting, it's just an example and I doubt you will be able to use it yet, but it's a nice one when you can.
[Drake, pewpew]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Reactor Control Unit II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Medium EMP Smartbomb I /OFFLINE
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
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Aaronm100
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic |
Posted - 2009.01.10 11:12:00 - [ 6]
Oh yeh i'm mainly using it for mission at the moment. Don't really want to PVP and lose it since i only have about 500k left after buying it. |
NoNah |
Posted - 2009.01.10 11:18:00 - [ 7]
 Originally by: Aaronm100
Oh yeh i'm mainly using it for mission at the moment. Don't really want to PVP and lose it since i only have about 500k left after buying it.
That right there is a ticket for some random griefer to come and kill you. You might've missed rule #1 in eve of "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose." That said if you don't mind going back to caracals or kestrels for a while there's nothing wrong with flying a drake, but be aware that next time you undock the ship is already lost. If you manage to redock, you got lucky. |
Aaronm100
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic |
Posted - 2009.01.10 11:24:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Aaronm100
Oh yeh i'm mainly using it for mission at the moment. Don't really want to PVP and lose it since i only have about 500k left after buying it.
That right there is a ticket for some random griefer to come and kill you. You might've missed rule #1 in eve of "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose." That said if you don't mind going back to caracals or kestrels for a while there's nothing wrong with flying a drake, but be aware that next time you undock the ship is already lost. If you manage to redock, you got lucky.
Haha well i don't mind loosing it, i have two caracals anyway so it doesn't bother me if i end up having to fly them for a while. L2 / L3 mission weren't that much of a challenge anyway even for my caracal. |
Adyriana |
Posted - 2009.01.10 11:36:00 - [ 9]
Just to clarify some things before I'll post my mission running Drake. Never rush to fly bigger ships, better to have some more backup skills to support you than to go in with just about 1 mill sp.
Second. Yes I know you're new so I'll give a little hint about tanking. Each ship is better at tanking at something after what the ship is used for. For missions, Drakes are good with passive shield tanking. Believe that the same Drake is better out with active shield tanking in PvP I think, not quite sure. But 97% of all Caldari ships use shield tanking.
Anyways here's what I use when doing missions.
High:
7x Heavy Missile Launcher I / Scourge
1x Tractor Beam I
Med:
1x Invul Field II
2x Large Shield Extender II
3x Shield Rechargers II
Low:
1x Ballistic Control Unit I
3x Shield Power Relay II
Rigs:
Core DefenceField Purger I
Drones:
Hornet I
Only lost the ship once in about... 3-4 months? Forgot that the armor and hull got very little tank compared to the shield. But always use II modules if you can, except rigs, they can be excused I guess. |
Forum Chav |
Posted - 2009.01.10 11:43:00 - [ 10]
Edited by: Forum Chav on 10/01/2009 11:43:43 Originally by: Aaronm100
...L2 / L3 mission weren't that much of a challenge anyway even for my caracal.
couple of points. first is, can you really get into a lvl3 after as many weeks playing? jeez, things have certainly changed since i started playing in '04. seems like people have skills and abilities thrust upon them now compared to when i started  secondly, even a lo-skilled pilot should be able to walk through lvl3's in a drake. simply passive tank it and spam. not much help in the way of ittings i know, but i can't remember what skills you would have after only three weeks [see first point, lol]. however, welcome to the game and you do realise that your soical life, gilfriend, school/college are becoming a bunch of people waving at you in the rapidly receding distance yeah?  |
Aaronm100
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic |
Posted - 2009.01.10 11:50:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Forum Chav
Edited by: Forum Chav on 10/01/2009 11:43:43
Originally by: Aaronm100
...L2 / L3 mission weren't that much of a challenge anyway even for my caracal.
couple of points. first is, can you really get into a lvl3 after as many weeks playing? jeez, things have certainly changed since i started playing in '04. seems like people have skills and abilities thrust upon them now compared to when i started
secondly, even a lo-skilled pilot should be able to walk through lvl3's in a drake. simply passive tank it and spam.
not much help in the way of ittings i know, but i can't remember what skills you would have after only three weeks [see first point, lol]. however, welcome to the game and you do realise that your soical life, gilfriend, school/college are becoming a bunch of people waving at you in the rapidly receding distance yeah?
Haha yeh admittedly i don't have alot of skills and i'm not flying constant L3's but the ones i've done seem pretty easy. It's a good job i don't have much of a social life then :P I've played alot of games before this so my girlfriend is pretty much used to me leaving her to come and play eve while she watches TV now haha. |
Tanith YarnDemon |
Posted - 2009.01.10 11:51:00 - [ 12]
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Forum Chav |
Posted - 2009.01.10 11:57:00 - [ 13]
Edited by: Forum Chav on 10/01/2009 11:58:49
having said that, here's a slightly alternative fit;
7 x hml
sensor booster w/distance script
10mn afterburner
large shield extender
b-type small shield booster
medium battery
invulnerability field
3 ballistic control systems
damage control
warp in, set orbit to 85km's [or whatever you can lock out to], hit afterburner [keep it perma-running], keep the damage control, invulnerability field, sensor booster also perma-running and keep as many npc's locked as possible. also, if you can use them, fit 5 small drones which will help with your damage as they are good for taking out frigate sized npc's that can webifier and/or scramble you. make sure you concentrate on those webifier npc's as they can really spoil your day.
as for rigs, i would advise on boosting the resistances that are specific to the type of mission npc's your agent sends you up against. for example, when i use a drake for some lvl4's, i have two anti-thermal rigs and one anti-kinetic rigs [nice and cheap :-)] because i face rats that do almost all of their damage onto those two resistances.
there are a whole host of skills that are there to help you, but remember to take one thing at a time.
the ship won't perform anywhere near it's potential yet because you won't have the skills to maximise it's potential yet. i would seriously advise staying in a ship that you can use , although i don't know anyone who ever did, lol. |
Aaronm100
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic |
Posted - 2009.01.10 11:57:00 - [ 14]
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Tanith YarnDemon |
Posted - 2009.01.10 12:04:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Aaronm100
Never paid!? The way i'm going i think i'll be still paying for about another year before i can afford a raven and pay with my ISK.
As a quick word of advice, the Drake is MUCH more skillintensive than a Raven for simple basic missionrunning. |
Forum Chav |
Posted - 2009.01.10 12:08:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Aaronm100
...Never paid!? The way i'm going i think i'll be still paying for about another year before i can afford a raven and pay with my ISK.
i used to think exactly like this whilst on lvl3's. others in the corp i was with at the time used to lol at me when i posted a o.0 in corp chat when they talked about hundreds of millions of isk for a ship or a module. believe me, as soon as you start running decent lvl4's and have trained up your social skills [worth it if you intend to run missions for some time] then hundreds of millions of isk will be yours, and you then will come back to the forums and say exactly what i'm saying to those alike you in the future who have just joined.  |
Gavin DeVries |
Posted - 2009.01.10 14:52:00 - [ 17]
My mission Drake setup currently:
[High]
7x 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
Drone Link Augmentor
[Mid]
2x Large Shield Extender II
2x Mission specific hardener 1
2x Mission specific hardener 2
[Low]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay
3x Ballistic Control Unit II
[Rig]
3x Core Defense Field Purger I
I don't think this could tank some level 4 missions, but as long as I stay moving it has tanked A Million Little Pieces without breaking. |
Leeluvv
The Black Ops
|
Posted - 2009.01.11 22:53:00 - [ 18]
A Drake's Passive tank is all about maximising your shield recharge, which is the max shield divided by your recharge rate, but you also need to consider your resists, because taking less damage is also good.
The best standard tank you can put on a Drake is as follows:
Mids:
3 Large Shield Extenders (this increases your shield total. The 3rd one makes a big difference)
3 ACTIVE rat specific hardeners (This increases your resists, but you may not be cap stable with 3. Mine only lasts 1 hour before I run out of cap!!).
Lows:
2 x Shield Power Relay (this improves your recharge time)
1 x Ballistic Control System (you need some DPS)
1 x SPR or BCS (Add SPR for more tank, BCS for more gank).
Rigs:
3 x Code Defence Field Purger (this improves your recharge time)
Obviously, this will depends on skills etc, which is why I haven't said which type of mod to fit. Fit what you can use and afford.
NOTE, that the shield recharge rate also increases as your shield drops to a maximum bonus of about 2.5 at 25% to 30% shields. There is nothing wrong with your shields being stable at 35%, but if it starts to drop lower, it's time to prepare to leave.
Lee
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The Tzar
FinFleet
Raiden. |
Posted - 2009.01.12 08:26:00 - [ 19]
A nub in a drake? No way.
Smartbombs are fun and have good graphics. |
Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps |
Posted - 2009.01.12 10:03:00 - [ 20]
Go back to flying your Caracal until it gets blown up in a mission. Use the money your Caracal earns to pay for the fittings on your Drake.
As for which fittings, it's a fairly easy choice:
7 Heavy Missile Launchers in the highs
2-3 Large Extenders and the rest as Hardenersin the mids
1-3 Shield Power Relay & 1-3 Ballistic Control System in the lows
3 Core defence field purger rigs or field extender if you intend to PvP in this ship at some time in the future. |
Noemi Nagano |
Posted - 2009.01.12 12:08:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Gavin DeVries
My mission Drake setup currently:
[High]
7x 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
Drone Link Augmentor
[Mid]
2x Large Shield Extender II
2x Mission specific hardener 1
2x Mission specific hardener 2
[Low]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay
3x Ballistic Control Unit II
[Rig]
3x Core Defense Field Purger I
I don't think this could tank some level 4 missions, but as long as I stay moving it has tanked A Million Little Pieces without breaking.
I am pretty sure this can do most lvl 4 with no problem at all - if you got enough DPS to break Rachen Mysunas tank :D .. relevant skills should be most on 4 though, but for lvl 4 missions lvl 4 skills are a good choice anyway ;) |
Andrue
Amarr |
Posted - 2009.01.12 12:19:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Tanith YarnDemon
Originally by: Aaronm100
Never paid!? The way i'm going i think i'll be still paying for about another year before i can afford a raven and pay with my ISK.
As a quick word of advice, the Drake is MUCH more skillintensive than a Raven for simple basic missionrunning.
..and slower. It's a great way to get your foot on the ladder of L4s but should not be considered to be an L4 mission ship for most people(*). The Raven hull is the way go with a possible diversion onto the Nighthawk (Ferox hull) if you want to achieve absolutely security for minimum cost.  (*)It's great if you are using L4s to grind your security status though. |
Mara Rinn |
Posted - 2009.01.12 12:53:00 - [ 23]
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 12/01/2009 12:54:26I run level 4s just fine in a Drake. Then again, I have an alt flying a Dominix providing DPS :) I was happily tanking level 4s without warpouts with 2 x Large Regolith Extenders (FS9 or some such?) until I trained up for T2. Highs were a bunch of heavy missile launchers and an empty slot. Mids: Two extenders, a shield recharger, two hardeners picked for the mission, afterburner. Lows: Shield Power Relays, Damage Control Once I had the skills for T2 stuff, and hadn't got close to losing the Drake for a few days, I rigged it with the Core Defense Field Purgers, now I'm replacing the SPRs with Ballistic Control Units. I should also be replacing the Shield Recharger with a Target Painter. The spare slot is there for when I get the skills trained up to squeeze a drone link augmentor in with the tight CPU & Powergrid. The secret to running L4s in an T1 fit drake is to shoot the enemy while running away from them. Stay out of 50km and you'll be out of range of all but the longest ranged battleships, stay out of 20km and you'll be out of range of the high damage short range weapons (autocannons, blasters). Have fun, and rest assured that the skills you train to fly a Drake well, will directly translate to flying a Raven well too. From my experience, I would recommend jumping to a Raven as soon as you can. Try it out for a mission or two, and when you know what the limits are you can decide to run with the Raven or the Drake as you see fit. Make sure you read the Mission Survival Guide! edit: Spelign |
fatherted1989
Red Horizon Inc |
Posted - 2009.01.12 18:00:00 - [ 24]
If it's a PVE fit:
7x Heavy launchers
1x Tractor Beam (offline)
2x Large Shield extenders
4x Resistance Amps (configure according to mission specs)
1x Ballistic Control Unit
3x Shield Power Relay
5x Hobgoblin drones
3x Field Purger rigs
Eventually go all T2 (cept rigs+ drones), and it's a PVE mission rapist, has 0% problem with any level3, and can hold it's own in most Lvl4's |
Caffeine Junkie
Alpha-Strike |
Posted - 2009.01.12 18:13:00 - [ 25]
Just a general bit of help with fitting ships.
Pick one thing and focus all your fittings on doing that.
So either fit it with
A Shield Tank or an Armour Tank, not both.
Guns or Missiles (with the exception of Minmatar ships)
Active Tank (Reps / Booster) or HP Buffer (extenders / plates)
Gank (Firepower) or Tank (Survivability)
For gank fit the biggest weapons you can and at least 2, pref 3 damage mods.
For Tank fit, sacrific the firepower of your weapons (size + damage mods) to allow for more tanking mods (hardeners, reps / booster, extenders etc).
You will generally find that smaller guns and an active tank (boosted / repped) fit well together, and gank fit (big guns etc) goes well with an HP buffer tank.
In most scenarios I opt for buffer tank and firepower as rarely will you in engage 1v1 where your active tank will make a difference.
The one exception to these rules is the Drake (and technically the Myrmidon) and some Heavy Interdictors which can use a large shield buffer tank in combination with Shield Power Relays to create a "passive shield tank", which relys on reducing the shield regen time to such a point that I can tank on the regeneration of the shield alone.
Hope this helps.
CJ
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Fish Bulb
Perkone
|
Posted - 2009.01.12 22:40:00 - [ 26]
The Drake is the best because you can start w/ L3 missions and as your skills and wallet improve you can upgrade to T2 components and fly L4 just fine. However HMs can be a bit of a grind against a BS and multiple BCS IIs are a must.
Remember to always use Kinetic Missiles (Scourge variant)because the Drake gives you a 5% damage increase on kinetic damage per BC skill level. |
Leeluvv
The Black Ops
|
Posted - 2009.01.13 10:01:00 - [ 27]
Edited by: Leeluvv on 13/01/2009 10:07:08 Originally by: Mara Rinn
Mids: Two extenders, a shield recharger, two hardeners picked for the mission, afterburner.
If you can, always fit three extenders for a number of reasons: Each one adds more hits than the previous one and the extra hits also increase the amount of shield recharged each cycle due to the way passive tanking works. A resist Amplifier or Hardener is better than a Shield Recharger. Use Hardeners if you can. Yes they use cap, but they increase your resists by more than Amplifers, thus giving you a better tank. I am not cap stable with 3 Hardeners, but my cap will last an hour, so it isn't difficult to manage. Originally by: Fish Bulb
Remember to always use Kinetic Missiles (Scourge variant)because the Drake gives you a 5% damage increase on kinetic damage per BC skill level.
With BC 4 you get a 20% Kinetic bonus. If your target has 80% kinetic resists and 20% thermal resists you are better off with thermal damage. Just because you get a bonus in Kinetic doesn't mean that's the only damage you should use. Lee |
Morgan La'Chance
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc. |
Posted - 2009.01.13 10:31:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Tanith YarnDemon
Originally by: Aaronm100
Never paid!? The way i'm going i think i'll be still paying for about another year before i can afford a raven and pay with my ISK.
As a quick word of advice, the Drake is MUCH more skillintensive than a Raven for simple basic missionrunning.
No it's not. |
Innui |
Posted - 2009.01.13 10:54:00 - [ 29]
[Drake, New Setup 1]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Core Defence Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x5
Using this on my alt for heavy lvl 4's so I can fit my CNR for gank, tanks over 1100 dps for guristas, fitting 2x2 specific hardeners would net about 1400 dps tankable but it's not cap stable (at least not on this scrub alt :p). I use passives because it works but more hardeners are required for the toughest missions I find.
I tend not to aggro a whole room for the sake of it anyway, doing WC lvl 4 or enemies abound 5/5 has been np, even if it's a mission where some of the rats lock onto my cnr I can usually kill things off quickly enough to bring the dps down.
I like the drake but it's got poor dps no matter what for lvl 4's tbh, it's ok for taking out BC's and the weaker BS's
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Psiri |
Posted - 2009.01.13 11:14:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: Morgan La'Chance
Originally by: Tanith YarnDemon
As a quick word of advice, the Drake is MUCH more skillintensive than a Raven for simple basic missionrunning.
No it's not.
I would agree with that a Drake is more skill intensive than a Raven if you wish to be able to do level IV's, but that's not really what Tanith was saying... |
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